Can the Trinity be Biblically proven?

[valiant]

Look. If Jesus was God He would have said so plainly...

Wrong. Jesus wanted His Godhead to be known only by those to whom the Father revealed it.

CLV Jn 18:20 And Jesus answered him, "I with boldness have spoken to the world. I always teach in a synagogue and in the sanctuary where all the Jews are coming together, and in hiding I speak nothing.

well?

All this splitting hairs means nothing.

try to remember it.

If there was a "trinity" the Jews of His time would have known about it. And the Jews did not, nor do they today. I am talking about the Orthodox Jews.

They knew that He was claiming to be God. But they were not ready to listen. Their minds were closed, as yours is. They are STILL blind to the truth.

There is no "trinity" in the Scriptures. Jesus never called Himself God.

The triune God is clearly revealed in the New Testament, consider for example:

Jesus said, 'That all may honour the Son AS they honour the Father. He who does not honour the Son (as they honour the Father), does not honour the Father Who sent Him.' John 5.23


Equal honour = equal standing.


“For as the Father has life in Himself, so has He given the Son to have life in Himself” John 5.26


To have life in Himself demonstrates His equality with the Father.


Jesus answered them, “MY Father is working still and I am working.” This was why the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also called God His own Father, making Himself equal with God John 5.17-18


No one had ever spoken of MY Father before. As they realised it was a claim to deity.


“Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” John 8.58


I AM was the revealed Name of YHWH


Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father and we will be satisfied.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you do not know Me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, Show us the Father. John 14.9


Read in context this can only mean that to have seen Him was to have seen God.


“And this is life eternal, that they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ Whom You have sent – and now, Father, glorify Me with the glory which I had with You before the world was” (John 17.5)


John said, 'In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was face to face with God, and What God was the Word was, – and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1.1, 14).


The risen Jesus said, “Baptising them in the (one) Name (YHWH) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” Matthew 28.19


And for us there is ONE GOD, the Father, from Whom are all things and for Whom we exist, and ONE LORD through Whom are all things and through Whom we exist 1 Corinthians 8.6 (in contrast with the many gods and lords)


He is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstBORN before the whole of creation Colossians 1.15


In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form Colossians 2.9


Awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ Titus 2.13


When the goodness and kindness of God our Saviour appeared, – which He poured out upon us through Jesus Christ our Saviour Titus 3.4, 6


In the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ – of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ 2 Peter 1.1 ,11 (exactly parallel in the Greek).


Who being the outshining of His glory and the exact representation of His substance Heb 1.3


He is the SON in contrast to all angels Heb 1.4 following.


Thomas called Him, “my LORD and my God”. John 20.28


He is the Son of God – He is 'His Son' --- He is 'MY Son' (Matt 3.17; 17.5; 21.27) – He is 'The Son' (John 5.19 and often) – He is the only Son of the God (John 1.18; 3.16) – He is the only Son of the Father (John 1.14) --- He is the First and the Last, the Living One (Rev 1.17) --- He is the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End (Rev 22.13), --- He is the Holy One (John 6.69; Acts 13.35) – He is the LORD (YHWH) (often)--- He is the Lord of Glory (1 Cor 2.8) – He is our great God and Saviour (Tit 2.13) --- He is the image of the invisible God (Col 1.15) – He is the outshining of His glory and the express image of His substance (Heb 1.3) --- In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form (Col 2.9).


He is omnipresent (Heb 1.3; Matt 18.20; 28.29), He is omniscient (Matt 11.27), He is judge of the living and the dead (2 Tim 4.1), He will bring about the resurrection (John 5.25-29), men call on His Name (1 Cor 1.1-2; Acts 7.59).

Only in the imaginations of some people.

Yes those to whom the Father has revealed it.

 

[notbythesword]

Ok sword let's examine what you have said in your other post to me? :I’m not sure if you remember, but I personally believe that Jesus pre-existed with the Father before His being sent into this world in bodily form. To your last questions regarding Genesis 17:1-2 and Genesis 22, I view it as God speaking. However, I do believe that God can speak “through” people and divine beings. This is shown with prophets, angels, and Christ Himself.

And this is what your saying in this post: "Before Jesus entered into this world as a man, He was in the same/equal form as the Father. We are flesh and blood, but Jesus was of spiritual form." Remember I gave you Genesis 17:1,2, "Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD APPEARED to Abram and said to him, I, AM GOD ALMIGHTY; Walk before Me and be blameless, vs2 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you, And I will multiply you exceedingly."

