My marriage is falling apart

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Tommy379

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I just finished listening to a CD from www.rejoiceministries.org it was done by a woman named Charlyne Steinkamp. I sent away for it from the website, it came in the mail fast. Her husband ran off on her and divorced her. She prayed and stood up for her marriage and ended up reconciling 2 years later. It may help.
 
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Great outlook, well thought through.

Seems to me that Jesus is talking about divorce being allowed because of the hardness of hearts. Notice the word fornication is a different word used in the Greek than adultery later in the same sentence. We know a bill of divorcement is allowed in the law because of the sinful hearts of people would cause uncleanness in a person(which was not so at the beginning of creation). This uncleanness(Crookedness/unfavorableness) could not have been adultery since the sentence for adultery is death. If we look at the word fornication it means idolatry in a figuratively way which is why it is not the same word as adultery later in the sentence. This seems to be the same as what the law of God says. And we know Jesus did not come to change it or preach against it.

Now we must remember this sentence is an translation which would have a bias from the translator of that time and culture. If you ask me then Matthew 19:9 is basically saying this: If a man put away (Divorce) his wife, and it be not because of any (uncleanliness/crookedness/unchastity) in her(not a justified reason) , and (she) then go and marry another, commits adultery, and the man that shall marry her is also committing adultery.

Matthew 19:9

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication(Unchastity RSV version), and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Deuteronomy 24:1

When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. 2And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. 3And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; 4Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD:

In the case of 1 Corinthians 7:10-16 it says let not the wife depart from her husband, but if she (by her own will) depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. If the husband or wife is a believer and the other is not but pleased to dwell with each other then do not apart. But if the unbelieving part depart, let them depart. It seems to imply that if a woman departs she should remain unmarried or return, but if the husband departs from her then she is no longer in such bondage which seems to imply she is free to marry another (which the law also says in Exodus 21:10-11 since he is no longer providing for her which means she is free to go).

Exodus 21:10-11

if he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.11And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.

1 Corinthians 7:10

And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 16For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

This is what I see the law and NT writings is talking about. My understanding is not the end all or be all but this seems to make sense to me.
 

Magenta

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But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully
has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
 
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But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully
has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Look again. The correct(greek) translation is this: Anyone who looks at a wife lustfully(wanting to commit the act of adultery) has already done it with her (sinned) in his heart.
 
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Magenta

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Look again. The correct translation is this: Anyone who looks at a wife lustfully(wanting to commit the act of adultery) has already done it with (sinned) in (his) heart.
Is it a sin to look that way upon your own wife? You make it seem so.
 

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Look again. The correct translation is this: Anyone who looks at a wife lustfully(wanting to commit the act of adultery) has already done it with her (sinned) in his heart.
Are you saying that it is a sin to make love to your wife? Why did you change 'a woman' to wife? That is not what the bible says. Your view on this makes absolutely no sense.
 

Magenta

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No it is not a sin to look that way upon your own wife. You cannot commit adultery with your own wife since she is yours.
And yet the way you read it says different. You also say by what you promote
that lusting after unmarried females is fine and dandy. Do you really think Jesus
Christ meant that? Your position says yes. The other (MY) position says no.
 
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Are you saying that it is a sin to make love to your wife? Why did you change 'a woman' to wife? That is not what the bible says. Your view on this makes absolutely no sense.
I am saying the trans-lie-ators may have written woman, but the in the original greek in which it comes from the word means "Wife".
 

Magenta

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Especially for those that are espousing polygamy. To look upon a wife
with desire is to sin. Gosh. What a messed up position to take.
 
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And yet the way you read it says different. You also say by what you promote
that lusting after unmarried females is fine and dandy. Do you really think Jesus
Christ meant that? Your position says yes. The other (MY) position says no.
There is nothing wrong with having a desire to marry someone if it is done lawfully and according to the bible.
 

Magenta

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There is nothing wrong with having a desire to marry someone if it is done lawfully and according to the bible.
LOL. And now you equate a desire to marry with lust? Like I said: messed up.
 

Magenta

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γυναῖκα

The word is woman. It can mean wife, but not exclusively.
 

Magenta

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I have been with my husband 10 years and this last December I found out he cheated on me, HE kicked me and the kids out of the house and we separated for 2 months we then decided to give it another shot but everything has been horrible since. It gets worse daily. He works out of town and on the weekends he turns of the phone and in the morning acts like I'm crazy and just pretends everything is ok. I'm really devastated when we decided to get back together I really thought he felt remorse and regret for destroying our family but it seems it's actually the opposite. I am so heart broken I don't know what else to do. I pray that God helps me because I can't take much more
I never would have let him kick you and the kids out. He is the one who needs to leave. If he is not sorry for what he has done there does not seem to be much of any point of moving forward with him in your life beyond whatever his involvement with the children may be. I hope you are able to find some comfort and strength in your faith. Do you have a strong support group around you? You will need it.
 
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LOL. And now you equate a desire to marry with lust? Like I said: messed up.
Marriage is done by consummation. Basically if you have sex with someone (Who is not married), you are consummating the marriage. The father of the woman may dis-annul it if it is done without he's knowledge and approval and he utterly refuses it, but the man still has to pay the bride price to the father, which was 50 shekels of silver(todays value: 50 months of payed work).
 

tourist

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Marriage is done by consummation. Basically if you have sex with someone (Who is not married), you are consummating the marriage. The father of the woman may dis-annul it if it is done without he's knowledge and approval and he utterly refuses it, but the man still has to pay the bride price to the father, which was 50 shekels of silver(todays value: 50 months of payed work).
That could get expensive after awhile. A shekel here, a shekel there, and soon you're talking about real money.
 

Magenta

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Marriage is done by consummation. Basically if you have sex with someone (Who is not married), you are consummating the marriage. The father of the woman may dis-annul it if it is done without he's knowledge and approval and he utterly refuses it, but the man still has to pay the bride price to the father, which was 50 shekels of silver(todays value: 50 months of payed work).
You need to join the century the rest of us are living in.
 

Magenta

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No thanks. I will stick to the bible and use the wisdom contained in it for right ruling.
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