The Gap vs. New Creationism Propaganda

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mcubed

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What is wrong with the gap theory: The Book of Genesis, there was a perfect world to start with described by God as “very good” (Genesis 1:31)—but it was marred because of Adam’s rebellion. Sin and its consequence of death entered the world that was once a paradise (Romans 5:12, 8:20–22; 1 Corinthians 15:21–22).
 
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What is wrong with the gap theory: The Book of Genesis, there was a perfect world to start with described by God as “very good” (Genesis 1:31)—but it was marred because of Adam’s rebellion. Sin and its consequence of death entered the world that was once a paradise (Romans 5:12, 8:20–22; 1 Corinthians 15:21–22).
What you've just described isn't the gap theory but biblical truth. Where's the gap in your post?
 
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Tintin

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the original Title for, 'The Origin of Species', is, 'The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection,
or The Preservation of Favored Races in The Struggle for Life'...

so, the question is: are Luther and Darwin kindred spirits???
Absolutely not. Luther was a biblical creationist. Darwin was an evolutionary storyteller.
 
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So when was it that Satan first rebelled against God then?

It wasn't in the time of Adam and Eve, for he had already fallen and stood as Tempter against Adam and Eve. What leads to understanding about the Gap idea is NOT man's scientific theories. It's led to by what God's Word shows us happened in another time before Adam and Eve when Satan first rebelled against God, for God said He created Satan originally perfect in his ways, and then later Satan drew a third of the angels into rebellion with him. When was that per the Bible chronology?

When you stay in God's Word, that is when and how the Gap idea in Genesis 1 starts to become a clue, not from evolution theory, not from Darwin, not from man's scientific theories at all, but from God's Holy Writ.

Likewise with the scattering of the ten lost tribes of Israel, many refuse to believe that God scattered them to the west where they had a major part in becoming the western Christian nations, yet there's Bible prophecy of what would become of them, like in the Genesis 35 & 48 prophecies about Jacob's seed becoming a "company of nations" and "multitude of nations" that Ephraim was to become. Pointers are in God's Word that don't need man's science to figure out; likewise with the Gap idea.
Sometime between God declaring creation as "very good" and the serpent (Satan) tempting Eve in the garden of Eden.
 
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Any old earth mythology (evolution, gap theory, day-age - whatever) makes use of the evolutionary timeline and puts sin and its consequences eg. suffering and death before the Fall. But that's just not biblical. It was because of Adam's sin against God that all of creation was cursed.
 
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Absolutely not. Luther was a biblical creationist. Darwin was an evolutionary storyteller.[/QUOTE

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Tin,

we were speaking in terms of the portion of the TITLE, (The Preservation of FAVORED RACES) -
and Luther's 'anti-Jewish-slant'...one of Luther's works was 'hitler's handbook'...
 
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Re: The Gap vs. New Creationism Propaganda



Originally Posted by BeyondET

I've never looked into this so called gap theory Thing, though Genesis wasn't written to be a scientific or physics or even a time zone. A day in God realm isn't the same time frame as in man realm, the statement, and there was morning and evening doesn't say there was no light, though a morning and evening can have no light as we understand what we call a full day but it can mean as well there was light present the whole time for there was a morning and evening before our sun was created on the forth day and our sun is how we determine a full 24 hour day.

As far as evolution goes it's simply a word to discribe a theory that is looking in the wrong area like once man thought the world was flat. Give it some time and surely this theory of evolution will evolve.






Man's theory of evolution is completely ANTI-CREATION. There's no hiding that fact.

So why assume the Gap idea has anything to do with evolution???

Many show their ignorance of what the Gap idea is about when they latch onto propagandist's attempt to link it to evolution theory.

As for God's creation account in Genesis, it is NOT just a fictional storytelling. It's about the Truth, and it will always follow real science. God's Word contains much science, so you shouldn't use the word 'science' in a bad context by itself as it were only about men's theories.
I have no idea how you got to Gap theory from my post I simply said I have no interest in Gap theory.

If people think the human body doesn't evolve into a full grown person is simply in denial.

Creation to evolution to adaptation all three stages is part of divine Creation to deny that is Anti - Creation.