It explicity states that the Lord God appeared to Abram and furhtermore this was a physical appearance of God to Abram. And since Jesus Christ Himself stated at John 5:47, John 6:46 states that God the Father cannot be seen then who appeared to Abram that is clearly identified as God? I know you said it was perhaps angels, prophets, and even Christ Himself. I also want to know in what form was Jesus Christ before His incarnation as a man? I say He was in the "form" of God based on Philippians 2:6 which explicityl states that "although" (which means in spite of the fact) He/Jesus always existed as God and then He takes the "form" of a man.

Now, I also mentioned Genesis 22 and ask you who spoke from heaven, Genesis 22:11 and at vs15 where the angel of the Lord called out from heaven two times. What does he say at Genesis 22:16, 17 sword? And why does not God Himself call out from heaven instead of having the angel of the Lord do it? God called out from heaven at Exodus 20:22. He also called out from heaven at Mark 1:11, "and a voice came out of the heavens, Thou art My beloved Son, in Thee I am well-pleased." Did God at Genesis 22 have laryngitis?

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto

Yes bluto, I too believe that Jesus was in the same spiritual form (not power) as the Father prior to God sending Him into this world. However, you assuming that Jesus has “always existed as God”, based upon Philippians 2:6, is a bit of verse seasoning to me. You’re reading your doctrine into that passage and adding a little extra flavor.

For instance, how does not having a physical body, but being in spiritual “form” (the same/equal as the Father), mean that Jesus was God? You think having the same form means having the same power? Also, where in that verse do you see Him “always” existing like that? I feel that these may be your preconceived assumptions, but it’s why I posted 1415…to show a contrast.

I’ll get to your Abraham and Genesis 22 points in a minute, but before we go down another rabbit hole, I am still waiting for the answer that you said you would provide. In Mark 14:62, what is the “Power” that Jesus is sitting to the right of? I really don’t need a paragraph for an answer this time…just a simple identification please. Thanks.

Mark 14:62 - “I am,” said Jesus, “and all of you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

 

[BigD9832]

Wrong. Jesus wanted His Godhead to be known only by those to whom the Father revealed it.

You think that if Jesus was God He would not have told anyone?


You don't know him very well, do you?

 

[BigD9832]

Who do you think Jesus told that He was God?

 

[bluto]

Well sword, why did you not give me Mark 14:62 in the first place? This is during the trial of Jesus Christ and it is spelled out in more detail at Matthew 26 where the high preist Caiaphas ask Jesus to swear an oath whether He/Jesus was (1) the Christ/Messiah and (2) the Son of God. Jesus said at Luke 22:70, "Yes, I am." And then the high priest tore his robes and say "You have heard the blasphemy."

Why sword is it blasphemy to claim to be the Messiah/Christ and claim to be the Son of God? For your information in the case of Jesus Christ it is not blasphemy because that's who He is. And getting back to Mark 14:62 Jesus is quoting Daniel the prophet at Daniel 7:13 and the point being made by Jesus is the fact that it was Gods' power that raised Him from the dead and that same power will be demonstrated at the second coming of Jesus Christ.

I know what your trying to do sword? Your trying to say if Jesus is God then how come it is God the Father's power while Jesus is just sitting around at the right hand of His Father? Now, you said this: "Yes bluto, I too believe that Jesus was in the same spiritual form (not power) as the Father prior to God sending Him into this world. However, you assuming that Jesus has “always existed as God”, based upon Philippians 2:6, is a bit of verse seasoning to me. You’re reading your doctrine into that passage and adding a little extra flavor."

First of all I don't need Philippians 2:6 to prove Jesus Christ pre-existed His incarnation as a man. In fact, I have much more solid proof and it is "NOT" an assumption on my part. Assumption is the mother of all "screwups." There was a reason why I gave you Genesis 17:1,2 and Genesis 22. I could have also given you Genesis 16:7 or Genesis 18:1 through the end of the chapter.

As Genesis 17:1,2 clearly states it was the Lord God who physically appeard to Abram stating He was the Lord God Almighty. I also said according to Jesus Christ Himself God the Father cannot be seen. Secondly, according to the New Testament who is the physical manifestation of God? Consider John 1:18 and/or John 14:9. If you want I can give other verses but for now let's just stick with those two references.


