You are right. We are told the adversary uses 'subtle trickery to deceive. This only becomes 'evident to us when we 'call his bluff and actually DO what GOD says and become obedient to HIM. The thing is...human nature in it's carnal state is not of and by itself obedient but will always only want to satisfy the EGO Rom 8v7.
Is this bishop telling the truth about sun-day? Video less than 4 minutes.
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just because one believes their worship of the Almighty includes obedience to the things he commanded, and that He never changes doesn't mean we are relying types and shadows, we rely on our Savior, none else, the difference is our understanding of "fulfilled" and the word rendered "law" in Paul's writings is different. this by no means shows we are relying on the direct commands, teaching and instruction of the Almighty to accomplish our salvation, (our beloved Savior did that), and just because we wish to honor Him in submission and adherence to His ways doesn't mean we have fallen from grace or refused His amazing gift, on the contrary, we embrace it! , for me, I do not look upon others who have a different understanding of these things as inferior or superior to me, but rather precious souls who our Savior bled for and died to save.
The blessing of his truth is one of many things He has given me that I cherish and protect... I consider any true believer in our Messiah as my brother or sister. He surely has drawn us all and each receives all the good the Eternal One has chosen in His infinite wisdom to bestow on all His children. so I ask you please do not judge me as lost , or under bondage, or trying to draw others away from the path they are on, but rather see that I too am only trying to serve and love Him the best I know how. because that is how I think of all of you.
The blessing of his truth is one of many things He has given me that I cherish and protect... I consider any true believer in our Messiah as my brother or sister. He surely has drawn us all and each receives all the good the Eternal One has chosen in His infinite wisdom to bestow on all His children. so I ask you please do not judge me as lost , or under bondage, or trying to draw others away from the path they are on, but rather see that I too am only trying to serve and love Him the best I know how. because that is how I think of all of you.
Think about this.
Pharisees, who believe, have been trying to put Christians under the law since the beginning of Christianity. See Acts 15. And then pretty much every book after that.
Since we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Christians aren't under the law and Christians aren't under obligation to observe Jewish ceremonies or ways, why would Christians then decide to observe a sabbath that is a shadow of what they have in Christ???
Wouldn't it make more sense to worship Christ on the day He Rose, Sunday, further stating and showing that Christians aren't under the law or jewish ways or ceremonies?
Wouldn't it completely confuse the issue of being dead to the law if Christians started observing the carnal commandments that the Jews do? And for what purpose? To please those who have no spiritual understanding of what the Law says to begin with?
Acts 15:24-29
[FONT="]24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:[/FONT]
[FONT="]25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,[/FONT]
[FONT="]26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT="]27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.[/FONT]
[FONT="]28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;[/FONT]
[FONT="]29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.[/FONT]
Pharisees, who believe, have been trying to put Christians under the law since the beginning of Christianity. See Acts 15. And then pretty much every book after that.
Since we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Christians aren't under the law and Christians aren't under obligation to observe Jewish ceremonies or ways, why would Christians then decide to observe a sabbath that is a shadow of what they have in Christ???
Wouldn't it make more sense to worship Christ on the day He Rose, Sunday, further stating and showing that Christians aren't under the law or jewish ways or ceremonies?
Wouldn't it completely confuse the issue of being dead to the law if Christians started observing the carnal commandments that the Jews do? And for what purpose? To please those who have no spiritual understanding of what the Law says to begin with?
Acts 15:24-29
[FONT="]24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:[/FONT]
[FONT="]25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,[/FONT]
[FONT="]26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT="]27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.[/FONT]
[FONT="]28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;[/FONT]
[FONT="]29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.[/FONT]
please understand that the law the Pharisees were trying to "put the early Christians under" was not the law of Moses, but rather what they added to it, our Savior directly addressed this in Mark 15:9, many fail to see this or simply ignore this fact, the Pharisees were laying burdens on the people that the Father NEVER intended or commanded.
Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law,
do ye not hear the law?
(Galatians 4:21)
do ye not hear the law?
(Galatians 4:21)
why does the scripture say "law" here -- and everywhere else -- if what it really means is "human traditions contrary to the law" ?
why doesn't the epistle to the Romans say "you are dead to the unscriptural traditions of the pharisees" ??
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the fact is, Yonah, that you and beta and all your teachers and all the rest of the disciples of those, are saying something that is not true, and is completely unsupportable in scripture: something the word of God simply does not say.
we are set free from the Law through our immersion into the crucifixion of Christ.
all men have at all times been free from commands that God never gave, save for the obedience due to respect for the authorities God has set in place.
but who is the authority over us now? who is the High Priest? is it the ruler of the synagogue?
it is Jesus Christ, who gives us this command:
believe, and love one another as He has loved us.
believe what?
believe that He has paid your penalty and set you free from the Law, which ministered the condemnation and curse of sin!!
standing beside the light, there is no more shadow. there is no darkness there, because there is no darkness in Him.
