History of the Sabbath - Have you been tricked?
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Who said any thing about breaking commandments in respect to ceremonial laws which are mere shadows that were used up until the time of refomation marked by the renting of the view. As a shadow it marked Christ has come in the flesh.
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Ceremonial laws were used as parables to announce the gospel of Christ in respect to the suffering of Christ before hand.
Ceremonial laws (eating and Sabbath(rest) days are not moral laws.If they were we would not be commanded not to judge one another in respect to them .
Has the time of reformation come?
Sunday is the new era of Sabbaths
The first day of the week marks the new creation and the beginning of the last days were there is no outward representation needed as shadows.You could say like the period of the Judges .This is when there was no King before God gave the Jew over to do what they should not of.
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I understand that the Sabbath rest was a symbol of the coming Messiah who gave us rest in his presence when he sat down at the right hand of the Father in heaven. The bible tells us that Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. Matt 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5. He is the end of the law for righteousness for everyone who believes Romans 10:4.
For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. Hebrews 7
For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. Hebrews 7
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Hebrews 10 says ~
10 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), [SUP]9 [/SUP]then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. [SUP]10 [/SUP]By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, [SUP]13 [/SUP]from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”[SUP]17 [/SUP]then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” [SUP]18 [/SUP]Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.
10 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. [SUP]3 [/SUP]But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), [SUP]9 [/SUP]then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. [SUP]10 [/SUP]By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, [SUP]13 [/SUP]from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”[SUP]17 [/SUP]then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” [SUP]18 [/SUP]Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.
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Matthew 22:35-40 says
Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
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Hebrews 4: 16 says ~
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2 For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’ ”
although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5 And again in this passage he said,
“They shall not enter my rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7 again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
“Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. 9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10 for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.
11 Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and active,sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
14 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2 For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’ ”
although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5 And again in this passage he said,
“They shall not enter my rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7 again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
“Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. 9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10 for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.
11 Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and active,sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
14 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
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Hebrews 4: 16 says ~
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2 For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’ ”
although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5 And again in this passage he said,
“They shall not enter my rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7 again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
“Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. 9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10 for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.
11 Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and active,sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
14 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2 For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’ ”
although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5 And again in this passage he said,
“They shall not enter my rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7 again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
“Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. 9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10 for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.
11 Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and active,sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
14 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
No commandments are replace by the private interpretations of the Jewish fathers.Their oral Jewish traditions simply makes Gods' tradition the bible to no effect.
By looking at the two different reason for keeping them as they are shadows that could never make the conscience complete/perfect he uses two different parables as standpoints from two different time periods..unlike the the moral law.
By looking at the two different reason for keeping them as they are shadows that could never make the conscience complete/perfect he uses two different parables as standpoints from two different time periods..unlike the the moral law.
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The 10 commandments are the core of a covenant given to the Jews through Moses. They are as part of the Law given to the Jews but not the gentiles. Gentiles never received the Mosaic Law. Gentiles are not judged by the set of the Law given to the Jews. They are instead judged by what God has buried in their hearts through an earlier covenant (started with Noah). It is in the form of our conscience and moral code basing on which an extra set of Law (the Mosaic Law) was given to the Jews by the covenant made through Moses.
That's why the majority of saved Christians in the past 2000 years don't observe Sabbath seriously. It is because the majority of Christians are gentiles instead of Jews.
On the other hand, the contents of 10 commandment as the core of Mosaic Law can be common to all other covenants. Such as loving God, loving neighbors, don't kill etc. they should also exist in your conscience. So we need to precisely get to which contents we gentiles should continue to observe. God did the job for us through Jesus Christ;
Matthew 19:18-19 (NIV)
“Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”
The 10 commandments now in NT become Christ's teaching for Christians to follow. it doesn't include Sabbath. This is not skipped by a mistake. it is instead a clarification of the contents of the New Covenant.
The meaning of Sabbath on the one hand is for humans to memorize the deeds of God, that is, how He created planet earth. On the other is for God to declare His sovereignty. God demanded the Jews to observe Sabbath strictly which leading to the end effect that virtually all humans today are observing Sabbath in one way or another. By today's human calendar world wide, we rest on our weekends defined in a 7 day cycle. Christians attend Sunday services and with the Jews are observing Sabbath in their own way.
That's why the majority of saved Christians in the past 2000 years don't observe Sabbath seriously. It is because the majority of Christians are gentiles instead of Jews.
On the other hand, the contents of 10 commandment as the core of Mosaic Law can be common to all other covenants. Such as loving God, loving neighbors, don't kill etc. they should also exist in your conscience. So we need to precisely get to which contents we gentiles should continue to observe. God did the job for us through Jesus Christ;
Matthew 19:18-19 (NIV)
“Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”
The 10 commandments now in NT become Christ's teaching for Christians to follow. it doesn't include Sabbath. This is not skipped by a mistake. it is instead a clarification of the contents of the New Covenant.
The meaning of Sabbath on the one hand is for humans to memorize the deeds of God, that is, how He created planet earth. On the other is for God to declare His sovereignty. God demanded the Jews to observe Sabbath strictly which leading to the end effect that virtually all humans today are observing Sabbath in one way or another. By today's human calendar world wide, we rest on our weekends defined in a 7 day cycle. Christians attend Sunday services and with the Jews are observing Sabbath in their own way.