Reproving the world of sin

[FreeNChrist]

Give it a rest, will ya? Can you put a muzzle on it for just one day?

Apparently not. You don't like it kept real?? Understandable. LOL.

 

[Magenta]

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

You can see all throughout scripture how the Lord would put His words and Spirit in His anointed, by which He would reprove, rebuke, and even slay with the words of His mouth by the ministry of the prophets.

Hosea 6:5 “Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth.”

To make a fire first you must hew down some fire wood….


Matthew 3:10 “And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.”


Slain by the fiery words of the Lords mouth by the prophets…


Jeremiah 5:14 “Wherefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.”


Revelation 11:5 “And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.”


Psalm 104:4 “Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:


Deuteronomy 4:24 “For the Lord thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.”


Hebrews 12:29 “For our God is a consuming fire.”


The tares are bound first…..


Matthew 13:30 “Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.”


Psalm 149:5-9 “Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.[SUP]6 [/SUP]Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand;

[SUP]7 [/SUP]To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;[SUP]8 [/SUP]To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;[SUP]9 [/SUP]To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the Lord.”


Isaiah 10:16-23 “Therefore shall the Lord, the Lord of hosts, send among his fat ones leanness; and under his glory he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth.[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them.”



Isaiah 24:6 “Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.


Psalm 2:12 “Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”


Luke 12:49 “I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

Wow, thanks ISIT, that was good actually!

The first two struck something with me, although I have read them many times before and have incorporated one of the into something similar together were great in that thanks

Our God is so great, his words are just awesome too!

 

[Utah]

I am talking about your ranting and about quoting what you are going on about in respects to your witness against others.

Not about Jesus, or His words, I wouldnt even expect you to quote Jesus anyway, you rarely if ever quote Jesus.

I am talking about your rantings and to support your goings on with words from those you see as some sort of enemy of Jesus or yourself (or whatever you are going on about).

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[Utah]

I was thinking about all these sinless, perfect people in this thread who rejoice in their self righteousness. Between all of them, not one bad word, not one impure thought, not one unjust criticism, not one unprovoked moment of anger, not one mile per hour over the speed limit -- ever, and always sharing with the world the fruit of the Spirit in a non-sanctimonious manner. Wow!

No replies from any of our sinless perfectionists regarding the above post.

Hmmm, interesting . . .

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Pot, meet kettle.

I am speaking about you quoting others (in the above) not Jesus, or rather quote others in your rantings (and witness against them) in it whereas you took as me asking for Jesus words. What I was saying (even defining) is of that concerning your rantings, please provide the quotes of others concerning your rantings in your witness against others.

It has nothing to do with Pot, meet kettle as if I am not defining what I am asking for it has everything to do with going on and on without providing anything but your own vomit on others.

 

[Utah]

I am speaking about you quoting others (in the above) not Jesus, or rather quote others in your rantings (and witness against them) in it whereas you took as me asking for Jesus words. What I was saying (even defining) is of that concerning your rantings, please provide the quotes of others concerning your rantings in your witness against others.

It has nothing to do with Pot, meet kettle as if I am not defining what I am asking for it has everything to do with going on and on without providing anything but your own vomit on others.

You claim to be a sinless perfectionist and you look down your nose at sinners who understand their shortfalls and need for God's grace. Your own words and self righteous attitude condemn you. And you better believe I'll always rant against such heretics as long as I have a heartbeat.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

The following response that made no sense (You said, "I will quote Jesus all you want"?) I didnt ask for Jesus quotes I was asking for quotes on your rantings throughout this thread,

I was speaking of you quoting others on all you are rantings on on others because I cant answer according to your own witness (which has been rather nasty throughout the thread) I would prefer to see what it is you are railing at

Then again you answer this way "Pot kettle" (which is just weird for what I am asking you for)

And to that you answer more of the same

You claim to be a sinless perfectionist and you look down your nose at sinners who understand their shortfalls and need for God's grace. Your own words and self righteous attitude condemn you. And you better believe I'll always rant against such heretics as long as I have a heartbeat.

I would like to see my claim, and I refer you to the top post again, because I had ask for quotes for these things you ranting about.

I hope that is clearer for you, just provide these thanks

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The following response that made no sense (You said, "I will quote Jesus all you want"?) I didnt ask for Jesus quotes I was asking for quotes on your rantings throughout this thread,

I was speaking of you quoting others on all you are rantings on on others because I cant answer according to your own witness (which has been rather nasty throughout the thread) I would prefer to see what it is you are railing at

Then again you answer this way "Pot kettle" (which is just weird for what I am asking you for)

And to that you answer more of the same



I would like to see my claim, and I refer you to the top post again, because I had ask for quotes for these things you ranting about.

I hope that is clearer for you, just provide these thanks

Again it is nothing more than false accusations, rantings and railings against those who speak out against ongoing sinful behavior, and preach an obedient walk of faith. They claim "we" say this, or claim "we" say that, but yet provide no proof to support their constant false accusations. It is prophecy being fulfilled before our very eyes.....

