A few facts about the two lines of manuscripts taken from Where did the King James Bible come from?. Emphasis is mine - bold and underline.
The King James Only Debate
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Foolish and contradictory? Do you really expect to be taken seriously when you make such statements without evidence? This is your opinion, and is worthless unless it is supported with hard facts. By the way, if you believe that the KJV is inspired, the intelligence, scholarly achievements, and quality of education of the translators are completely irrelevant.
M
I like this. All anyone has to do is research all angles of this debate, without bias, and they will come to the same conclusion.
I use to attend bible study with no less then 10 translations, commentaries, concordance, dictionaries... I wanted to be certain the "I" understood what we were studying. After the Lord revealed to me, through the Comforter, the real meaning of John 14:26 and 16:13 I was so overwhelmed with joy. My understanding has very little to do with what the Lord reveals to us as we read His holy word the KJV bible. The Comforter teaches us ALL THINGS and GUIDES US INTO ALL TRUTH. I don't need to run to errant translations and try to figure out what verses sound good to my finite understanding because God reveals it not my working to interpret it.
Another very strong conviction I got was that if a translation deletes whole verses and perverts hundreds of others how can they be inspired by God? To say that the codex siniaticus/vaticanus are "older" might be true, but I believe it to be a lie straight from the devil. Even if they are "older" they are full of errors. Whoever dealt with those manuscripts changed writings and erased whole verses. . . This is all proven but preconceived opinions are hard to remove. The 1980s version of the NIV removed 8 verses from the new testament. The 2011 version has removed 17 verses. To say that these verses were never in the "older" "original" manuscripts is, well what can I say. To blindly support a "modern" translation, I dare not call them bibles, that not only has to be "updated" very often, but each time it is "updated" they delete more of God's holy word is sacrilege. John prophecies of these in Revelation:22:18&19: "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
I use to attend bible study with no less then 10 translations, commentaries, concordance, dictionaries... I wanted to be certain the "I" understood what we were studying. After the Lord revealed to me, through the Comforter, the real meaning of John 14:26 and 16:13 I was so overwhelmed with joy. My understanding has very little to do with what the Lord reveals to us as we read His holy word the KJV bible. The Comforter teaches us ALL THINGS and GUIDES US INTO ALL TRUTH. I don't need to run to errant translations and try to figure out what verses sound good to my finite understanding because God reveals it not my working to interpret it.
Another very strong conviction I got was that if a translation deletes whole verses and perverts hundreds of others how can they be inspired by God? To say that the codex siniaticus/vaticanus are "older" might be true, but I believe it to be a lie straight from the devil. Even if they are "older" they are full of errors. Whoever dealt with those manuscripts changed writings and erased whole verses. . . This is all proven but preconceived opinions are hard to remove. The 1980s version of the NIV removed 8 verses from the new testament. The 2011 version has removed 17 verses. To say that these verses were never in the "older" "original" manuscripts is, well what can I say. To blindly support a "modern" translation, I dare not call them bibles, that not only has to be "updated" very often, but each time it is "updated" they delete more of God's holy word is sacrilege. John prophecies of these in Revelation:22:18&19: "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
M
This is a self defeat. You leave the Final Authority to the Spirit. Where did you base that statement? If it's your opinion then it's not true but somehow you manage to quote the scriptures.
1Co:1:19: For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1Co:1:20: Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Co:1:21: For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Co:1:22: For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1Co:1:23: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1Co:1:24: But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1Co:1:25: Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1Co:1:26: For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co:1:27: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co:1:28: And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co:1:29: That no flesh should glory in his presence.
Have you done any research on anything to do with the KJV? I seriously doubt it based on the comments you make. The KJV was one of the main literary works that advanced middle English into modern English. The KJV translators MADE UP words that never existed in English prior to the KJV.
Please do some research and stop blindly spouting out the ubsurd talking points of the anti KJV groups. I'm starting to loose respect for you guys.
Please do some research and stop blindly spouting out the ubsurd talking points of the anti KJV groups. I'm starting to loose respect for you guys.
M
I pray for people that use their opinions to negate research, and down those who actually do study. Have you ever looked into this issue, or will you continue to be deceived by preconceived opinions? Like I stated above "it is much harder to unlearn. . ." especially at our age. I could give references here to prove that this is not my opinion, but would it do any good? Do you even want to know the truth?
M
Please for the sake of false accusations and name calling look at the difference in the "archaic" words used in the NIV!
Archaic Words in the NIV by Dr. Laurence Vance
Archaic Words in the NIV by Dr. Laurence Vance