Now, I ask you who called out from heaven two times at Genesis 22? You did not answer because you were waiting for me to address Mark 14:62 which I just did. So now it's your turn address my question? Who called out from heaven two times at Genesis 22 and what did He say? Please read Genesis 22:11-19 and tell me what He said?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[bluto]

Who do you think Jesus told that He was God?

He didn't have to tell anybody bigd? And let's say for the sake of argument Jesus said these words point blank, " I am God?" Would you believe Him? In fact, you tell me what He could say or even do to convince you that He is God? Go ahead, I'll wait while you think about it.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[notbythesword]

Wrong. Jesus wanted His Godhead to be known only by those to whom the Father revealed it.

That’s a common excuse typically given by certain doctrinal denominations, just to get around the fact that their doctrine is so lacking. It’s typically based on Matthew 11:27.

Matthew 11:27 All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son desires to reveal Him.

So they use this verse and say things like “see see, it just hasn’t been revealed to you yet”. Like this would give any credence to their personal doctrine anyway. Anyone from any denomination could use this type of reasoning to try and justify their beliefs.

While yes, it is true that only the Son knows the Father, and who the Son chooses to reveal the Father unto will know Him, but we can see who this might be from Matthew 7:7-8.

Matthew 7:7-8 “Keep asking, and it will be given to you. Keep searching, and you will find. Keep knocking, and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who searches finds, and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

Is this too broad, too merciful? Does God actually only want a select number of us to be saved?

1 Timothy 2:4 who wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord does not delay His promise, as some understand delay, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish but all to come to repentance.

Matthew 18:14 In the same way, it is not the will of your Father in heaven that one of these little ones perish.

John 6:39 This is the will of Him who sent Me: that I should lose none of those He has given Me but should raise them up on the last day.

 

[notbythesword]

Well sword, why did you not give me Mark 14:62 in the first place? This is during the trial of Jesus Christ and it is spelled out in more detail at Matthew 26 where the high preist Caiaphas ask Jesus to swear an oath whether He/Jesus was (1) the Christ/Messiah and (2) the Son of God. Jesus said at Luke 22:70, "Yes, I am." And then the high priest tore his robes and say "You have heard the blasphemy."

Why sword is it blasphemy to claim to be the Messiah/Christ and claim to be the Son of God? For your information in the case of Jesus Christ it is not blasphemy because that's who He is. And getting back to Mark 14:62 Jesus is quoting Daniel the prophet at Daniel 7:13 and the point being made by Jesus is the fact that it was Gods' power that raised Him from the dead and that same power will be demonstrated at the second coming of Jesus Christ.

I know what your trying to do sword? Your trying to say if Jesus is God then how come it is God the Father's power while Jesus is just sitting around at the right hand of His Father? Now, you said this: "Yes bluto, I too believe that Jesus was in the same spiritual form (not power) as the Father prior to God sending Him into this world. However, you assuming that Jesus has “always existed as God”, based upon Philippians 2:6, is a bit of verse seasoning to me. You’re reading your doctrine into that passage and adding a little extra flavor."

First of all I don't need Philippians 2:6 to prove Jesus Christ pre-existed His incarnation as a man. In fact, I have much more solid proof and it is "NOT" an assumption on my part. Assumption is the mother of all "screwups." There was a reason why I gave you Genesis 17:1,2 and Genesis 22. I could have also given you Genesis 16:7 or Genesis 18:1 through the end of the chapter.

As Genesis 17:1,2 clearly states it was the Lord God who physically appeard to Abram stating He was the Lord God Almighty. I also said according to Jesus Christ Himself God the Father cannot be seen. Secondly, according to the New Testament who is the physical manifestation of God? Consider John 1:18 and/or John 14:9. If you want I can give other verses but for now let's just stick with those two references.


Now, I ask you who called out from heaven two times at Genesis 22? You did not answer because you were waiting for me to address Mark 14:62 which I just did. So now it's your turn address my question? Who called out from heaven two times at Genesis 22 and what did He say? Please read Genesis 22:11-19 and tell me what He said?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Bluto, this will now be the fourth time that I try to get a straight answer out of you. Please just give me a straight answer this time. In Mark 14:62…What is the “Power” that Jesus is sitting to the right of?

 

[bluto]

Can't you read sword, this is the answser I gave you and I can't help it if you don't like the answer. "And getting back to Mark 14:62 Jesus is quoting Daniel the prophet at Daniel 7:13 "AND THE POINT BEING MADE BY JESUS IS THE FACT THAT IT WAS GODS POWER THAT RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD AND THE SAME POWER WILL BE DEMONSTRATED AT THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS CHRIST."

