CONGRATS to Pres. OBAMA (US) for a dignified term of office regardless of affiliation

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That would require notifying the Second Amendment. I'm pretty sure that will take a majority in Congress vote.
What should we say once we notify the 2nd Amendment?
 
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Sadly yes, suicide is terrible thing for all involved.
Very traumatic for the family
You, yourself, said she had a long history of attempting suicide. I imagine the family was just waiting for a final successful attempt for years. They are simply thrilled that they can try and now blame it on The Man. Who in the world would they have been able to blame it on if she had done it at home?
 
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is this a thread from an alternate universe or something?

come on, y'all are kidding, right? maybe?


 
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Sadly yes, suicide is terrible thing for all involved.
Very traumatic for the family
I agree and I'm angry that she died as she did, but the onus falls squarely on her shoulders. Is that how onus is spelled?
 
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What should we say once we notify the 2nd Amendment?
*Phone rings

2nd Amendment: Hello who's this?

Dude: I'm notifying you about votes in Congress

2nd Amendment: Okay....how did you get my number again?

XD
 

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As I have previously stated, if our government work aside to turn against us thank you kill lice by the thousands without ever putting a troop on the ground. Your guns will not protect you
So... just how would you see this playing out? Obama decides he wants to become dictator for life, so he just starts what, bombing neighborhoods? Gassing neighborhoods? Randomly?

No troops on the ground? Ridiculous.

While the military is way more capable technologically, they are also outnumbered substantially.

Plus, you are assuming that ALL the military would fall in lockstep with the takeover.

It's much like nuclear weapons.... the HAVING of them is a huge deterrent.

If the civilians are disarmed, the government could take over using batons and bats.
 

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You, yourself, said she had a long history of attempting suicide. I imagine the family was just waiting for a final successful attempt for years. They are simply thrilled that they can try and now blame it on The Man. Who in the world would they have been able to blame it on if she had done it at home?
"Suicide by cop." Suicide by police is a suicide method in which a suicidal individual deliberately behaves in a threatening manner, with intent to provoke a lethal response from a public safety or law enforcement officer.
 

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Hypothetical scenario. I am commander-in-chief of America and I have established a dictatorship. I have decided to declare war on my citizens. Rather than bother with taking everyone's guns, I'm just going to cease production of all ammunition. You'll run out eventually
 

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Hypothetical scenario. I am commander-in-chief of America and I have established a dictatorship. I have decided to declare war on my citizens. Rather than bother with taking everyone's guns, I'm just going to cease production of all ammunition. You'll run out eventually
Not before you are forcibly and fatally removed from the equation.
 
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Here is a list of 80 specific items, categorized by subject, where the Obama administration has (or is) breaking the law or abjectly abusing it's executive power. They have been aided and abetted in the reckless behavior by Harry Reid in the U.S. Senate, and Nancy Pelosi in the U.S. House of representatives, along with the DNC, and a majority of the Press Corps who are likewise willing and abetting. Many of these items have been documented by U.S. Senator Ted Cruz in his article, "The Legal Limit."

EXECUTIVE DIRECTIVES/FIAT: (Nine items)


