The Gap vs. New Creationism Propaganda
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Who did this? I already said, No one knows how long after adam was created, that he sinned, it could have been many years..
I can show you Biblical proof against that idea. It's the parable of Ezekiel 28 about Satan when God originally created him perfect, and then he rebelled against God. Satan coveted God's Throne was what his sin was about, it wasn't about tempting Adam and Eve to sin. When Satan as "that old serpent" shows up in Gen.3 to tempt Eve, that shows he was already in his role as tempter, meaning already fallen, and already an enemy.
Moreover, the Scripture about Christ and His Kingdom being ordained before the foundation of this world also points to that being required to defeat death and Satan, meaning Satan's rebellion had to have been prior to the creation of this world.
So satan fell before the heavens and the earth were created? well you just destroyed your own theory, Because if that is true, Then God could have then created the heavens and the earth in 6 literal 24 hour periods. In thise time, created adam and eve, and then later. Satan deceived eve, and her and her husband fell. causing the deterioration of life as we know it.
[/COLOR]2 Peter 3:5-6
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
KJV
That by the Word of God the heavens were of old is when God first created the heavens and the earth at Gen.1:1. At Gen.1:2-9 is when the earth was "standing out of the water and in the water", as that's about God moving the waters around on the earth, creating the sky, and then making the dry land appear (again). That old world was "overflowed with water" and it "perished." That's what many are willingly ignorant of.
dude , You responded to my post of how death could not have come before adam's sin, That is the topic of our discussion. So keep on topic. or move on, Because I am sick of your false accusations, and lack of humility whenever we talk of these things.
The spiritual death of spiritual beings can not be equated to death of phsyical beings.
Um Nope. Satans spiritual death did, Satan did not die physically, nor did physical death occure because of satans sin..
He is the author of lies, and because of his lies, and the fact Adam and Eve listened to him and not God, He is said to be the father of death..
He did not cause, or create death.. The garden was perfect.. There was no death in pre sin period.. God created the heavens and the earth and all life (including man) and God said it was good.
He did not cause, or create death.. The garden was perfect.. There was no death in pre sin period.. God created the heavens and the earth and all life (including man) and God said it was good.
God's creation of this present world is still a wonderous act that only He could do. I'm not knocking that, but I'm not going to knock what Apostle Paul said either in Rom.8, that God made the creation subject to vanity, and in bondage to corruption. Now which do you argue with, because I stand for what is written in God's Word.
What does this have to do with physical death for millions of years of creatures ansd life on earth before adam sinned?
Jesus himself said, because of adams sin, God cursed the ground, Meaning the earth started to die at that moment, In fact, at that moment all creation has started to die.
Jesus himself said, because of adams sin, God cursed the ground, Meaning the earth started to die at that moment, In fact, at that moment all creation has started to die.
Paul did not say this, it says creation is in bondgage, awaiting until it is restored.
Creation was not in bondage until sin, and the earth was nnot in bondage until Adam sinned.
"ps, now who is saying God created evil, You just claimed that very thing yourself..
Creation was not in bondage until sin, and the earth was nnot in bondage until Adam sinned.
"ps, now who is saying God created evil, You just claimed that very thing yourself..
Who gave you the idea that perfection means one can be physically ill and eventually die, and can not sin?
If this was the case, Jesus telling adam and eve they will start to die the moment they ate of that tree is meaningless. They were already going to die anyway.
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God made us perfect in the way he designed us.. We destroyed that when we sinned..
If this was the case, Jesus telling adam and eve they will start to die the moment they ate of that tree is meaningless. They were already going to die anyway.
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God made us perfect in the way he designed us.. We destroyed that when we sinned..
Adam and Eve were partaking of the Tree of Life in God's Garden, something you forgot.
God did not... make Adam and Eve perfect. If that were so, then they could never have sin. It was a sin of the flesh that Eve was subjected, pleasant to the eyes.
there you go again, God created evil, so he can glorify his son.
No. If mankind never sinned God still would have been glorified, the only difference is his son could remained in heaven and the corss never would occure.
But God knew that would not happen, So instead of changing his mind, and never making man,, He made a plan to save men, then made them, knowing they would fall.
But God knew that would not happen, So instead of changing his mind, and never making man,, He made a plan to save men, then made them, knowing they would fall.
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Thanks EG.
Can you give an example of one of your questions and how the flood answered it?
Can you give an example of one of your questions and how the flood answered it?
A fossil is created when an animal dies, or is buried alive, then sediment covers the body and hardens before the body decomposes, leaving a void, or fossil in its place.
Fossils do not occure over decades, or millions of years of decay, they occure frequent, or in flood situations.. (although their may be some which may, like an animal getting caught in a tar pit, then that tar pit hardening forever soon after the animal died)
Also, the way in which the fossil record as seen, could readily be explained by a global catastrophic flood.. Not billions of years of life on earth with different ages.