2 Timothy 3:1-3

3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

 

[gb9]

you mention false accusations. how about false claims?? like saying you are sinless. that is 100% false, if you use the Biblical standard for sin. or even the Sermon on the Mount. can anyone truthfully say that they live up to that without fail every hour of every day.
while it is ( or should be ) our goal not to sin, sometimes we fall short of that goal. you also. no matter how much you try to say otherwise.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

You claim to be a sinless perfectionist and you look down your nose at sinners who understand their shortfalls and need for God's grace. Your own words and self righteous attitude condemn you. And you better believe I'll always rant against such heretics as long as I have a heartbeat.

Let me help you while you search I can broaden it for you

Me under ISeeYou

I dont see the word sinless in scripture, I dont use that word I use only the words in there, theres no reason not to use them it adresses having sin, and saying you are without sin, and I chose those.

Paul says walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfil the lusts of the flesh.

I dont see why sin would have dominion over those under grace, Paul says sin would not, so I believe its possible to cease from sinning.

Me again under ISeeYou

I dont see the word sinless in scripture, I see he that says he hath no sin, he that be without sin, and who cannot sin, he that commiteth a sin, ceasing from sin, and likely another I couldnt recall from the top of my head.

All of them are true, most just pit them against the other and make the messenger for the scripture verse answerable to themselves, and then throw stones at that person.

Me under ISeeYou

Yeah no one was misrepresenting Johns espitle, I was pulling each text out purposely to show exactly where the verses are pitted against are.

Commit, practice, carry out or perform, dont see the difference, it speaks of those who cannot cease from sin, so you could say, they continue to sin as well, its all word games here

I already stated it was grace, sin cannot have dominion over you under grace

And you are accusing of things I never said, which is why you can only take a quarter of a sentence try to make it like I said all you put onto it.


I have no respect for doing that,

Me under DesiredHaven

Peace Tribesman, thanks, I was one of those who lost some of my responses

But in short, I was just referring to how an apostle pointed out the perfect man not men.

And I do not see words such as "sinlessly perfect" even used in scripture that way.

Those two words placed together like that is something men typically do, like create a couple of words and then just say he doesnt say these exact words which I always thought was kind of strange.

Like if I said to you, where are the words perfectly godly? Or perfectly holy?

I mean what would even see the point of that?

And maybe that wasnt the best example of what I mean.

Me under DesiredHaven

That would be Satan to whom the LORD said,

Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

God could say that of Job. But Job seem to understand that if he said that (that I am perfect) of himself it would prove him perverse

Job 9:20 If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.


Every post posted on sin, will include inside of it somewhere the temptation to answer for words not your own. Meaning they hate the words and shoot the messenger (everytime).

But its "as if" someone can prove that the messenger of the words sins that this will somehow immediately void those words or something, I dont get that, but you see that everytime this comes up. So its an easily reccognizable pattern.

Paul shows you can preach to others the truth of the doctrine (and gain the world) but lose ones soul and be a castaway not bring your own self under.

So being able to nail the messenger (on whether he continually practices sin or not) doesnt make the verses void simply because he does.

Folks do that.

And just before I left this forum

Me under DesiredHaven

You cant know anything I am even accused of believing things through your side of things that I have never ever professed, which are lies, I just never answered to them when accused of the same, and watched how these things spread throughout the forums (where someone could easiliy quoted if true. I watched the biggest perpetuators of those same lies and all the persons who would jump on board with them willing to believe a lie and run off to repeat the lie in agreement with those who bear false witness about others) and do so without ever quoting words from me on those very things. And just to see how a flock of vultures sets itself up to swoop down on someone as their prey and to see how bad it could get (as they flap their lips on every thread) while I say nothing but at some point in time to ask them (finally) to go fetch all these accusations (out of my own lips) and not out of someone elses.

Now under PilgrimPassingThru

Where is the word sinless?

Sinless as in what "without sin" in your members or as one having sinned (in a past tense sense) but still has sin in their members (in the present tense) but not continuing to sin (under grace) which has given them the dominion over the same, that they obey it not in the lusts thereof.

Or just as pure as the driven snow, never having (sinned, past tense) has no sin (within ones members, present tense) and does not continue to sin (whether wilfully, or otherwise) whether by doing evil, or whether by not doing the good they know to do (and does it not).

How is sinless defined in either the scripture or by some "heretics for dummies" book?

You will still find me questioning the same thing like here

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/136044-grace-through-faith-law-dont-mix-8.html#post2615531

And interrogations, I posted this and you see the same things (time and again)

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/136540-eternal-security-conditional-unconditional-5.html#post2630806

And there are more where those come from, keywords searches on google yield better and faster results then the forums search button.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

you mention false accusations. how about false claims?? like saying you are sinless.

So show us then the thread and post number where I said what you claim? If you guys cannot provide any proof of what you accuse us of saying then you are just making more false claims and false accusations. We will be waiting for the thread and post #

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Again it is nothing more than false accusations, rantings and railings against those who speak out against ongoing sinful behavior, and preach an obedient walk of faith. They claim "we" say this, or claim "we" say that, but yet provide no proof to support their constant false accusations. It is prophecy being fulfilled before our very eyes.....