  1. Ignored Federal Welfare Laws (1996 Welfare Reform Act) and illegally granted broad waivers for work requirements for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF).
  2. In violation of Federal Law, ended selective Federal terror asylum restrictions, allowing people who provided only“insignificant” or “limited” material support of terrorists to receive asylum in the United States..
  3. Illegally extended federal marriage benefits by recognizing, under federal law, same-sex marriages created in a state that allows same-sex marriage when the couple lives in a state that doesn’t recognize same-sex marriage.
  4. Granted Federal recognition of same-sex marriage in Utah, even though the Supreme Court stayed a Federal Court Order recognizing same-sex marriage in Utah.
  5. In violation of Federal Law, refused to prosecute violation of drug laws with certain mandatory minimums.
  6. Illegally issued signing statements, refusing to enforce congressionally enacted statutes.
  7. Illegally refused to act on Yucca Mountain’s application to become a nuclear waste repository.
  8. Dismissed charges, and refused to prosecute New Black Panther Party members who were videotaped intimidating voters at a Philadelphia polling station during the 2008 election.
  9. Abused Presidential powers to unilaterally increase the minimum wage for federal contract workers from $7.25 to $10.10, via executive order.
NATIONAL SECURITY/TERRORISM: ( Nine items)
  1. Lied to the US populace and to the world about the 2012 Benghazi terror attack, knowingly and falsely portraying it as a spontaneous protest against an anti-Muslim video, and then lied about the White House’s cover-up.
  2. Illegally revealed the existence of sealed indictments in the Benghazi investigation.
  3. Failed to enforce the Magnitsky Act as required by law, by not adding Russian human rights abusers to a list of people not permitted to travel to or do business in the U.S.
  4. Targeted and killed four U.S. citizens overseas in counterterrorism operations without constitutionally mandated judicial process.
  5. Supported the overthrow of the Egyptian government who had been a long term US ally, supporting a known, militant Islamic group in the over throw, which the Egyptian people and military later had to overthrow themselves..
  6. Released a mentally ill Guantanamo terrorist detainee, who had been a high-risk al Qaeda fighter in jihad combat since the 1980s.
  7. Backed release of the Lockerbie terrorist bomber, who killed over 200 Americans, Abdelbaset al-Megrahi.
  8. President Obama abused his power by leaning on, and telling NASA administrators to “find a way to reach out to the Muslim world.”
  9. Claims that the 2009 Fort Hood terror shooting, by U.S. Major Malik Hasa, which killed thirteen US service personnel, was “workplace violence," denying those injured and killed service related benefits as a result of enemy action..
THE ECONOMY: (Seventeen items)
  1. Illegally, and in defiance of Presidential powers, ordered Boeing to fire 1,000 employees in South Carolina and shut down a new factory because it was non-union.
  2. Illegally implemented a moratorium on offshore drilling after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill with no statutory authority, and continued to enact new moratoriums after federal courts repeatedly invalidated them.
  3. Illegally took benefits from secured creditors and allowed unsecured creditors to benefit during the Chrysler bankruptcy.
  4. Illegally terminated the pensions of 20,000 non-union Delphi employees in the GM bankruptcy.
  5. Illegally ordered Federal SWAT teams to raid a Gibson guitar factory and seize property, on the purported basis that Gibson had broken India’s environmental laws—but no charges were ever filed.
  6. Illegally ordered Federal Law Agencies to conduct “Operation Choke Point,” where said agencies pressure banks to “choke off” financial services to customers engaged in targeted conduct such as otherwise legal “ammunition sales.”
  7. Signed a stimulus bill that spent money on bonuses for AIG executives (many of whom were Obama supporters), and then acted shocked and outraged when the excessive bonuses were reported.
  8. Gave $535 million in stimulus money to Solyndra, which went bankrupt, while Solyndra officials and shareholders profited, many of whom were substantial donors to Obama’s campaign.
  9. Reneged on a campaign promise to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term in office.
  10. Increased the national debt more in one term than President Bush did in two terms.
  11. Extended mortgage assistance to people who bought multiple homes during the housing bubble.
  12. Proposed rules that would have decimated family farms, by prohibiting children under 18 from doing many forms of farm work.
  13. Spent $7 million per household in “stimulus funds” to connect a few Montana households to the Internet.
  14. Spent $205,075 in “stimulus” funds to relocate a shrub that sells for $16.
  15. Fired an inspector general after investigating an $850,000 AmeriCorps grant received by a nonprofit run by former NBA star and Obama supporter Kevin Johnson (now mayor of Sacramento).
  16. Spent $7 million per household in “stimulus funds” to connect a few Montana households to the Internet.
  17. Spent $205,075 in “stimulus” funds to relocate a shrub that sells for $16.
OBAMA CARE: (Thirteen Items)
  1. In defiance of his own Affordable Health Care Act, illegally granted a “hardship” exemption from the individual mandate for people whose health plans were canceled because their plans weren’t Obamacare compliant.
  2. In defiance of his own Affordable Health Care Act, illegally delayed the individual mandate for two years.
  3. In defiance of his own Affordable Health Care Act, illegally allowed individuals to buy health insurance plans in 2014 that did not comply with Obamacare. Extended this delay until 2016—past the mid-term elections.
  4. In defiance of his own Affordable Health Care Act, illegally extended the deadline to enroll in Obamacare.
  5. In defiance of his own Affordable Health Care Act, illegally granted businesses a waiver from Obamacare’s employer mandate. Twice.
  6. In defiance of his own Affordable Health Care Act, illegally continued the Obamacare employer contribution for congressional staffs.
  7. In defiance of his own Affordable Health Care Act, illegally delayed the Obamacare caps on out-of-pocket healthcare payments.
  8. In defiance of his own Affordable Health Care Act, illegally delayed Obamacare verification of eligibility for healthcare subsidies.
  9. In defiance of his own Affordable Health Care Act, illegally required people to violate their faith via the Obamacare contraception mandate.