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But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
(Acts 15:5-6)
[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
(Acts 15:5-6)
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I believe in keeping (to the best of my ability) the 10 Commandments of God that JESUS also observed during His human lifetime...love God and neighbour.
As far as I understand the 'commandments contained in ordinances were abolished by Christ but they did not contain the Sabbath-law which was established as part of 'Creation week. If you abolish or move that Cornerstone to another day you risk the collapse of that Creation and Foundation.
Maybe some people promote the law of Moses but Jesus dealt with that on the cross Eph 2v15.
As far as I understand the 'commandments contained in ordinances were abolished by Christ but they did not contain the Sabbath-law which was established as part of 'Creation week. If you abolish or move that Cornerstone to another day you risk the collapse of that Creation and Foundation.
Maybe some people promote the law of Moses but Jesus dealt with that on the cross Eph 2v15.
of course not bro.
let's look at this verse again:
that is why Romans 14 teaches that we accept one another, not to discerning the intentions of the heart, so as to stir up doubt, but in love: both the brother that keeps a sabbath day and the sister who keeps all days alike do so to the Lord, and He is One Lord, Adonai Eloheinu! Adonai Eloheinu Echad.
let's look at this verse again:
But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
(Acts 15:5-6)
And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
(Acts 15:5-6)
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that is why Romans 14 teaches that we accept one another, not to discerning the intentions of the heart, so as to stir up doubt, but in love: both the brother that keeps a sabbath day and the sister who keeps all days alike do so to the Lord, and He is One Lord, Adonai Eloheinu! Adonai Eloheinu Echad.
"subtle trickery" is relying on the shadows which are the things in the Law of Moses and not Christ Himself which is the real substance. This physical observance of the shadows is in effect denying the work of Christ that He has done in our lives.
I believe in believing in what Christ has already done and that includes fulfilling all the shadows of the law of Moses in Himself.
I believe that Christians are in Christ. His life in us is how we live now. We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to guide us in this life now.
I'm sorry but the "cornerstone" is NOT a law in the Old Testament but it is Christ Himself.
It's funny that Peter here is speaking of the Jewish law-keepers in this verse.
Acts 4:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone.
"subtle trickery" is relying on the shadows which are the things in the Law of Moses and not Christ Himself which is the real substance. This physical observance of the shadows is in effect denying the work of Christ that He has done in our lives.
I believe in believing in what Christ has already done and that includes fulfilling all the shadows of the law of Moses in Himself.
I believe that Christians are in Christ. His life in us is how we live now. We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to guide us in this life now.
I'm sorry but the "cornerstone" is NOT a law in the Old Testament but it is Christ Himself.
It's funny that Peter here is speaking of the Jewish law-keepers in this verse.
Acts 4:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]"He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone.
keeping the Commandments including the Sabbath and walking with Jesus as His disciple has nothing to do with keeping the law of Moses which Jesus has abolished on the cross Eph 2v15. I have never talked about keeping it or returning to it.
Is "thou shall not covet" not one of the ten commandments?
Yes of course it is and Paul calls that "the law". You can not pick and choose what is part of the law and what isn't. It's the whole thing or nothing at all.
Trying to live by the ten commandments and keeping the Jewish Sabbath is trying to live by the law.
Now if you would say that people can live by Christ and they do not have to follow any part of the law - then you would not be seen as a "law-keeper" trying to get Christians to go back to the law for life and living. Christ's life in us is how we live now - NOT by the keeping of 10 commandments or a Sabbath day observance.
If you tell us that the Christian doesn't have to live by any part of the law of Moses - including the ten commandments and the Sabbath - then we will agree with you in what you are saying.
Romans 7:7-8 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead.
Yes of course it is and Paul calls that "the law". You can not pick and choose what is part of the law and what isn't. It's the whole thing or nothing at all.
Trying to live by the ten commandments and keeping the Jewish Sabbath is trying to live by the law.
Now if you would say that people can live by Christ and they do not have to follow any part of the law - then you would not be seen as a "law-keeper" trying to get Christians to go back to the law for life and living. Christ's life in us is how we live now - NOT by the keeping of 10 commandments or a Sabbath day observance.
If you tell us that the Christian doesn't have to live by any part of the law of Moses - including the ten commandments and the Sabbath - then we will agree with you in what you are saying.
