Why most doctors frown on natural medicine?
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Every night I take a natural-ingredients pill consisting of melatonin, valerian and tryptophan.. Works wonderfully. 
Nothing could be further from the truth. There are many things that traditional docs prescribe that are a complete misfire for the person in question's current ailments. Further, not only are they ineffective but many times they actually do far more damage than good. Medication is so overused and so incredibly unnecessary in millions of different cases. If people looked at diet, exercise and natural supplements, if they really educated themselves and gave themselves an opportunity to heal properly long term they would absolutely be able to turn things around minus the prescribed poison.
Case in point: I use to suffer from severe menstrual pain. I was taking up pain killers and I was still horribly ill. After a lot of research i found detoxified iodine, it got rid of instantly. It had absolutely noting to do with placebo at all, I had no prior expectations like i did with the medication which failed completely. I also use a natural cortisol manager to deal with anxiety attacks, which physiologically has notably turned things around. If only those two things were as easy to get rid of using the placebo affect, but that wasn't what was going on in the solution at all.
Quality natural supplements along side excellent diet and daily exercise work genuinely and don't have the same disastrous affects as traditional medication. They are of no interest and rejected by MD's because not only wouldn't it suit them financially (the agenda of big pharma industries) but they'd soon be out of practice if people took responsibility for their own health and led an earnest educated effort to live as long and as healthy as possible.
Michael Jackson spent a good part if not all of his adult life on medication and didn't see the other side of 50. I listened to Robin Williams in a performance talk about the plethora of medication he was on and it was scary, shortly after, he was gone. That's no placebo at all. "oh well if i think these work, they will". Medication is poison and while it 'may' help in assisting a symptom, it never treats the cause and has long term many other negative consequences that nature does not.
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Been still thinking abt this thread recently. I think its not so much not trusting med or science, for ive learned science is simply an approximation of truth.... and not always right. No matter how many expts. people do, some are bound to contradict other findings because lab controlled expts cannot duplicate how things really are. The egyptians, the chinese, and many other cultures did not conduct expts as modern medicine does, but how many people were healed thru their traditional herbal cures. We can never tell, but many of these people, and Indians of course too, were cured using natural medicine.
Some doctors are wonderful; others are not. One in the latter group wanted to insert 12 pedicle screws in my wife's backbone, to cure once and for all her severe backpain. He was very talkative, full of flowery language, and my wife was decided to undergo the surgery. She was very impressed with his big words and I told her: "You need a doctor - not a Portuguese teacher."
I begged my wife:"Give yourself one last chance - let's hear one more opinion." After a long search in the Internet I found another physician. In his clinic this doctor, with a hick accent, told my wife: "I have many patients who came to me after unsuccessful surgeries involving pedicle screws. All you need is to follow this list of exercices; you can do them in your own home."
Thank God, and the latter doctor, my wife escaped the surgery. It's more than 10 years now that she is walking normally and without pain.
I begged my wife:"Give yourself one last chance - let's hear one more opinion." After a long search in the Internet I found another physician. In his clinic this doctor, with a hick accent, told my wife: "I have many patients who came to me after unsuccessful surgeries involving pedicle screws. All you need is to follow this list of exercices; you can do them in your own home."
Thank God, and the latter doctor, my wife escaped the surgery. It's more than 10 years now that she is walking normally and without pain.
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1LonelyKnight
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An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Understanding diseases and their causes is the basis of prevention:
Etiology
Epidemiology
Pathology
Big words that simply reveal the cause and progression of diseases. Will leave it to the interested student to ask or pursue.
Some religions / belief systems have dietary and lifestyle precepts and principles and practices - does yours? These princpiles have been shown in significant studies to have great merit. The fact is, today we know the causes of most diseases; heart disease, cancers, diabetes etc. and we know lifestyle (e.g. stress, lack of exercise) and diet (e.g. salt, fat, sugar, excesses in red meats) are large contributors. External factors such as pollution and additive carcinogens are more of a societal than personal issue. Still, the food and beverage, confection, tobacco and alcohol industries on the one hand well us a poison, while the insurance, pharmaceutical, medical and government industries sell us an antidote - both laugh all the way to the bank. Sell and tax the soda, beer, tobacco, salty and sugary snacks, fatty and chemical laced foods, etc. then sell the meds to counter-act.