  10. Lied to the American people to fraudulently get his Affordable Health Care Act (ObamaCare) passed by promising that US citizens would be able to, "keep their existing insurance."
  11. Lied to the American people to fraudulently get his Affordable Health Care Act (ObamaCare) passed by promising that US citizens would be able to, "keep their doctor."
  12. Lied to the American people to fraudulently get his Affordable Health Care Act (ObamaCare) passed by promising that US citizens would , "save pon average $2,500 per year," in health care costs.
  13. Reneged on his campaign promise to broadcast live healthcare reform negotiations in the House and Senate on C-SPAN.
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION: (Eleven items)
  1. Illegally implemented portions of the DREAM Act, which Congress had voted against and rejected.
  2. In violation of Federal Law, allowed illegal immigrants who are relatives of U.S. military personnle or veterans, to stay in the country and receive legal status.
  3. Illegally Aided drug cartels instead of enforcing immigration laws—as found by a federal judge, “the DHS is encouraging parents to seriously jeopardize the safety of their children," while assitsting illegal transport of children into the US.
  4. Illegally sold thousands of guns to criminals, in the operation known as Fast and Furious, and then refused to comply with congressional subpoenas about the operation.
  5. Argued for expansive federal powers in the Supreme Court, which has rejected the Administration’s arguments unanimously 9 times since January 2012.
  6. Sued Louisiana to stop school vouchers and keep low-income minorities trapped in failing schools.
  7. Threatened to arrest military priests for practicing their faith during the partial government shutdown.
  8. Muzzled the speech of military chaplains.
  9. Sued fire departments saying their multiple-choice, open-book written employment tests were racially discriminatory.
  10. Gave 23,994 tax refunds worth more than $46 million to aliens here illegally using the same address in Atlanta, GA.
  11. Gave supervised release to a convicted criminal (an alien here illegally) who later killed a nun in a DUI.
EXECUTIVE NOMINEES & PERSONNEL: (Six items)
  1. Made illegal “recess” appointments to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and the National Labor Relations Board when Congress wasn’t in recess. Ignored three federal court rulings that held those nominations unconstitutional.
  2. Illegally avoided congressional oversight by appointing so-called "Czars " to oversee federal policy, avoiding Federally mandated senate confirmation hearings and votes.
  3. Appointed his own Secretary of the treasury, Timothy Geithner, to enforce tax laws, when he himself was delinquent in paying his own taxes and has serious issues with the IRS.
  4. Does not discipline or fire thirty-six members of the Administration's executive staff despite their owing $833,970 in unpaid back taxes.
  5. Does not discipline or fire 311,566 federal employees or retirees who ow $3.5 billion in unpaid taxes.
  6. Illegally appointed his “safe schools czar” who has confessed to his past drug abuse and advocated promoting homosexuality in schools, in the books he has written.
FREE SPEECH: (Seven items)
  1. Illegally used the Internal Revenue Service to target oppostion political groups for heightened scrutiny.
  2. Illegally bypassed the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), requiring White House Counsel reviews of FOIA requests they believed dealt with “White House equities," then delayed producing the documents beyond the legal deadline, if at all.
  3. Against Federal Statute, received secret permission from the FISA Court, reversing restrictions on NSA use of phone calls, emails, online activity, etc., to allow the NSA to use the PRISM program to store and search citizen private effects and communications.
  4. Illegally ordered the U.S. Consumer Financial Protection Bureau to monitor 80% of U.S. citizen card transactions, also using the PRISM program to store and categorize these transactions for review and search by Federal agencies.
  5. Illegally targeted Fox News reporter James Rosen by falsely labeling him as a “co-conspirator” in a criminal investigation.
  6. Illegally and secretly obtained phone records from staff reporters at the Associated Press.
  7. Illegally met with lobbyists in coffee shops in order to avoid statutorily required disclosure requirements.
OTHER ILLEGALITIES OR ABUSES OF POWER: (Eight items)
  1. Fired a U.S. Inspector General who was investigating a $850,000 AmeriCorps grant received by an Obama supporter, and former NBA star Kevin Johnson (who later became the mayor of Sacramento)
  2. Cancelled all White House tours after sequestration—supposedly to save $18,000 per week—even though Obama himself spent more than $1 million in tax money to golf with Tiger Woods during the same period.
  3. Adopted pro-union “ambush election” rules.
  4. Illegally abused Executive power by putting pressure on the Ford Motor Company to pull an anti-auto-bailout TV ad.
  5. Illegally and actively, aided in protests, some of which became violent, against George Zimmerman before he was ever brought to tria, thereby tainting and prejudicing the public, and subverting the legal process..
  6. Tried to seize an entire privately owned motel when guests abused drugs at the motel.
  7. Shut down the critical, and successful "Amber Alert," website, while keeping up a partisan "Let’s Move," website, during the partial government shutdown.
  8. Shut down an Amish farm for selling fresh unpasteurized milk across state lines..
SUMMARY:This administration has become the most corrupt, the least transparent, the most out of control abuser of executive power, and the greatest commitment of illegal activities of any Administration in the history of the United States. Because elected and appointed officials fear being labeled somehow "racist," should they point out these clear violations, the level of opposition and outrage has been kept low. But this has only encouraged more of this behavior...which is destructive to our constitutional principles, the rule of law, and to our liberty. This man is not bad because he is black. There are millions of loyal, law-abiding, and patriotic African Americans. This is happening because this man and the ideologs he has surrounded himself with have no respect for the U.S. Constitution, or the Free Market, and they are intent on, and have openly told us all that they mean to fundamentally change it.
JEFFHEAD.COM - 80 WAYS THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ACTS ILLEGALLY AND/OR ABUSES POWER



