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But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the Law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code
Okay, this is a good place to show what I mean, if you will read this. You are quoting Romans 7:6, but you have no idea what it means. All you see is one snippet, "released from the law", but you are not reading in context. Romans 7 will blow your mind when you find out what Shaul is really talking about.
Okay, this is a good place to show what I mean, if you will read this. You are quoting Romans 7:6, but you have no idea what it means. All you see is one snippet, "released from the law", but you are not reading in context. Romans 7 will blow your mind when you find out what Shaul is really talking about.
Sir, I can assure that I know what Paul is speaking about in Romans, which is the same thing that he speaks about in his letter to the Galatians which many still don't get, that being that we are not under the law. We cannot obtain salvation by our own efforts. The law that he is speaking about is the entire law of Moses which could save no one. Not because there was anything wrong with the law, but because of our sinful nature we were unable to meet its righteous requirements. We are saved by grace through faith apart from the law. It is a free gift. Salvation is not a reward for the good works that we do or have done.
ok, read this. Read verse 7:1. He is speaking to people that know the law. Now, read 7:2. He is speaking about one specific law, the law of marriage. (or in the KJV, the law of her husband). This is much deeper than you think. You see, God divorced the northern kingdom of Israel. Later, God says that He is going to take Israel back. (pssst, this is what that whole marriage supper of the Lamb is about). But wait, we have a problem. By His own law, a man can't take a wife back once he has divorced her. This is when Yeshua's death becomes so important. You see, once Yeshua died, it released the wife from the law of marriage. Yeshua is raised on the third day, and now is able to legally take back His bride. It is really an awesome story of God's love for us. I doubt you will search this out, but this is what Romans 7 is about.
This is all about being released from the law and that the Christian is not under the law but under grace. Romans 6:14.
Isn't it strange while Paul was talking about being crucified with Christ and that our old man is dead - Romans 6:6 and then all of a sudden he talks in chapter 7 about marriage?
Romans 7:1-6 is talking about after dying the woman is released from her first husband to marry another without being called an adulterous. We too have died with Christ on the Christ and so we are free to be married to another.
We are married to Christ now and are free from the law and going back to the law is committing spiritual adultery on our Lord.
Isn't it strange while Paul was talking about being crucified with Christ and that our old man is dead - Romans 6:6 and then all of a sudden he talks in chapter 7 about marriage?
Romans 7:1-6 is talking about after dying the woman is released from her first husband to marry another without being called an adulterous. We too have died with Christ on the Christ and so we are free to be married to another.
We are married to Christ now and are free from the law and going back to the law is committing spiritual adultery on our Lord.
As I have said throughout this post, we are not under the law for salvation. But with that said, of the commandments that are applicable to us, which ones do you want to be free to break? It doesn't make sense. God's law is perfect. It is our flesh that is weak. Which commandments do you want to throw out? This is why we fell for it when the adversary offers us Easter, Christmas, Sunday worship, pork,.. Can't you see. He wants you to disobey and think you are serving God by doing so. It is a lie.
Personally, I don't celebrate any of those, but I do eat pork and that with God's blessing. For as Paul stated:
"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer."
According to the scripture, it is the teaching to abstain from eating certain foods that comes from demons. Paul also said something else regarding the law of Moses:
"Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.."
In other words, don't let those who remain under the law of Moses give you a hard time about doing work on the Sabbath or not keeping feast or eating food that is forbidden by the law or for not keeping holy days. For those things were only a shadow of the things to come. Still think that we who are in Christ are still under the law of Moses?
The Claim:
"But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.”
The Answer:
"The apostles and the elders came together to look into this matter. After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. “And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. “Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? “But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.”
In the scripture above, those of the sect of the Pharisees would be referring to circumcision and obeying the whole law of Moses. When Peter spoke of the Gentiles, he was referring to Cornelius and his whole household. While Peter was still speaking, the Spirit fell upon them and they all spoke in languages and prophesied and that without being under the law, nor by the promise of circumcision and before being baptized. Why? Because God cleansed their hearts by their faith, by what they believed.
"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer."
According to the scripture, it is the teaching to abstain from eating certain foods that comes from demons. Paul also said something else regarding the law of Moses:
"Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.."
In other words, don't let those who remain under the law of Moses give you a hard time about doing work on the Sabbath or not keeping feast or eating food that is forbidden by the law or for not keeping holy days. For those things were only a shadow of the things to come. Still think that we who are in Christ are still under the law of Moses?
The Claim:
"But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.”
The Answer:
"The apostles and the elders came together to look into this matter. After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. “And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. “Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? “But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.”
