Yea your right the Masoretic texts were focused on later but during the first century everything was focused on the Greek manuscripts of the NT which is based on the teachings of Christ. That was the essential thing for salvation as a Christian so they worked on that first.
The King James Only Debate
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Yea your right the Masoretic texts were focused on later but during the first century everything was focused on the Greek manuscripts of the NT which is based on the teachings of Christ. That was the essential thing for salvation as a Christian so they worked on that first.
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Rictor Norton states he had sex with many men...testified to by love letters he wrote them
you think something like that is a secret?
no worries about the texts condemning homosexuality
homosexuals today just ignore them and say they are saved
I personally knew someone who said the relationship between David and Jonathan was a homosexual one
you think something like that is a secret?
no worries about the texts condemning homosexuality
homosexuals today just ignore them and say they are saved
I personally knew someone who said the relationship between David and Jonathan was a homosexual one
King James Version Only is a cult. It does not help Christ's cause and it causes too much division and claims that the KJV is the only word of God, which is not stated anywhere in the Bible in either testament, whether New or Old. If you like the KJV, so be it. But stop hating and going after those who read the NIV and other versions that are still the word of God since they are based on the copies which are about 90%+ accurate to the original manuscripts. The New World Translation and the Book of Mormon, and the Quran are not the word of God). Bible translations are done with the purpose to get as close to the original Hebrew and Greek as possible and the process will not end until Jesus Christ comes back again. New archaeological discoveries will continue to be made including the one that dated Leviticus even earlier then secular, non-conservative scholars wanted it to be. So stop this division in Jesus' name. It is not helpful, not desirable, and you spit in Jesus' face. Get out of the KJV-only state of mind and do not follow the KJV- only junk of Chick. His cartoons are great and show biblical truth, but his insistence on the KJV being the only word of God was off base. Repent, recant, and reconcile to God through Jesus Christ, his Son. What was present in the Hebrew Bible was not the Talmud, that was separate. In the Hebrew Bible was the Old Testament and that was it. The verses that you claim are missing, are not missing and are based on different Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. Also, a lot of them are put in footnotes, but do not add or subtract from any major doctrine of Christianity. God bless. 
Paul could probably read the ot in hebrew.
The folks in Corinth he was writing to probably couldn't.
Now, I understand your point, but still the King James Bible condemned homosexuality even with that other information being true. If he really wanted the Bible to be what he wanted it to be, it would not have condemned homosexuality but supported it like the perverted Queen James Bible does. God bless.
I am well aware of the arguments claiming corruption in bibles. It doesn't mean I agree or accept them as valid. If an evolutionist presents evidence supporting his view, it doesn't mean he's right either.
I would encourage you to find the evidence for yourself. You are far more likely to accept it direct from the sources than from me. James White's The King James Only Controversy is a good start.
Once again, your meaning is difficult to determine, because your sentence structure is poor. This isn't a slight on you personally, just an area in which you could improve significantly.
If you want to quote the Preface to the Reader from the 1611 KJV, then do so... and read the part where it declares that, as Augustine said, it is profitable to study several different translations to get the full meaning of a passage... and the part where it says that even the meanest translation of the word of God is still the word of God. The Preface is no friend to the KJVo philosophy.
If I've understood your wording correctly, you are claiming that the KJV was translated from "the original manuscripts". That would be incorrect, because it (the NT anyway) was translated from published Greek editions, not from manuscripts.
By the way, why would I give two hoots what "the masons" (I presume you mean "Freemasons") say? They aren't a valid source of anything except perhaps information on the occult garbage they propagate. Their comments mean little to me.
The very earliest Christians were Jews, yes. As the gospel expanded, many Greek-speaking gentiles believed.
Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria,
and to the ends of the earth.”
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Regardless of which Bible you prefer you would still have to use a Bible right? So what makes you think the WORD or BIBLE you occupy is not corrupted?
King James Version Only is a cult. It does not help Christ's cause and it causes too much division and claims that the KJV is the only word of God, which is not stated anywhere in the Bible in either testament, whether New or Old. If you like the KJV, so be it. But stop hating and going after those who read the NIV and other versions that are still the word of God since they are based on the copies which are about 90%+ accurate to the original manuscripts. The New World Translation and the Book of Mormon, and the Quran are not the word of God). Bible translations are done with the purpose to get as close to the original Hebrew and Greek as possible and the process will not end until Jesus Christ comes back again. New archaeological discoveries will continue to be made including the one that dated Leviticus even earlier then secular, non-conservative scholars wanted it to be. So stop this division in Jesus' name. It is not helpful, not desirable, and you spit in Jesus' face. Get out of the KJV-only state of mind and do not follow the KJV- only junk of Chick. His cartoons are great and show biblical truth, but his insistence on the KJV being the only word of God was off base. Repent, recant, and reconcile to God through Jesus Christ, his Son. What was present in the Hebrew Bible was not the Talmud, that was separate. In the Hebrew Bible was the Old Testament and that was it. The verses that you claim are missing, are not missing and are based on different Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. Also, a lot of them are put in footnotes, but do not add or subtract from any major doctrine of Christianity. God bless.