Romans 7:7-8 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead.
the decalogue is the synopsis of the Mosaic law. it is the law of Moses.
everything in the rest of the Torah is expounding on it. it's not separable. so whey you say "keeping the commandments" - which commandments are you referring to? the ones from the sermon on the mount? ((there's no sabbath mentioned there!))
you're talking about the commandments kept in the ark. the ones that were given at Sinai and continued to be given and enucleated as the Lord communicated them to Moses. that "ministration of death engraved in stone" that was immediately broken as Moses came down the mountain, and then handwritten himself: the very same ordinances.
where do you get justification to pick a few out and not do the others?
if the sabbath was a commandment to be an "age-enduring" sign for the Jews, so was the Levitical priesthood, and so were the burnt offerings and grain offerings and atoning offerings and the incense and anointing oil and . . . so on! the very same language is used for all these things. what's the basis to command one to be done, and not the others?
physical circumcision - this was also to be an "age-enduring" sign: why aren't we arguing that? is it because this was the thing so expressly spoken of in scripture that it is so obvious is no more commanded?
but the law is one law. break one part, and i am guilty of breaking it all.
those are the things nailed to the cross. dead is dead -- and in the Lord, by His precious sacrifice and awesome mercy, we have died to all these. to become lawless? no - to serve by the Spirit that He gave us, which is life and peace and works all godliness!
how else do you think Paul can say "we uphold the law" in the same letter he says "we are dead to the law"?
he doesn't make a distinction between the synopsis of it and the exposition of it. he doesn't make a distinction between moral, ceremonial, sacrificial -- where in the Bible do you see such a distinction?
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Matthew 13 51-52 51 “Have you understood all these things?” Jesus asked. “Yes,” they replied. 52 He said to them, “Therefore every teacher of the law who has become a disciple in the kingdom of heaven is like the owner of a house who brings out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old.”. is Jesus referring to His disciples as teachers of the law? and what are the "old" treasures He speaks of? what ever they are they are not done away with as the Teacher says they are to still to be brought out of the storehouse.
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along with new things.
we know that serving in the way of the spirit has supplanted serving according to the written code; that all shadows have their substance found in Christ. His sacrifice removing all further sacrifices is the easiest to see, but only the beginning of comprehending His fulfillment.
Reply to posthuman, Grace 777,
JESUS fulfilling the law - in this case the 10 Commandments did not abolish them, or do you think we no longer need to show 'love to God and neighbour ? just THINKING good in the spirit but don't back it up with action ? That's what you are saying when you abolish them along with the 'commandments contained in ordinances.
The 10 Com are 'NOT part of the 'WORKS of the law of Moses' and are called spiritual,eternal,holy,just and good Rom 7 and were PERSONALLY given to the people BY GOD HIMSELF Ex20v1, Deut 5v22, therefore can not be abolished. Jesus teaches them by His living example of 'love, mercy and compassion - not as a 'you must in the old letter written in stone.
The principles of the 10 Com are 'personified in Christ who kept His Fathers Commandments and if He is 'in you then you will also live according to them. In the NT that is your choice - not a must !
A difference is made between what is 'holy and what is not - at least it should be Lev 10v10.
If ALL laws are abolished as you claim...WHICH law is God writing on our hearts now Heb 8, ???
JESUS fulfilling the law - in this case the 10 Commandments did not abolish them, or do you think we no longer need to show 'love to God and neighbour ? just THINKING good in the spirit but don't back it up with action ? That's what you are saying when you abolish them along with the 'commandments contained in ordinances.
The 10 Com are 'NOT part of the 'WORKS of the law of Moses' and are called spiritual,eternal,holy,just and good Rom 7 and were PERSONALLY given to the people BY GOD HIMSELF Ex20v1, Deut 5v22, therefore can not be abolished. Jesus teaches them by His living example of 'love, mercy and compassion - not as a 'you must in the old letter written in stone.
The principles of the 10 Com are 'personified in Christ who kept His Fathers Commandments and if He is 'in you then you will also live according to them. In the NT that is your choice - not a must !
A difference is made between what is 'holy and what is not - at least it should be Lev 10v10.
If ALL laws are abolished as you claim...WHICH law is God writing on our hearts now Heb 8, ???
It is important to know what Under the law means, and not put our own spin on its meaning.
The first time Paul uses this term in His epistle to the Romans He says this:
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Notice that the Law only speaks to those who are under the law so that "every" mouth may stop and "all the world" be guilty.
Notice that its all the world, every mouth.