Wow! I have to say,when you give a response you do the homework to back it up! Amazing amount of information there.Im going to have to read that again.
 

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Wow! I have to say,when you give a response you do the homework to back it up! Amazing amount of information there.Im going to have to read that again.
Ted Cruz apparently compiled much of the list in his article, "The Legal Limit," though I found it on another site which I gave the link for. It certainly is an extensive list. :)
 
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Every judge, (every juror too, but that would be difficult), every prosecutor and every law enforcement officer should try spending 48 hours in solitary confinement (Aministrative Segregation). Hand cuffed and shackled before you get there, in a room, 7 by 10-13, no personal belongings, everything screwed to the floor, the never ending counts, the noise from other cells. Even though you're doing it voluntarily, it's terrible, and you slowly realize why people are losing their minds in there within hours.

Er,ah,isn't that the point? Cause if you make it like a nice bouncy castle kinda defeats the purpose. If its such a horrible place why do so many find their way back there after being released?
 
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Ted Cruz apparently compiled much of the list in his article, "The Legal Limit," though I found it on another site which I gave the link for. It certainly is an extensive list. :)
I liked Ted Cruz,smart man. I hope Trump makes good use of him.I believe Cruz would know what he was talking about. Great post!
 
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Hypothetical scenario. I am commander-in-chief of America and I have established a dictatorship. I have decided to declare war on my citizens. Rather than bother with taking everyone's guns, I'm just going to cease production of all ammunition. You'll run out eventually
And you'd be dead in a month.
 

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Hypothetical scenario. I am commander-in-chief of America and I have established a dictatorship. I have decided to declare war on my citizens. Rather than bother with taking everyone's guns, I'm just going to cease production of all ammunition. You'll run out eventually
Not before he has been run out of town... literally.
 

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??? Whose point are you talking about?

He's saying you, as the dictator, would be dead within a month. That sort of disproves the point you were trying to make...
 

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??? Whose point are you talking about?

He's saying you, as the dictator, would be dead within a month. That sort of disproves the point you were trying to make...
A dictator who tried to take our guns would be assassinated
 

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THE BIBLE ORDAINS THAT OFFICERS OF THE LAW AND STATE AUTHORITY ARE TO BE HONORED, AS CHRIST HONORED THEM, AND NOT PERSECUTED OUT OF REVENGE FOR THE ABUSES OF A FEW. THEY ARE JUST DOING THEIR JOB, AND IT IS NOT AN EASY ONE, AND IT IS NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IF LAWS OR POLICIES NEED TO BE REFORMED.



HONORING THOSE IN AUTHORITY
( Romans 13:7 a passage which inherently demands we contextualize it)


1. I have nothing to say about any particular case... I'll stay out of that debate.

2. I DO want to mention some critical points about "honoring" those in authority.

A. This comes from the passage in Romans 13:7,
where we are commanded to give...
"honor to whom honor is due"

B. "honor to whom honor is due" is a fascinating, robust, and malleable concept.

C. "honor to whom honor is due" was probably a fairly progressive idea for the 1st century.. at least in most countries.

D. This is full of implications, of all varieties.

E. God gave us a text which DEMANDS OF US THAT WE CONTEXTUALIZE IT... or it is meaningless.

F. The believer must determine, in context of his own current laws and govt, WHAT EXACTLY IS THIS HONOR.

G. The believer must determine, in context of his own current laws and govt, WHAT THIS HONOR IS NOT.

H. The believer must determine, in context of his own current laws and govt, WHAT PRECISELY IS "DUE".

I. The believer must determine, in context of his own current laws and govt, WHAT PRECISELY IS NOT DUE.

I. The believer must determine, in context of his own current laws and govt, TO WHOM IT IS DUE.

J. BECAUSE this command is written in a way which DEMANDS we contextualize it...
we are left with a command which has room to consider factors like:
- the true authority from the "consent of the governed"
- "obligations of the citizenry to lawful dissent"
- "obligations of the citizenry to expose corruption"
- and many other complex issues of authority which exist in a modern democracy

When discussing our obligation to "honor" those in authority,
I implore everyone to look carefully at the passage,
CONTEXTUALIZE it, as is demanded by the language used,
and give serious thought to exactly what this honor IS, and what it IS NOT.



 
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