Why are fossils on the top of Mt Everest? well that can be explained, if the mountain was created during a catastrophic flood. the fossil were made in the early stages of the flood, then the mountain was created, and the earth buckled and lifted up.
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How long AFTER Adam was created? What makes you think Satan didn't sin until after... Adam was created? Where's Biblical proof for that?
ok, I am about fed up with this nonsense.
If you can not read what I say and want to continue this nonsense of slandering me to prove your point, then I refuse to answer any ore of your comments.
I NEVER SAID SATAN SINNED AFTER ADAM.
That is nonsense.
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One of the biggest one was the fossil theory.
A fossil is created when an animal dies, or is buried alive, then sediment covers the body and hardens before the body decomposes, leaving a void, or fossil in its place.
Fossils do not occure over decades, or millions of years of decay, they occure frequent, or in flood situations.. (although their may be some which may, like an animal getting caught in a tar pit, then that tar pit hardening forever soon after the animal died)
Also, the way in which the fossil record as seen, could readily be explained by a global catastrophic flood.. Not billions of years of life on earth with different ages.
Why are fossils on the top of Mt Everest? well that can be explained, if the mountain was created during a catastrophic flood. the fossil were made in the early stages of the flood, then the mountain was created, and the earth buckled and lifted up.
A fossil is created when an animal dies, or is buried alive, then sediment covers the body and hardens before the body decomposes, leaving a void, or fossil in its place.
Fossils do not occure over decades, or millions of years of decay, they occure frequent, or in flood situations.. (although their may be some which may, like an animal getting caught in a tar pit, then that tar pit hardening forever soon after the animal died)
Also, the way in which the fossil record as seen, could readily be explained by a global catastrophic flood.. Not billions of years of life on earth with different ages.
Why are fossils on the top of Mt Everest? well that can be explained, if the mountain was created during a catastrophic flood. the fossil were made in the early stages of the flood, then the mountain was created, and the earth buckled and lifted up.
IMO, this is the Flood Peter talks about. Not the flood of Noah. No one overlooks that flood. and Noahs flood didn't judge the heavens of old.
2 Pet 3~~4and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 5For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.
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One of the biggest one was the fossil theory.
A fossil is created when an animal dies, or is buried alive, then sediment covers the body and hardens before the body decomposes, leaving a void, or fossil in its place.
Fossils do not occure over decades, or millions of years of decay, they occure frequent, or in flood situations.. (although their may be some which may, like an animal getting caught in a tar pit, then that tar pit hardening forever soon after the animal died)
Also, the way in which the fossil record as seen, could readily be explained by a global catastrophic flood.. Not billions of years of life on earth with different ages.
Why are fossils on the top of Mt Everest? well that can be explained, if the mountain was created during a catastrophic flood. the fossil were made in the early stages of the flood, then the mountain was created, and the earth buckled and lifted up.
A fossil is created when an animal dies, or is buried alive, then sediment covers the body and hardens before the body decomposes, leaving a void, or fossil in its place.
Fossils do not occure over decades, or millions of years of decay, they occure frequent, or in flood situations.. (although their may be some which may, like an animal getting caught in a tar pit, then that tar pit hardening forever soon after the animal died)
Also, the way in which the fossil record as seen, could readily be explained by a global catastrophic flood.. Not billions of years of life on earth with different ages.
Why are fossils on the top of Mt Everest? well that can be explained, if the mountain was created during a catastrophic flood. the fossil were made in the early stages of the flood, then the mountain was created, and the earth buckled and lifted up.
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Thank you. And from my studies, I come up with 2 floods. One of which judged the earth AND the heavens.
IMO, this is the Flood Peter talks about. Not the flood of Noah. No one overlooks that flood. and Noahs flood didn't judge the heavens of old.
2 Pet 3~~4and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 5For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.
IMO, this is the Flood Peter talks about. Not the flood of Noah. No one overlooks that flood. and Noahs flood didn't judge the heavens of old.
2 Pet 3~~4and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 5For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.
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Thomas Chalmers originated the GAP theory and it was picked by many others including CI Scofield...
How did Chalmers take Psalm 104 out of context?
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Ok. Now I have heard of Scofield, and have read some of his stuff. But not much. I have been tempted to read more of Scofield, He gets such a bad rap he must of been pretty close to the truth.
How did Chalmers take Psalm 104 out of context?
How did Chalmers take Psalm 104 out of context?
It puzzles me that you hold to a theory and have no knowledge of where it came from....Start digging and you will find out how Chalmers and others used Jeremiah 4 and Psalm 104 and many other scriptures to deceive millions....
GAP Theory gives a theological frosting to the cake of natural science, so the carnal mind of a Christian can be appeased.