Then it says this:
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Notice that it is by the law that we have a knowledge of sin. That includes the Sabbath of the 4th commandment. Now clearly no sane person would suggest that it was sin to keep the 7th day Sabbath or any other one of the commandments. So then it is clear that the law showed sin then by showing what is good. In fact Paul is clear on this point later in the epistle:
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Notice clearly that the law here shows Paul what sin is. It does so by stating what is good. This then also includes the 7th day Sabbath which is part of that law which shows what sin is by shewing what is good. None can ignore this plain fact.
So then what then did Paul mean by under the law? Does he mean that we should not keep it and that only those who keep it are under it? It can be demonstrated that this is not the case by Paul's own writing.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Notice that sin does not have dominion over us because we are not under the law. So not being under the law is connected with being free from sin. But note the next verse which says:
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
So we again notice that not being under the law does not mean we can sin. Knowing without doubt that Paul believes that the law shows sin by that which is good. It is clear then that He is against the Idea that not being under the law means we do not need to obey the law. Anyone claiming such things is clearly basing their ideas of a man made doctrine.
Paul makes it clear in the next verse when he says:
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Paul is clear you either sin, which is breaking the law or you obey which is keeping the law. The topic has not changed, Paul is following a line of thought. Obedience is clearly and most obviously the opposite of sin. And Paul without controversy is clear that sin is breaking the law. Thus it is clear that those who break the commandments are in sin.
This is obvious as even those who disregard the Sabbath as a shadow will agree that the law shows sin. It is most inconsistent to suggest that once Christ comes only nine of the commandments remain sin while one changes when there is not such command or change found in all of scripture. Jesus did not teach a change, the apostles did not teach a change.
Paul uses the term under the law multiple times. but it is demonstrated that this term does not and in fact can not mean that obedience to the law is done away with. Paul is dealing with the reality that salvation comes not from the law but Christ and his atoning sacrifice for our sins.
For as Paul states:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
It is easily demonstrated that Jesus did not come to do away with the law. Jesus mission was to save us from our sins as it is clearly seen here:
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
It is most clear throughout scripture that sin is breaking the law. Jesus came not to take the law out of the way but rather save us form sin which is breaking the law. John most convincingly speaks on this matter in like manner as Paul:
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Sin is lawlessness. Law breaking this includes the 7th day Sabbath.
Jesus came to free us form sin and the devil as it is written:
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Notice that Jesus was manifested for the very purpose of destroying the works of the Devil which is sin. Sin is breaking the law.
So if you find yourself trying to manipulate scripture to change Gods law that shows sin. Then is it not the carnal heart which is a deceiver as it is written:
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
And as Paul most clearly reveals that it is the carnal heart not the spiritual that resists the law:
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Then it is clear that those who are of the flesh resist Gods law and are not subject to it. Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments.
Jesus came to free us from sin. The law says to disregard the 7th day Sabbath is just as much sin as breaking any of the other nine commandments. It is the carnal heart that manipulates scripture to make sin ok. and it is most clear that those who are truly in Jesus, those who are free are those who have overcome sin. or stopped breaking the commandments through faith in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus.
Jesus has said:
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Those who continue to break Gods law continue to sin. These are not free but held by the flesh. But when Jesus makes us free then we shall no longer be slaves to sin to do its will. But the blood of Jesus sanctifies us by faith in His work to save us.
It is notable that Paul makes it clear that it is the carnal flesh mind that is not subject to Gods law. John makes it clear that breaking the law is sin just like Paul says. He also makes it clear that sin is the work of the Devil. So who is it that gets a man to say its now ok to break one part of Gods law?
You say how dare you suggest this. But is it not true that Satan hates most those who keep Gods commandments?
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
IT is most clear that to suggest disobedience to even one of Gods 10 commandments is to do the work of Christ's greatest enemy. For Christ himself said:
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
The first time Paul uses this term in His epistle to the Romans He says this:
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Notice that the Law only speaks to those who are under the law so that "every" mouth may stop and "all the world" be guilty.
Notice that its all the world, every mouth.
Then it says this:
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Notice that it is by the law that we have a knowledge of sin. That includes the Sabbath of the 4th commandment. Now clearly no sane person would suggest that it was sin to keep the 7th day Sabbath or any other one of the commandments. So then it is clear that the law showed sin then by showing what is good. In fact Paul is clear on this point later in the epistle:
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Notice clearly that the law here shows Paul what sin is. It does so by stating what is good. This then also includes the 7th day Sabbath which is part of that law which shows what sin is by shewing what is good. None can ignore this plain fact.
