The King James Only Debate
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I accept all judgements but either way I am held accountable to God not man
Isaiah 54:17 - No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
Romans (8:33-34) - Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Isaiah 54:17 - No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
Romans (8:33-34) - Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Yes, and? I would defend the word of God the same way you would... by discussing our relationship with God through Christ, who took the form of a "doulos" (Greek for "slave") in order to pay our penalty. By the way, your vaunted KJV has "servant", not "slave" here. I'm still not clear on why you're arguing this point here. Perhaps start a new thread on the issue of slavery rather than mixing things up with the KJVo thread. 
Having seen and heard some of her ideas, I have no respect for the work of Gail Riplinger. I find her closed-minded and lacking scholarly integrity. Call me brainwashed if you like... I take it whence it comes.
Erasmus was a Catholic (there's that conspiracy thing again). He used the Vulgate for portions of Revelation, for which he could not find other sources. He made five different editions, all of which were used in the translation of the KJV, along with the work of Stephanus and Beza.
Having seen and heard some of her ideas, I have no respect for the work of Gail Riplinger. I find her closed-minded and lacking scholarly integrity. Call me brainwashed if you like... I take it whence it comes.
Erasmus was a Catholic (there's that conspiracy thing again). He used the Vulgate for portions of Revelation, for which he could not find other sources. He made five different editions, all of which were used in the translation of the KJV, along with the work of Stephanus and Beza.
All the texts of the Septuagint base from the "Letter of Aristeas" where the supposed librarian of the Greek Pharaoh, Ptomely 2 Philadelphus asked the high priest for the Hebrew Bible ( Old Testament) to be translated into Greek for the Alexandrian Jews.
Along with, 72 Jewish scholars put in separate cells where they "miraculously" translated word for word the same. So they claim this Septuagint texts existed in the time of Christ & that he used that instead of the preserved Masoretic texts.
Aristeas claims to be Greek court official sent by the "librarian" Demetrius to gather the Hebrew scholars & naming them but they do not match as hebrew names but rather Greek names in the Maccabean era. Demetrius, the supposed librarian in fact, was never librarian of the pharaoh, only served in his court.
In Aristeas 7:14, Ptomely the pharaoh tells Demetrius & the jewish scholars how wonderful it is that they came on fhe anniversary of his naval victory over Antigonus". When the ONLY recorded Egyptian naval victory happened many years after Demetrius death, proving it to be a hoax.
Many Christian scholars claim that Jesus used the septuagint in his time but that contradicts scriptures (see below) where a jot is a hebrew letter & a tittle being a small mark to distingius between hebrew letters. Also, Jesus only mentioned the scriptures in the traditional hebrew way Torah (Law), Nevi'im (prophets), Ketuvim (writings).
Matthew 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
The reason these texts are still being brought up is of what I said earlier the Roman Catholics & Othodox desperatly want them to be genuinely inspired bc it goes with their doctrine. 45 Alexandrian manuscripts vs the 5,000 Greek manuscripts favoring the textus receptus. The septuagint texts are the ones that started to canonize the apocryphas forcing you to accept everything that the doctrine contains which are leading many protestants to Rome.
"…the Septuagint, the Greek translation from the original Hebrew, and which contained all the writings now found in the Douay version, as it is called, was the version used by the Saviour and his Apostles and by the Church from her infancy, and translated into Latin, known under the title of Latin Vulgate, and ever recognized as the true version of the written word of God" —Preface,1914 edition.
Thanks man, and the OT of the KJV uses hebrew texts the NT of the KJV uses Koine Greek as well so it's not anything different. Other Bible uses texts made from the Catholic propaganda like Sinaiitcus I haven't studied the Vaticanus yet but Ik it was resufaced from monks in Catholic temples.
Along with, 72 Jewish scholars put in separate cells where they "miraculously" translated word for word the same. So they claim this Septuagint texts existed in the time of Christ & that he used that instead of the preserved Masoretic texts.
Aristeas claims to be Greek court official sent by the "librarian" Demetrius to gather the Hebrew scholars & naming them but they do not match as hebrew names but rather Greek names in the Maccabean era. Demetrius, the supposed librarian in fact, was never librarian of the pharaoh, only served in his court.
In Aristeas 7:14, Ptomely the pharaoh tells Demetrius & the jewish scholars how wonderful it is that they came on fhe anniversary of his naval victory over Antigonus". When the ONLY recorded Egyptian naval victory happened many years after Demetrius death, proving it to be a hoax.
Many Christian scholars claim that Jesus used the septuagint in his time but that contradicts scriptures (see below) where a jot is a hebrew letter & a tittle being a small mark to distingius between hebrew letters. Also, Jesus only mentioned the scriptures in the traditional hebrew way Torah (Law), Nevi'im (prophets), Ketuvim (writings).
Matthew 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
The reason these texts are still being brought up is of what I said earlier the Roman Catholics & Othodox desperatly want them to be genuinely inspired bc it goes with their doctrine. 45 Alexandrian manuscripts vs the 5,000 Greek manuscripts favoring the textus receptus. The septuagint texts are the ones that started to canonize the apocryphas forcing you to accept everything that the doctrine contains which are leading many protestants to Rome.