[video=youtube;fKyljukBE70]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKyljukBE70[/video]
 

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Another ad hominem attack. Just answer the question. If you are unable to answer, just admit it. Don't obfuscate the issue with one fallacy after another.
Like I said, you're attempt to turn this subject into a scientific argument shows you're not interested in learning what the Gap idea is actually about from God's Holy Writ. I don't play games of 'chicken' either (like "If you are unable to answer...").
 

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What is wrong with the gap theory: The Book of Genesis, there was a perfect world to start with described by God as “very good” (Genesis 1:31)—but it was marred because of Adam’s rebellion. Sin and its consequence of death entered the world that was once a paradise (Romans 5:12, 8:20–22; 1 Corinthians 15:21–22).
Rom.5:12 is about 'death' being assigned to Adam because of his fall, not about the creation falling.

Rom.8:20-22 doesn't say the creation was made subject to vanity because of Adam's fall. If you believe Adam's fall also applied to God's creation, then you are admitting that God had made a previous perfect creation before Adam. I wish you folks would think about what you're saying, instead of just regurgitating what you've heard.

1 Cor.15:21-22 is also only about Adam's fall and suffering the penalty of death, not about the creation. And actually per God's Word, death was first assigned to the Devil when he fell. So when was that when Satan was assigned the power of death?

What you've actually done mcubed is simply misuse those Bible verses just so you could push an idea not written in God's Word, for there is no Biblical evidence that the creation was placed in bondage at the same time when Adam fell.

Heb 2:14
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
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So if one is going to try to use the idea of death coming in as proof of when God placed His creation into bondage, then it would have to have been when Satan fell, since that is when the power of death was first assigned and came into existence.

Did anyone also notice at the end of Revelation 20 that "death" is finally destroyed after Satan is destroyed and when hell goes into the "lake of fire"?
 

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Sometime between God declaring creation as "very good" and the serpent (Satan) tempting Eve in the garden of Eden.
So Satan and 1/3 of God's angels rebelled while God was creating this world? Hardly.

All these verses signify Satan's rebellion was before the foundation of this present world:

Matt 25:34
34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right hand, Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
KJV

Eph 1:4-5
4 According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
KJV

1 Peter 1:19-20
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
KJV

Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV
 

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Re: The Gap vs. New Creationism Propaganda



Originally Posted by BeyondET

I've never looked into this so called gap theory Thing, though Genesis wasn't written to be a scientific or physics or even a time zone. A day in God realm isn't the same time frame as in man realm, the statement, and there was morning and evening doesn't say there was no light, though a morning and evening can have no light as we understand what we call a full day but it can mean as well there was light present the whole time for there was a morning and evening before our sun was created on the forth day and our sun is how we determine a full 24 hour day.

As far as evolution goes it's simply a word to discribe a theory that is looking in the wrong area like once man thought the world was flat. Give it some time and surely this theory of evolution will evolve.








I have no idea how you got to Gap theory from my post I simply said I have no interest in Gap theory.

If people think the human body doesn't evolve into a full grown person is simply in denial.

Creation to evolution to adaptation all three stages is part of divine Creation to deny that is Anti - Creation.
Please don't confuse the theory evolution with real science. The basis of evolution theory is Darwin's idea of the origin of species, which promotes the false idea that one specie evolves into another different species, which is false.
 
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Please don't confuse the theory evolution with real science. The basis of evolution theory is Darwin's idea of the origin of species, which promotes the false idea that one specie evolves into another different species, which is false.
please don't confuse what Darwin taught as being the end all understanding of how life evolves like I said deny humans evolve in the womb of a woman. That we go from being some kind of thing with a tail living in water in a shell to a full grown air breathing human that is evolution plain and simple it's creation. Just because Darwin had a idea of the origin of species doesn't mean it's true it was simply his idea and has nothing to do with the word evolution period in my view.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Could be. I don't think so though.

Why did God create man? the GAP fact answers that question and many others that many believers can't answer.


