Can the Trinity be Biblically proven?
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So quasar, if the Son is not co-equal or co-eternal with His Father then please explain John 5:17,18, "But He/Jesus answered them, My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." Vs18, For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because he not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling GOD HIS OWN FATHER, MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD."
And regarding you statement, "God makes it clear in the OT He is eternal, that there is no other God but He Himself." Ok fine, then explain Micah 5:2, "But as for you , Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, FROM YOU ONE WILL GO FORTH FOR ME TO BE RULER IN ISRAEL; HIS GOINGS FORTH ARE FROM LONG AGO, FROM THE DAYS OF ETERNITY." Who's goings forth are from the days of eternity in this verse quasar? What if I told you that His goings forth have also been in the OT?
You also quoted Isaiah 43:10, but what about vs11? "I, even I, and the Lord, AND THERE IS NO SAVIOR BESIDES ME." If your going to follow strict rules of interpretation then you should take it to its logical conclusion. God says there is no Savior besides Him but yet Luke 2:11 says, "for today in the city of David there HAS BEEN BORN FOR YOU A SAVIOR, WHO IS CHIRST THE LORD."
You then brought up Isaiah 44:6 where it says, "I am the first and the last, And there is no God besides Me." Who is the first and last at Revelation 1:17,18? "And when I say Him, I fell at His feet as a dead man. And He laid His right hand on me, saying, Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, vs18, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades."
Revelation 1:7,8, "Behold He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. Even so, Amen. Now look at vs8, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Who is this quasar? Which person was dead and is alive, the first and the last and the one that is coming? Is it Jesus Christ or God the Father?
It's hard to string a bunch of verses together to prove a point but it's a different story to tie them together or reconcile them so they are in harmony with each other. I'm just trying to help and I'm not trying to make you look foolish. Even at your age you should at least be flexable and keep an open mind, in short no one is to old to learn.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And regarding you statement, "God makes it clear in the OT He is eternal, that there is no other God but He Himself." Ok fine, then explain Micah 5:2, "But as for you , Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, FROM YOU ONE WILL GO FORTH FOR ME TO BE RULER IN ISRAEL; HIS GOINGS FORTH ARE FROM LONG AGO, FROM THE DAYS OF ETERNITY." Who's goings forth are from the days of eternity in this verse quasar? What if I told you that His goings forth have also been in the OT?
You also quoted Isaiah 43:10, but what about vs11? "I, even I, and the Lord, AND THERE IS NO SAVIOR BESIDES ME." If your going to follow strict rules of interpretation then you should take it to its logical conclusion. God says there is no Savior besides Him but yet Luke 2:11 says, "for today in the city of David there HAS BEEN BORN FOR YOU A SAVIOR, WHO IS CHIRST THE LORD."
You then brought up Isaiah 44:6 where it says, "I am the first and the last, And there is no God besides Me." Who is the first and last at Revelation 1:17,18? "And when I say Him, I fell at His feet as a dead man. And He laid His right hand on me, saying, Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, vs18, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades."
Revelation 1:7,8, "Behold He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. Even so, Amen. Now look at vs8, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Who is this quasar? Which person was dead and is alive, the first and the last and the one that is coming? Is it Jesus Christ or God the Father?
It's hard to string a bunch of verses together to prove a point but it's a different story to tie them together or reconcile them so they are in harmony with each other. I'm just trying to help and I'm not trying to make you look foolish. Even at your age you should at least be flexable and keep an open mind, in short no one is to old to learn.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Bumped for quasar. And btw, I have read you post number 4 more than once but yet you still avoid answering direct questions. Remember too, this is not a cake baking contest like you stated to one of the other posters. Please, deal directly with the questions. When tell all of us to read what you posted it's like saying, "You want to know about war, read the book "War and Peace."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Read my post #223 for answers to the questions you think I have not answered. Don't you ever get tired of blowing your horn over the same thing?
Quasar93
Evasive much??
Who's evading what? You have been provided the Biblical description of God and the origin of the pre-incarnate Jesus, directly from the Scriptures in post #223, which breaks the Trinity. The views you hold on the Trinity cannot be proven from the Bible, or from teachings Jesus or His disciples ever made. It is a doctrine that was politically motivated, rather than Biblically. Which is acknowledged by esteemed Trinitarians.
Quasar92
There you go again quasar, still avoiding answering direct questions? And no, I'm not blowing my horn, I'm confronting innovators like you who take the Bible out of context and pass it off as "orthodoxy." Do you even know what the word means quasar? And btw, I'm not the only one around here that has issues with your "errant" theology. So again, address the questions I ask you?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And where may I ask did you obtain your qualifications and authorization to teach the Bible? What I have seen from you on the teachings of the Trinity, is what has been scratched together over 1,600 years, trying to prove what the Bible, Jesus nor His disciples ever taught! Capiche? For the Biblical description of God and origin of the pre-incarnate Jesus, review my post #223. All of which can and is taught from the Bible, Jesus and His disciples. And yes, I am a qualified and authorized teacher of the Bible, which I earned from two Bible Colleges.
Quasar92
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Your desire to hold to the man made Tinitarian views, in spite of being shown by the Scriptures that refute it, is typical of those who fail to recognize Scriptural truth when it is presented to them. Like Jesus said in the Lk.16:19-31 parable of Lazarus and the rich man, even if a man comes back from the dead, he is not believed.
Quasar92