Jesus tells us some demons are only driven out by meditative/contemplative and petitionary prayer AND fasting. Do you fast, detox? It can do wonders for mind, mindset and body.
For further research study the biblical word PHARMAKEIA
Understanding diseases and their causes is the basis of prevention:
Etiology
Epidemiology
Pathology
Big words that simply reveal the cause and progression of diseases. Will leave it to the interested student to ask or pursue.
Some religions / belief systems have dietary and lifestyle precepts and principles and practices - does yours? These princpiles have been shown in significant studies to have great merit. The fact is, today we know the causes of most diseases; heart disease, cancers, diabetes etc. and we know lifestyle (e.g. stress, lack of exercise) and diet (e.g. salt, fat, sugar, excesses in red meats) are large contributors. External factors such as pollution and additive carcinogens are more of a societal than personal issue. Still, the food and beverage, confection, tobacco and alcohol industries on the one hand well us a poison, while the insurance, pharmaceutical, medical and government industries sell us an antidote - both laugh all the way to the bank. Sell and tax the soda, beer, tobacco, salty and sugary snacks, fatty and chemical laced foods, etc. then sell the meds to counter-act.
Jesus tells us some demons are only driven out by meditative/contemplative and petitionary prayer AND fasting. Do you fast, detox? It can do wonders for mind, mindset and body.
For further research study the biblical word PHARMAKEIA
Thanks, 1LK...Why is it when i only intend to point to a link, the touchscreen responds to another i didnt intend to open. Anyway, here is where i got to even when i havent read it.
Dietary supplements news, articles and information:
The first title on Ignorant or Evil? i think will get me reading more later...
Meanwhile i was in the moringa blogspot and thinking along these lines:
Mainstream media reports are, by and large, outrageously ignorant about nutrition, isolated nutrients, whole foods, the games Big Pharma plays, the corruption of scientific journals and so on.
Moringa Oleifera (Malunggay) Philippines
Dietary supplements news, articles and information:
The first title on Ignorant or Evil? i think will get me reading more later...
Meanwhile i was in the moringa blogspot and thinking along these lines:
Mainstream media reports are, by and large, outrageously ignorant about nutrition, isolated nutrients, whole foods, the games Big Pharma plays, the corruption of scientific journals and so on.
Moringa Oleifera (Malunggay) Philippines
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Excellent post. Anyone who says herbs don't work is seriously misinformed. I am begginning to think some people on here who have claimed they have gone all out 100 percent with diet and have seen little or no results have a very different definition then me of what a good healing diet is. I have seen it so often, the physiological impact of the brainwashing of the medical establishment on the general public. Also some people, subconscienciously, want to be sick, because they like being victims, they like the attention, they like having responsibility taken out of their hands.
Laura, I wouldn't put all MDs in the same bucket. //Quote: Quality natural supplements along side excellent diet and daily exercise work genuinely and don't have the same disastrous affects as traditional medication. They are of no interest and rejected by MD's because not only wouldn't it suit them financially (the agenda of big pharma industries) but they'd soon be out of practice if people took responsibility for their own health and led an earnest educated effort to live as long and as healthy as possible. end quote// There are many integrated MDs out there who have had it with using just pharmaceuticals because they found that they couldn't cure much of anything.(There are exceptions) These doctors studied alternatives on their own after college and are now curing diseases, but are not allowed to say so because the FDA says that only drugs can cure a disease and drugs have to be tested and OK'd by them before they can be legally used. Doctors say that the alternative treatment may help the problem, but may get into trouble telling a patient that the treatment will cure the problem.
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1LonelyKnight
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A recently developed strand in the sociology of science has deconstructed this positivist conception of scientific knowledge and shown how scientific knowledge is socially negotiated and inevitably linked to the values and interests of relevant actors, both scientists and nonscientists.