2 Timothy 3:1-3

3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

And thats fine if any want to feel specially grace by God to do so, but its nice to ask for the umpteenth time where these things are, I mean its not like I can run back and change our posts, so why not search engine it and bring these things forward. It took me 25 minutes to pull a handful of them up. I save most of my study posts but I dont save much of the back and forth on these things until I see trouble starting to brew and I will most likely be called to defend something then I take a snaggit of the whole thing and store it online before it disapears and folks tell me how lucky "I am" that it did, but when you pull it up its all them railing on something not said but injected and falsely accusing. Im not responsible for what someone else understands but what I said. I was studying this sort of thing and it got just so nasty and unedifying I left off of it for a bit.

Good words anyway, I always appreciate your posts because I prefer the words of God over someone having emotional diarrhea on every thread, it ruins everything, the bitter spirit running through it verbally abusing folks.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Originally Posted by DesiredHaven

You cant know anything I am even accused of believing things through your side of things that I have never ever professed, which are lies, I just never answered to them when accused of the same, and watched how these things spread throughout the forums (where someone could easiliy quoted if true. I watched the biggest perpetuators of those same lies and all the persons who would jump on board with them willing to believe a lie and run off to repeat the lie in agreement with those who bear false witness about others) and do so without ever quoting words from me on those very things. And just to see how a flock of vultures sets itself up to swoop down on someone as their prey and to see how bad it could get (as they flap their lips on every thread) while I say nothing but at some point in time to ask them (finally) to go fetch all these accusations (out of my own lips) and not out of someone elses.

Amen, they never provide any proof, it is just more lies and false accusations. What spirit do you think that is of?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

And thats fine if any want to feel specially grace by God to do so, but its nice to ask for the umpteenth time where these things are, I mean its not like I can run back and change our posts, so why not search engine it and bring these things forward. It took me 25 minutes to pull a handful of them up. I save most of my study posts but I dont save much of the back and forth on these things until I see trouble starting to brew and I will most likely be called to defend something then I take a snaggit of the whole thing and store it online before it disapears and folks tell me how lucky "I am" that it did, but when you pull it up its all them railing on something not said but injected and falsely accusing. Im not responsible for what someone else understands but what I said. I was studying this sort of thing and it got just so nasty and unedifying I left off of it for a bit.

Good words anyway, I always appreciate your posts because I prefer the words of God over someone having emotional diarrhea on every thread, it ruins everything, the bitter spirit running through it verbally abusing folks.

It is a wicked and hateful spirit if you ask me.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Amen, they never provide any proof, it is just more lies and false accusations. What spirit do you think that is of?

Is meanie one?

(Oops forgot my S)

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

It is a wicked and hateful spirit if you ask me.

Yeah, that or meanie, sure

 

[Magenta]

You cant know anything, given I am even accused of believing things through your side of things that I have never ever professed, which are lies, I just never answered to them when accused of the same, and watched how these things spread throughout the forums (where someone could be easiliy quoted if true. I watched the biggest perpetuators of those same lies and all the persons who would jump on board with them willing to believe a lie and run off to repeat the lie in agreement with those who bear false witness about others) and do so without ever quoting words from me on those very things. And just to see how a flock of vultures sets itself up to swoop down on someone as their prey and to see how bad it could get (as they flap their lips on every thread) while I say nothing but at some point in time to ask them (finally) to go fetch all these accusations (out of my own lips) and not out of someone elses.

I am very sorry that you have been subjected to such. I wonder how many are treated the same way by the same people. I know I have been falsely accused by someone whom I witness repeatedly falsely accusing others here, and that person has been called on their behavior on a number of occasions, but will claim they have never changed since they came to this forum, so it becomes apparent that even with their glaring faults pointed out to them by a number of people, they see no need to change, and actually revel in the fact that they see their self as faultless. Which really is rather ironic. Jesus came to cure the blind but the scales are very thick in places. Lord I pray that we allow You to do Your work in us, that we may see ourselves and others clearly, and not misrepresent on any front, amen.

 

[gb9]

So show us then the thread and post number where I said what you claim? If you guys cannot provide any proof of what you accuse us of saying then you are just making more false claims and false accusations. We will be waiting for the thread and post #

I do not remember the exact thread, it was a long one, about 2 weeks ago. you said that you do not sin, sometimes for days.

but, this can settled quickly. I'll go first- I am not sinless and perfect. you say the same, we shake hands, part ways, I leave your threads alone. seriously. I mean it.

but, no buts. one statement. what say you?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I do not remember the exact thread, it was a long one, about 2 weeks ago.

That is just what I expected, excuses for not providing any proof. Think that kind of lack of any evidence, just heresay, would hold up in a court of law? From now on, before you bring any false accusations, bring some proof of what you accuse others of saying, like you proclaiming we say we are "sinless and perfect"; or else you and your buds will be exposed again as a liar and false accuser as you have been today.