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What are Old earth practices?
And the GAP idea doesn't have anything to do with evolution. Evolution is from the mouth of satan.
And the GAP idea doesn't have anything to do with evolution. Evolution is from the mouth of satan.
GAP theory agrees with natural science that the earth, in present form, has to be millions of years old. GAP is also from the mouth of Satan, because it glorifies Satan and makes God look foolish and inept....I am not going to do your homework for you.....
Anything that makes Satan look good and God look silly is of Satan...
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Ok. Now I have heard of Scofield, and have read some of his stuff. But not much. I have been tempted to read more of Scofield, He gets such a bad rap he must of been pretty close to the truth.
How did Chalmers take Psalm 104 out of context?
How did Chalmers take Psalm 104 out of context?
Scofield is where I first heard of the Gap Theory. It is in his Scofield reference bible. Which I have used since my first bible An old Scofield reference KJV I currently own a Scofield reference 3 NKJV which I use as my main bible..
He has a lot of good things.. And he does get a bad rap. GAP is one of his flaws in my opinion.. For many reasons. Not just the one I just stated..
I do not buy into the 2 flood theory.. I know many teach it, But after thorough examination. I no longer hold to it..
In Gen, when the bible says the fountains of the great deep opened. I think this was a major earth shattering experience. I Have read two views,, 1 being the catastrophic plate tectonic view, and the other being the hydroplate theory view.. Both of which I believe have more backing and biblical support than the GAP view.. I actually believe the truth is most likely parts taken from both views.. Not just one of them..
As usual in Christian politics, they reject each other,, which is sad, I think if they could come together, we would see even more of The truth.
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You need to stop listening to communicated "Bible" Knowledge and start digging into the lie that is GAP theory.
GAP theory agrees with natural science that the earth, in present form, has to be millions of years old. GAP is also from the mouth of Satan, because it glorifies Satan and makes God look foolish and inept....I am not going to do your homework for you.....
Anything that makes Satan look good and God look silly is of Satan...
GAP theory agrees with natural science that the earth, in present form, has to be millions of years old. GAP is also from the mouth of Satan, because it glorifies Satan and makes God look foolish and inept....I am not going to do your homework for you.....
Anything that makes Satan look good and God look silly is of Satan...
Hey bro, This is kind of harsh, Lets not be like DP.. We were getting some good conversation with Gr8Grace,, Lets try to discuss and not judge, ok?
I think we have an opportunity for actually study ad discussion here, would hate to see it destroyed because our pride gets in the way..
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You need to stop listening to communicated "Bible" Knowledge and start digging into the lie that is GAP theory.
GAP theory agrees with natural science that the earth, in present form, has to be millions of years old. GAP is also from the mouth of Satan, because it glorifies Satan and makes God look foolish and inept....I am not going to do your homework for you.....
Anything that makes Satan look good and God look silly is of Satan...
GAP theory agrees with natural science that the earth, in present form, has to be millions of years old. GAP is also from the mouth of Satan, because it glorifies Satan and makes God look foolish and inept....I am not going to do your homework for you.....
Anything that makes Satan look good and God look silly is of Satan...
You need to fall off of the turnip truck and regurgitating turnip things. And start digging into the lie of YEC.
YEC is a false premise that totally denies Gods word, in order to "fight" evolution. And YEC forgets that God IS science. It is history~~HIS story. YEC hides the true reason we are here and what Gods purpose is for us as a lower creation.
The GAP exposes satan and his fall and all His "silly" arrogance and pride. He devised YEC to hide this truth.
Hows that work? Who won this debate?
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Well thanks for your all your help. I can answer like this too.
You need to fall off of the turnip truck and regurgitating turnip things. And start digging into the lie of YEC.
YEC is a false premise that totally denies Gods word, in order to "fight" evolution. And YEC forgets that God IS science. It is history~~HIS story. YEC hides the true reason we are here and what Gods purpose is for us as a lower creation.
The GAP exposes satan and his fall and all His "silly" arrogance and pride. He devised YEC to hide this truth.
Hows that work? Who won this debate?
You need to fall off of the turnip truck and regurgitating turnip things. And start digging into the lie of YEC.
YEC is a false premise that totally denies Gods word, in order to "fight" evolution. And YEC forgets that God IS science. It is history~~HIS story. YEC hides the true reason we are here and what Gods purpose is for us as a lower creation.
The GAP exposes satan and his fall and all His "silly" arrogance and pride. He devised YEC to hide this truth.
Hows that work? Who won this debate?
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In Gen, when the bible says the fountains of the great deep opened. I think this was a major earth shattering experience. I Have read two views,, 1 being the catastrophic plate tectonic view, and the other being the hydroplate theory view.. Both of which I believe have more backing and biblical support than the GAP view..