Published in Sociological Quarterly, Vol. 30, No. 1, 1989, pp. 59-76 .
Published in Sociological Quarterly, Vol. 30, No. 1, 1989, pp. 59-76 .
In plain English, does that mean that it is thought to be right by those who believe what they believe? If that is the case, then what people and scientists experience dictates what they believe, which everybody knows already. Sounds like Einstein's Theory of Relativity, everyone knew it, but it was not put into scientific words.
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Miri
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wwjd,
more than one neurologist has told me that IF I didn't have a particular 'operation', that I would
very likely become paralyzed in a short amount of time,,,can you imagine this? can you go there?
I am an athelete, and equestrian, was a total out-door-fanatic, always enjoying the physical world's
activities as much as I was able from a very young age...
my husband got suspicious, because it was a 100thou.$plus operation - so, we did some RESEARCH,
(out-side of the box) in order to find out the success rate, which was NEVER MENTIONED in our 'conferences'...
and we found out that 10% got better and 10% stayed the same, and 80% got WORSE,
with the OPERATION...
the Lord was speaking to us through this whole ordeal from the beginning, and told us that,
(this is incredibly BAD odds), to have your neck split open and your spine manipulated and bound
with either, (titanium or a cadavers left-overs)...duh...
there really was no choice, because my husband and I have been living-by-faith for many, many,
years, and we came to realize in a short amount of time that this was indeed just another TEST,
of our FAITH....
we are NOT 'anti' medical on a practical basis, but we are of the FAITH first, and therefore,
we listen, live, and totally rely on the Faith that we have been given...
we have NOT been let down yet, and we know that we never will be, for our will is
becoming more and more meshed with our Holy Father's will in all things and we have come
to realize over these many years, that with each TEST -
we will become stronger and stronger and will come to rest totally in His Will and Peace...
this journey has not been an easy one, but it has been a Spirit-led-one from the very beginning...
Hallulah someone who makes sense on both sides of the debate. Lol
Modern medicine is a gift from God, I'm sure that all down the centuries where people
have been dying of simple infections due to lack of antibiotics, tetanus, measles,
cholerao etc that God has been rooting for mankind to find cures.
Im sure that also many cures can be found around us in Gods Kingdom, indeed modern
medicine has its roots in herb and plants.
Im sure God would not want anyone to die early from refusing a medication or treatment
which would cure them whether it was natural or synthetic.
More than any of the above I'm sure God wants to give us wisdom and discernment to know
what is best for us. Sometimes surgery/medicine is best, other times it isn't, but not many
seek God's wisdom when they are ill. They either go straight to the doctor or straight to
the herbalist but leave God out of the picture completely.
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Miri
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Not sure about all doctors but the ones I know of, all push the benefits of a healthy
diet and weight loss, exercise etc.
If you go to our doctors with things like diatebeties, high cholostral or other weight/life style related
problems. One of the things they do is refer you to a nutritionist. Our GP surgery (doctors office)
also has weight management sessions which you can sign up for.
Plus people other 40 can have preventative health checks where they check you blood pressure,
sugar levels, weight, heart etc. This is to catch any problems early and give lifestyle advice etc.
They also run stop smoking sessions, and well baby clinics and other preventative sessions.
The NHS is as much about preventing illness as treating it. It's just that many people don't take the
free professional advice given.
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1LonelyKnight
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Actually even deeper as it pertains to "the interests of the actors both scientific and non-scientific". That means IN SPITE of what they know, outcomes are driven by desires, not science. A denial of etiology, epidemiology and pathology. Bad science, good economics. A simplistic example might be ignoring that sugary drinks, sugary snacks and sedentary lifestyle are root causes of diabetes. The "doctor" (let's not honor them with 'Physic-ian') focuses on diabetes management, meds, technologies - and the politician focuses on soda tax and the bottled beverage and confectionery industry economics.
oldthennew, I have had good luck with spinal decompression. Another possibility, alternative wise, is Prolozone therapy. It is also called Ozolotherapy and is an improvement over prolotherapy. Dr. Frank Shallenberger MD might have information on Prolozone therapy on his website.
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