So then what then did Paul mean by under the law? Does he mean that we should not keep it and that only those who keep it are under it? It can be demonstrated that this is not the case by Paul's own writing.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Notice that sin does not have dominion over us because we are not under the law. So not being under the law is connected with being free from sin. But note the next verse which says:
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
So we again notice that not being under the law does not mean we can sin. Knowing without doubt that Paul believes that the law shows sin by that which is good. It is clear then that He is against the Idea that not being under the law means we do not need to obey the law. Anyone claiming such things is clearly basing their ideas of a man made doctrine.
Paul makes it clear in the next verse when he says:
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Paul is clear you either sin, which is breaking the law or you obey which is keeping the law. The topic has not changed, Paul is following a line of thought. Obedience is clearly and most obviously the opposite of sin. And Paul without controversy is clear that sin is breaking the law. Thus it is clear that those who break the commandments are in sin.
This is obvious as even those who disregard the Sabbath as a shadow will agree that the law shows sin. It is most inconsistent to suggest that once Christ comes only nine of the commandments remain sin while one changes when there is not such command or change found in all of scripture. Jesus did not teach a change, the apostles did not teach a change.
Paul uses the term under the law multiple times. but it is demonstrated that this term does not and in fact can not mean that obedience to the law is done away with. Paul is dealing with the reality that salvation comes not from the law but Christ and his atoning sacrifice for our sins.
For as Paul states:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
It is easily demonstrated that Jesus did not come to do away with the law. Jesus mission was to save us from our sins as it is clearly seen here:
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
It is most clear throughout scripture that sin is breaking the law. Jesus came not to take the law out of the way but rather save us form sin which is breaking the law. John most convincingly speaks on this matter in like manner as Paul:
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Sin is lawlessness. Law breaking this includes the 7th day Sabbath.
Jesus came to free us form sin and the devil as it is written:
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Notice that Jesus was manifested for the very purpose of destroying the works of the Devil which is sin. Sin is breaking the law.
So if you find yourself trying to manipulate scripture to change Gods law that shows sin. Then is it not the carnal heart which is a deceiver as it is written:
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
And as Paul most clearly reveals that it is the carnal heart not the spiritual that resists the law:
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Then it is clear that those who are of the flesh resist Gods law and are not subject to it. Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments.
Jesus came to free us from sin. The law says to disregard the 7th day Sabbath is just as much sin as breaking any of the other nine commandments. It is the carnal heart that manipulates scripture to make sin ok. and it is most clear that those who are truly in Jesus, those who are free are those who have overcome sin. or stopped breaking the commandments through faith in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus.
Jesus has said:
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Those who continue to break Gods law continue to sin. These are not free but held by the flesh. But when Jesus makes us free then we shall no longer be slaves to sin to do its will. But the blood of Jesus sanctifies us by faith in His work to save us.
It is notable that Paul makes it clear that it is the carnal flesh mind that is not subject to Gods law. John makes it clear that breaking the law is sin just like Paul says. He also makes it clear that sin is the work of the Devil. So who is it that gets a man to say its now ok to break one part of Gods law?
You say how dare you suggest this. But is it not true that Satan hates most those who keep Gods commandments?
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
IT is most clear that to suggest disobedience to even one of Gods 10 commandments is to do the work of Christ's greatest enemy. For Christ himself said:
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Respecting our Father's will in obeying Him is not being under the law. The difference is obeying our Father as taught by Jesus Christ and His example. Here is a strainer given us by Jesus christ;
there are three points of the approach to the law that is completely overlooked by anyone who is "under the law." These three operative points are faith, mercy and justice.
When, if, you read the Word, the Gospels, see how Jesus Christ obeyed, and what He did in showing mercy instead of punishement from the law.
We who live in grace must obey according to Christ's teachings or we are disobedient, sons of disobedience. If we obey our parents in this age, how much more we should obey our Father Who gave His Only Son for our trespasses.
Do not confuse grace with license. Do not confuse obedience with being under the law. Learn the difference from Jesus Christ. He is clear on the matter.....people are not.
Blessed be our Lord and Salvation, Jesus Christ,amen,.
there are three points of the approach to the law that is completely overlooked by anyone who is "under the law." These three operative points are faith, mercy and justice.
When, if, you read the Word, the Gospels, see how Jesus Christ obeyed, and what He did in showing mercy instead of punishement from the law.
We who live in grace must obey according to Christ's teachings or we are disobedient, sons of disobedience. If we obey our parents in this age, how much more we should obey our Father Who gave His Only Son for our trespasses.
Do not confuse grace with license. Do not confuse obedience with being under the law. Learn the difference from Jesus Christ. He is clear on the matter.....people are not.
Blessed be our Lord and Salvation, Jesus Christ,amen,.