In the scripture above, those of the sect of the Pharisees would be referring to circumcision and obeying the whole law of Moses. When Peter spoke of the Gentiles, he was referring to Cornelius and his whole household. While Peter was still speaking, the Spirit fell upon them and they all spoke in languages and prophesied and that without being under the law, nor by the promise of circumcision and before being baptized. Why? Because God cleansed their hearts by their faith, by what they believed.
"by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer."
ok friend, read really slowly, "because it is consecrated by the word of God". Hello. Do you know what that means? The Word of God tells us what is okay to eat and what is NOT food. You said you eat pork "with God's blessing". You have to be careful with statements like that. God never blessed pork to be eaten. That will make you a false prophet for saying God blessed something when He clearly did not. Please be careful with that. God says eating pork is an abomination. He did not change his mind. Come away from the lies of the adversary.
ok friend, read really slowly, "because it is consecrated by the word of God". Hello. Do you know what that means? The Word of God tells us what is okay to eat and what is NOT food. You said you eat pork "with God's blessing". You have to be careful with statements like that. God never blessed pork to be eaten. That will make you a false prophet for saying God blessed something when He clearly did not. Please be careful with that. God says eating pork is an abomination. He did not change his mind. Come away from the lies of the adversary.
Your missing the point man! The point is that Paul is talking about those who were still clinging to the law. ALL food, including the foods that were listed under the law that were not to be eaten are not to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving. Your teaching would bring people back under the works of the law. Believers in Christ are free to eat whatever food they like, as long as their conscience is in agreement. But to teach to abstain from eating the foods that were forbidden under the law, would be attempting to please God by ones own efforts, that is, to take credit for doing those things. The only thing that should be counting on for salvation is what Jesus accomplished and nothing of our efforts. Should we do good works, Yes! But not to obtain or maintain salvation, but to glorify God and by those works we are building up our treasures in heaven. You go before the Lord with the attitude of "Lord look what I did" as a means to obtain salvation and you will be turned away.
"God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. "
The things that we have done would be abstaining from the foods that the law forbids, the keeping of the Sabbath as a work to enter into eternal life, keeping holy days, feasts, etc., etc.. You would be doing those things as a means for earning salvation, period. As I demonstrated earlier, Cornelius household received the Spirit while Peter was still speaking and that without being circumcised, promising to keep the law, being baptized or anything else and because God cleansed their hearts through faith apart from the works of the law.
I claim nothing but Christ crucified! He is the One who provided salvation for me and I am not going to attempt to perform works for eternal life which the Lord has already provided by the shedding of His blood. I guarantee you, if you go before the Lord with your works, you will never enter into the kingdom of God.
"God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. "
The things that we have done would be abstaining from the foods that the law forbids, the keeping of the Sabbath as a work to enter into eternal life, keeping holy days, feasts, etc., etc.. You would be doing those things as a means for earning salvation, period. As I demonstrated earlier, Cornelius household received the Spirit while Peter was still speaking and that without being circumcised, promising to keep the law, being baptized or anything else and because God cleansed their hearts through faith apart from the works of the law.
I claim nothing but Christ crucified! He is the One who provided salvation for me and I am not going to attempt to perform works for eternal life which the Lord has already provided by the shedding of His blood. I guarantee you, if you go before the Lord with your works, you will never enter into the kingdom of God.
I did miss the point for years. Pig is not food. Pig is a scavenger to clean up trash. You are not reading the verses. You are just picking out what you want it to say. And the Sabbath is such a blessing that He gave us. Just pray about it. Try it out. Ask God if you should rest on the Sabbath. I can tell you, it is an amazing part of our life. Oh what a blessing it is, to hang up all the confusion, and just obey God. My salvation comes from Yeshua and I study to learn how we should walk daily. We do this by obeying His clear instructions.
You're still missing the point! I am blessed by God because I am giving thanks for whatever food I am eating, including pork any other food that God created. You're stuck on the your own efforts and it will kill you! You'd think that if the abstaining from the foods mentioned in the law was an issue for salvation that it would be listed in the letters to the seven churches, but not one peep from the Lord. Do you also keep the Sabbath on a certain day as a requirement for salvation? If you continue as you are--and I pray to God that you don't--you will have wandered away from grace. When you bring any other requirement along side of the Lord's sacrifice for salvation, you are basically saying that His sacrifice was insufficient, otherwise, you would not be trusting in anything else for salvation. The eating of pork was an abomination under the law of Moses, not for those who are in Christ who are not under the law, but under grace, which is something that you are currently blind to.
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16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Gal 2
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Gal 2
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10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
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11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
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Galatians is an awesome book. We can be justified by faith in Messiah. I agree with all Scripture when taken in proper context. When we need to be careful is when "believers" thinks the process ends there. It does not end there. We want to walk out a life that is pleasing to God. >> Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 3:31 (KJV)
Romans 3:31 (KJV)