Regardless of which Bible you prefer you would still have to use a Bible right? So what makes you think the WORD or BIBLE you occupy is not corrupted?
Yes! they focused on the NT... so a person doesn't have to have a perfect entire Bible in order to grow and have things to chew on.
you misquote text in scripture to support your opinion none of those text say the KJV or any version is the absolute truth, and you know this... by your logic the fact is no translation or transliteration from Hebrew to English or Koine Greek to English is possible without some of the meaning being lost or altered so by your logic any bible unless its in the original language is invalid and that is simply not the case. often times folks will twist the text to fit their own pet doctrine to substantiate their belief this is NOT proper use of scripture, we are instead to form our beliefs on what is taught in the biblical text in its context... any student of the truth knows this and should be taught the practice of it if they do not know it
. again I respectfully challenge you to show me in the biblical text (in context) exactly where directly it states the KJV is superior to ANY other. and until you do frankly all else is opinion and supposition... isn't there enough of that ?
I agree with you whole-heartedly.
Many define "spiritual" as something greater than themselves. But as Christians our "spirituality" is in how well we are in tocuh with the living Christ and His Father.
How would you explain the differences in verses of modern bibles to a ethnicity, stereotypical of slavery? All the MAJOR changes of the KJV has been Catholic influenced from these codex "mysteriously" resurfacing from monasteries or temples being kept by monks. The same Roman Catholics who were inspired to do missionary works like the Jesuits, Crusaders, Knights Templars, Freemasons all under the Papacy.
Which resulted in owning slaves of the Africans & Indigenous people justifying them with "Christianity". That reputation has stained ALL of Christianity with minorities, now they look at Christians as racist white folks or brainwashed indoctrinated minorities all following the "white man's religion" of the blonde hair, blue eyes paintings of Jesus Christ.
Which religion do they mostly turn to now? The religion of Islam bc they feel more "accepted". With reputations as the KKK & Hitler ( who was a baptized skeptic catholic NOT christian) the subject of slavery in MOSTLY all moden bibles is a harsh topic. When in the preserved KJV version the word "slave" isn't even mention that ik of.
Ephesians 6:5 - Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
1 Peter 2:18 - Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
Titus (2:9-10) - Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.
Leviticus (25:44-46) - Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Which resulted in owning slaves of the Africans & Indigenous people justifying them with "Christianity". That reputation has stained ALL of Christianity with minorities, now they look at Christians as racist white folks or brainwashed indoctrinated minorities all following the "white man's religion" of the blonde hair, blue eyes paintings of Jesus Christ.
Which religion do they mostly turn to now? The religion of Islam bc they feel more "accepted". With reputations as the KKK & Hitler ( who was a baptized skeptic catholic NOT christian) the subject of slavery in MOSTLY all moden bibles is a harsh topic. When in the preserved KJV version the word "slave" isn't even mention that ik of.
Ephesians 6:5 - Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
1 Peter 2:18 - Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
Titus (2:9-10) - Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.
Leviticus (25:44-46) - Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Then you must admit that we don't have truth. Right? If only the "originals" can be considered truth, then we don't have truth. What are we to live by(Matthew 4:4)? Where's the word of truth that will sanctify us(John 17:17)?
I'm sure he 'got it' as in got the meaning. Is that the key? if a person gets the right meaning from a book, then that's what they should use as a Bible?
but.... Peter was Jewish... in Corinth it was probably mostly gentiles.
The Gentiles didn't come in until Paul.
CLV Ga 2:7 But, on the contrary, perceiving that I have been entrusted with the evangel of the Uncircumcision,
8. according as Peter of the Circumcision (for He Who operates in Peter for the apostleship of the Circumcision operates in me also for the nations),
What English version are you using?
I doubt King James even read the bible. He was too busy playing with the little boys.
He was king. The English beleived that he was appointed by God... divinly.
That would have absolved him of any consequences from God. He would go to heaven regardless.
The KJV had nothing to do with King James except for giving the green light for the SCHOLARS to make it which they took 7 years. Whether the man was a homo mattered not if he didn't even contribute to the editing or revisions. Plus I doubt he was a sodomite.