"…the Septuagint, the Greek translation from the original Hebrew, and which contained all the writings now found in the Douay version, as it is called, was the version used by the Saviour and his Apostles and by the Church from her infancy, and translated into Latin, known under the title of Latin Vulgate, and ever recognized as the true version of the written word of God" —Preface,1914 edition.
Thanks man, and the OT of the KJV uses hebrew texts the NT of the KJV uses Koine Greek as well so it's not anything different. Other Bible uses texts made from the Catholic propaganda like Sinaiitcus I haven't studied the Vaticanus yet but Ik it was resufaced from monks in Catholic temples.
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You guys need to study Scripture way more........do you not know what John 3:16-A says?
For God so loved the world, that He sent the King James Version of the Holy Bible, so that whosoever believeth it is the ONLY TRUE BIBLE may not perish, but have everlasting access to the Throne Library of Scrolls.
For God so loved the world, that He sent the King James Version of the Holy Bible, so that whosoever believeth it is the ONLY TRUE BIBLE may not perish, but have everlasting access to the Throne Library of Scrolls.
How!
Not being snarky..........seriously, how? We ALL must be Spiritually fed to grow in Christ.
Not saying they wouldn't be saved, but not sure they would ever grow past being fed with milk and honey.........don't see them maturing to the level of the Spiritual believer that feasts on the meat of the Word of God.
Yes, and? I would defend the word of God the same way you would... by discussing our relationship with God through Christ, who took the form of a "doulos" (Greek for "slave") in order to pay our penalty. By the way, your vaunted KJV has "servant", not "slave" here. I'm still not clear on why you're arguing this point here. Perhaps start a new thread on the issue of slavery rather than mixing things up with the KJVo thread.
Having seen and heard some of her ideas, I have no respect for the work of Gail Riplinger. I find her closed-minded and lacking scholarly integrity. Call me brainwashed if you like... I take it whence it comes.
Erasmus was a Catholic (there's that conspiracy thing again). He used the Vulgate for portions of Revelation, for which he could not find other sources. He made five different editions, all of which were used in the translation of the KJV, along with the work of Stephanus and Beza.
Having seen and heard some of her ideas, I have no respect for the work of Gail Riplinger. I find her closed-minded and lacking scholarly integrity. Call me brainwashed if you like... I take it whence it comes.
Erasmus was a Catholic (there's that conspiracy thing again). He used the Vulgate for portions of Revelation, for which he could not find other sources. He made five different editions, all of which were used in the translation of the KJV, along with the work of Stephanus and Beza.
Yea i can say the same about James White that's why we don't agree. Can you tell me why?!?! Would it be ok to use another Bible and act like if its not corrupted (ANY NON-KJV IS ACCEPTABLE TO BE BROUGHT UP)
Bro Erasmus was a Catholic scholar who very much disgareed with the teachings of the papacy. Bro he's close friend was German Luther and you can't even say " he he was a catholic" bc like you said he wasn't the only one or last to edit (which really he majorily publsihed) the greek manuscripts. Gail Riplinger brings evidence about this but she's not the only one to have done so.
https://www.chick.com/ask/articles/erasmus.asp?FROM=biblecenter
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=LLWwjYDeCFFF8WgLzyX1JNRg&v=pljkPAwklK8
I believe God uses his spirit.
ROMANS 8:9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.
and,
ROMANS 8:14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.
ROMANS 8:9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.
and,
ROMANS 8:14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.
Septuagint can be translated as 72, which, of course, refers to the 72 Jewish scholars.
I often thought that the original NT was written in Hebrew, as most of the early Christians were Jews.
I don't use the Septuagint myself. I use the Ancient Greek text for NT and the Tanakh for the OT. It was around before Jesus even came.
As you can probably tell, I am not a big fan of the KJV. I have found too many "mistakes" in it.
Ok......
I also very much believe in the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit........but that does not absolve us of studying God's Word.......rather, when we study God's Word, it is the Holy Spirit who imparts understanding to us....
That's just me...........sooooooooooo
God gave us the Scriptures for a purpose.........if they were not important to us/for us, He would not have given them to us would He?
It reminds me of the folks in Acts who were believed and were water baptized but knew nothing of the Holy Spirit. A person could give their life to Christ, and receive God's amazing grace, and forgiveness of their sin(s), but then, there is the next step.....which is Sanctification, and that comes as described in Acts.
(my thoughts)
I also very much believe in the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit........but that does not absolve us of studying God's Word.......rather, when we study God's Word, it is the Holy Spirit who imparts understanding to us....
That's just me...........sooooooooooo
God gave us the Scriptures for a purpose.........if they were not important to us/for us, He would not have given them to us would He?
It reminds me of the folks in Acts who were believed and were water baptized but knew nothing of the Holy Spirit. A person could give their life to Christ, and receive God's amazing grace, and forgiveness of their sin(s), but then, there is the next step.....which is Sanctification, and that comes as described in Acts.
(my thoughts)