I disagree,

A literal seven day creation and young earth answers that question better than the gap theory ever could


God created the heaven and the earth for man. Man was in in focus, so everything in creation (from the placing of the stars in the heavens for night viewing and transportation purposes as a guide to plant/animal life being created in its adult form for man to view the beauty and to eat (plant) and to work (the ground) was created in an aged usable form.

All the gap does (in my view) is show God made a mistake with Satan, And man is the result.. and takes away from the power of Creation.. and the majesty of God, Who says, let there be (whatever it is he is creating) and it becomes in its perfected form.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Well... this OP certainly does nothing to encourage discussion,
He also decided the answer to his own question, Which means discussion is impossible. it is his way or the highway.. Meaning probably a good thread to let die.. it is useless..
 

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Any old earth mythology (evolution, gap theory, day-age - whatever) makes use of the evolutionary timeline and puts sin and its consequences eg. suffering and death before the Fall. But that's just not biblical. It was because of Adam's sin against God that all of creation was cursed.
it depends on what you mean by 'old earth mythology'. If you mean older than 6,000 years you are wrong. Nowhere does the Bible teach that the earth is 6,000 year old.


Furthermore why should the death of animals (painless in itself) not occur because of Adam's sin.?
 
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The first death mentioned in scripture was God killing an animal to cover the nakedness of man.

The second death mentioned is when cain killed abel.

Death is a result of the fall.. God created all life on earth perfect. Adam/eve and all life on earth would have lived forever if not for the fall. To say there was death before the creation of man is to say sin somehow tainted the earth, and life in the garden of Eden was not "perfect" as God claimed it was. In fact, It to was dieing, as was all manner of life (plant an animal) even up to the time of the fall.
 

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The first death mentioned in scripture
was God killing an animal to cover the nakedness of man.

Death is a result of the fall.. God created all life on earth perfect.
Adam/eve and all life on earth would have lived forever if not for the fall.
yes the first Passover with man was when God covered Adams nakedness
[type of sin] with animal skins, sheading blood , all things are purged with blood.

God said Adam and Eve was mortal, and would return to the dust of the ground.
They did [not] eat of the tree of life, they where not going to live forever [unless]
they ate from the tree of life. If they had, God would have imparted the Holy spirit,
and they would have learned Gods way, and produced fruit from the right tree.
 
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DP

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please don't confuse what Darwin taught as being the end all understanding of how life evolves like I said deny humans evolve in the womb of a woman. That we go from being some kind of thing with a tail living in water in a shell to a full grown air breathing human that is evolution plain and simple it's creation. Just because Darwin had a idea of the origin of species doesn't mean it's true it was simply his idea and has nothing to do with the word evolution period in my view.
A fetus developing inside a woman's womb is not the theory of evolution. And we have been talking about Darwinian evolution here, not any other.
 
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BeyondET

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A fetus developing inside a woman's womb is not the theory of evolution. And we have been talking about Darwinian evolution here, not any other.
good Lord Darwin theory is just a idea, now mainstream evo people may think on Darwins theory not I.

though I like to here your view of the tail structure in the beginning stage of human development within the womb. Please if your going to say that's a conspiracy I don't know what to tell ya, check out your local college or hospital and see it in person.
 

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I disagree,

A literal seven day creation and young earth answers that question better than the gap theory ever could


God created the heaven and the earth for man. Man was in in focus, so everything in creation (from the placing of the stars in the heavens for night viewing and transportation purposes as a guide to plant/animal life being created in its adult form for man to view the beauty and to eat (plant) and to work (the ground) was created in an aged usable form.

All the gap does (in my view) is show God made a mistake with Satan, And man is the result.. and takes away from the power of Creation.. and the majesty of God, Who says, let there be (whatever it is he is creating) and it becomes in its perfected form.
The Gap idea shows God made a mistake with Satan???

Now that really is... reaching, revealing you're only interested in whatever makes the Gap idea 'sound false', while you actually make no legitimate argument.

The Ezekiel 28 Scripture is where God revealed that He created Satan "perfect in his ways" before he rebelled. Satan rebelled of his own free will. God didn't cause it. Evil and death came in because of what Satan did, not from any shortcomings of our Heavenly Father.

Suggesting Satan's fall was from God's Hand reveals a lack of understanding in His Word.