This is my "straight" answer sword so suppose you tell me what you think it means? And don't forget to address my post, if you can?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[notbythesword]

Can't you read sword, this is the answser I gave you and I can't help it if you don't like the answer. "And getting back to Mark 14:62 Jesus is quoting Daniel the prophet at Daniel 7:13 "AND THE POINT BEING MADE BY JESUS IS THE FACT THAT IT WAS GODS POWER THAT RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD AND THE SAME POWER WILL BE DEMONSTRATED AT THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS CHRIST."

This is my "straight" answer sword so suppose you tell me what you think it means? And don't forget to address my post, if you can?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

LOL. Wow bluto. You really can’t give a name, can you? A simple cut and dry answer…a simple name given. Let’s look at your last response after the third time of me asking you “what is the power that Jesus is sitting to the right of” was. I asked you for a straight answer this time and that I didn’t need you to give me another paragraph. You gave me this as an answer.

“And getting back to Mark 14:62 Jesus is quoting Daniel the prophet at Daniel 7:13 and the point being made by Jesus is the fact that it was Gods' power that raised Him from the dead and that same power will be demonstrated at the second coming of Jesus Christ. I know what your trying to do sword? Your trying to say if Jesus is God then how come it is God the Father's power while Jesus is just sitting around at the right hand of His Father?”

Do you honestly expect me or anyone else reading this, to accept that as a legitimate straight forward answer to my question that I had to ask three times? I mean honestly it’s ridiculous. You have discredited yourself. And since you continue to refuse to give an answer, I will provide it for you.

Matthew 20:23 So He said to them, “You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father.”

Psalm 110:1 The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

1 Peter 3:22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

Hebrews 12:2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Acts 7:55-56 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”

Ephesians 1:17-21 I pray that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, would give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him. I pray that the perception of your mind may be enlightened so you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the glorious riches of His inheritance among the saints, and what is the immeasurable greatness of His power to us who believe, according to the working of His vast strength. He demonstrated this power in the Messiah by raising Him from the dead and seating Him at His right hand in the heavens—far above every ruler and authority, power and dominion, and every title given, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

 

[bluto]

LOL. Wow bluto. You really can’t give a name, can you? A simple cut and dry answer…a simple name given. Let’s look at your last response after the third time of me asking you “what is the power that Jesus is sitting to the right of” was. I asked you for a straight answer this time and that I didn’t need you to give me another paragraph. You gave me this as an answer.

“And getting back to Mark 14:62 Jesus is quoting Daniel the prophet at Daniel 7:13 and the point being made by Jesus is the fact that it was Gods' power that raised Him from the dead and that same power will be demonstrated at the second coming of Jesus Christ. I know what your trying to do sword? Your trying to say if Jesus is God then how come it is God the Father's power while Jesus is just sitting around at the right hand of His Father?”

Do you honestly expect me or anyone else reading this, to accept that as a legitimate straight forward answer to my question that I had to ask three times? I mean honestly it’s ridiculous. You have discredited yourself. And since you continue to refuse to give an answer, I will provide it for you.

Matthew 20:23 So He said to them, “You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father.”

Psalm 110:1 The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

1 Peter 3:22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

Hebrews 12:2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Acts 7:55-56 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”

Ephesians 1:17-21 I pray that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, would give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him. I pray that the perception of your mind may be enlightened so you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the glorious riches of His inheritance among the saints, and what is the immeasurable greatness of His power to us who believe, according to the working of His vast strength. He demonstrated this power in the Messiah by raising Him from the dead and seating Him at His right hand in the heavens—far above every ruler and authority, power and dominion, and every title given, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

Excuse me sword, but you just gave me seven paragraphs and not one of them gave me a name? And your chiding me? As I said, the right hand of power is God. In fact, you agree with me since you said the same thing here: "and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!” Acts 7:55,56.

Furthermore sword, if you would have taken the trouble of reading the rest of Acts, specifically vs58-60 you would have discoved that Stephen with his dying breathe said, "And they went on stoning Stephen as he called upon the Lord and said, "LORD JESUS, RFECEIV E MY SPIRIT!" So can you please explain to all of us here why Stephen upon his death would call on Jesus Christ to receive his spirit when you deny that Jesus Christ is God? Why would he call upon a man only?

And I'm still waiting for you to address Genesis 17 and Genesis 22?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[BigD9832]

He didn't have to tell anybody bigd? And let's say for the sake of argument Jesus said these words point blank, " I am God?" Would you believe Him? In fact, you tell me what He could say or even do to convince you that He is God? Go ahead, I'll wait while you think about it.

You can wait til "hell" freezes over, it makes no difference to me.


How come you are so concerned with what I beleive?


Still, the fact remains, Jesus never said He was God. The Jews (of Jesus time, and even of today) do not have a "trinity." "Trinity" was a Catholic invention.


Have you ever tracked the evolution of the doctrine of "trinity"?


Oh, I'm sorry. You don't understand that statement, do you?


bluto - was he Popey's nemesis?

 

[bluto]

You can wait til "hell" freezes over, it makes no difference to me.


How come you are so concerned with what I beleive?


Still, the fact remains, Jesus never said He was God. The Jews (of Jesus time, and even of today) do not have a "trinity." "Trinity" was a Catholic invention.


Have you ever tracked the evolution of the doctrine of "trinity"?


Oh, I'm sorry. You don't understand that statement, do you?


bluto - was he Popey's nemesis?

You ask me the following question? "How come you are so concerned with what I beleive?" Because I fear for your soul and because I love you for Christs' sake, that's why? Why are you here?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[BigD9832]

You ask me the following question? "How come you are so concerned with what I beleive?" Because I fear for your soul and because I love you for Christs' sake, that's why? Why are you here?

Why are you here? What are your beleifs? You have no reason to fear for my soul. All souls die, according to the Scriptures.


I think you are just plain nosey. I don't think you are capable of that kind of love. I think you are covering something up. I think you are hiding something.


I don't know what traumatized you so much, but it has nothing to do with me.

 

[notbythesword]

Excuse me sword, but you just gave me seven paragraphs and not one of them gave me a name? And your chiding me? As I said, the right hand of power is God. In fact, you agree with me since you said the same thing here: "and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!” Acts 7:55,56.

Furthermore sword, if you would have taken the trouble of reading the rest of Acts, specifically vs58-60 you would have discoved that Stephen with his dying breathe said, "And they went on stoning Stephen as he called upon the Lord and said, "LORD JESUS, RFECEIV E MY SPIRIT!" So can you please explain to all of us here why Stephen upon his death would call on Jesus Christ to receive his spirit when you deny that Jesus Christ is God? Why would he call upon a man only?

And I'm still waiting for you to address Genesis 17 and Genesis 22?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

The “Power” is the Father bluto. I think deep down inside you already knew that, you just didn’t want to have to say it. I thought that by highlighting it in red, it would have been obvious. And no, the right hand of power is not God. God is the Power to which Jesus sits to the right of. I don’t know where you got “the right hand of power is God” from. Seems like word games to me.

Anyways, I’m going to take a break from this room for a while. I might come back later.

 

[bluto]

Why are you here? What are your beleifs? You have no reason to fear for my soul. All souls die, according to the Scriptures.


I think you are just plain nosey. I don't think you are capable of that kind of love. I think you are covering something up. I think you are hiding something.


I don't know what traumatized you so much, but it has nothing to do with me.

Oh your a funny boy bigd? How did you figure out that I was "nosey, incapable of love, I'm covering something up, I'm hiding something, and I'm also traumatized." Did you use your superman powers with a backward S to come to that conclusion?

And my purpose here is to engage theological and Biblically clueless people like yourself and, by challenging your claims, get you to expose the errors of your assumptions, inferences and conclusions for any interested parties to see for themselves. I want to thank you for assisting me. Now run along and see if you can save "Metropolis" since you have nothing else better to do in your "fantasy" world.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Quasar92]

You think that if Jesus was God He would not have told anyone?


You don't know him very well, do you?

Hello BigD,

We seem to end up in the same places. It has been quite a number of years, hasn't it?

Take care.

Quasar92

 

[prodigal]

Why are you here? What are your beleifs? You have no reason to fear for my soul. All souls die, according to the Scriptures.


I think you are just plain nosey. I don't think you are capable of that kind of love. I think you are covering something up. I think you are hiding something.


I don't know what traumatized you so much, but it has nothing to do with me.

all souls die, scripture please, sounds like more meology from a twistian

 

[prodigal]

john 17

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 

[Susanna]

John 11:26

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.