Jesus is certainly the Great I AM. 
What’s involved in doing God’s will unto salvation?
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When I first started reading the bible I thought the italicized words were the ones the writer wanted to put emphasis on. Then I found out that the italicized words were the ones added by the translator to help it make more sense to them. I found that it makes more sense sometimes if you omit the italicized word.
I agree...a good example of this is where Jesus is talking about judgment and the translators have put in " men" into the text to give their interpretation of it. Jesus in His death would draw all judgment of this world to Himself.
That's why those that refuse to believe in Christ's finished work for their sins forgiveness will still be left with those sins on them - even though He has taken all judgment to Himself at the cross.
John 12:31-33 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] This he said, signifying what death he should die.
I do agree that the truth of Jesus taking all judgment to Himself should be drawing men to Him for receiving redemption as it is only found in Him but this scripture is not saying that.
It is about Jesus "drawing all the judgment" to Himself. What a salvation we have it Him.
I believe it should be reading "If I be lifted up ( on the cross) I will be drawing all the judgment of the world to Me"
That's why those that refuse to believe in Christ's finished work for their sins forgiveness will still be left with those sins on them - even though He has taken all judgment to Himself at the cross.
John 12:31-33 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] This he said, signifying what death he should die.
I do agree that the truth of Jesus taking all judgment to Himself should be drawing men to Him for receiving redemption as it is only found in Him but this scripture is not saying that.
It is about Jesus "drawing all the judgment" to Himself. What a salvation we have it Him.
I believe it should be reading "If I be lifted up ( on the cross) I will be drawing all the judgment of the world to Me"
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Do you agree with post #31 or do you believe that biblical hope is uncertain hope?
I don't recall discussing that. One thing I would like to point out though is that the word "believe" can describe mere "mental assent" belief, as in James 2:19, or also include "trust and reliance" in Christ for salvation, as in Acts 16:31. In James 2:19, nobody is questioning the fact that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.
I believe "mental assent" that George Washington existed and I also believe in the historical facts about George Washington, but I am not trusting in George Washington to save my soul. See the difference? Saving belief/faith is more than just an "intellectual acknowledgment" to the existence and historical facts about Christ. Saving belief/faith trusts exclusively in Christ's finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
Jesus is certainly the Great I AM.
I don't recall discussing that. One thing I would like to point out though is that the word "believe" can describe mere "mental assent" belief, as in James 2:19, or also include "trust and reliance" in Christ for salvation, as in Acts 16:31. In James 2:19, nobody is questioning the fact that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.
I believe "mental assent" that George Washington existed and I also believe in the historical facts about George Washington, but I am not trusting in George Washington to save my soul. See the difference? Saving belief/faith is more than just an "intellectual acknowledgment" to the existence and historical facts about Christ. Saving belief/faith trusts exclusively in Christ's finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
Jesus is certainly the Great I AM.
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Thanks for the rep grace. I think it's very important to know what it is to believe in Christ.
Jesus asked us to count the cost, although salvation is a free gift it comes with a price, to give up self. Jesus made himself of no reputation, he came , spoke, died, and was raised for us not himself in obedience of the father.
We must learn to walk in like manner according to what the father has ordained in our lives.
Jesus asked us to count the cost, although salvation is a free gift it comes with a price, to give up self. Jesus made himself of no reputation, he came , spoke, died, and was raised for us not himself in obedience of the father.
We must learn to walk in like manner according to what the father has ordained in our lives.
Amen...the truth is that we are already dead - we died when Jesus died on the cross and now have been made alive to God. We should be focusing on the life that is in us in Christ now. We are a new creation and we are totally dependent on Christ as Jesus was dependent on the Father for everything.
Colossians 3:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
Paul is clear if we walk in love we fulfill the law
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:8
To follow Christ is to love God and your fellow man.
This is what it means to do Gods will.
From so many mature people in Jesus there seems a lack of this insight.
Maybe people are not as mature as they think they are.
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:8
To follow Christ is to love God and your fellow man.
This is what it means to do Gods will.
From so many mature people in Jesus there seems a lack of this insight.
Maybe people are not as mature as they think they are.
Reading the above you would believe G7 is totally dependant on God.
He is not and neither are we.
Paul is saying our old man and its lusts have died to us, are not important, are not things
we follow, but love through Christs example.
Setting your mind on things above is setting your mind on how to serve others, how
to express love and praise to God, and how to share His word.
The language of dependency is like saying we do not need to eat, or sleep just prayer
and praise. But this is not true.
It is the kind of exaguration that sounds good and spiritual, but that is all it is, sounds
good but is empty without the context and caviates, which once added make it different.
We are part of the vine, we abide in Christ and His life flows through us.
Now the ultimate source of all we have is the Father, but that is true for everyone.
Now our spiritual life, and communion, our joy, our hope, our praise are totally dependant
on the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Now this is the reality.
He is not and neither are we.
Paul is saying our old man and its lusts have died to us, are not important, are not things
we follow, but love through Christs example.
Setting your mind on things above is setting your mind on how to serve others, how
to express love and praise to God, and how to share His word.
The language of dependency is like saying we do not need to eat, or sleep just prayer
and praise. But this is not true.
It is the kind of exaguration that sounds good and spiritual, but that is all it is, sounds
good but is empty without the context and caviates, which once added make it different.
We are part of the vine, we abide in Christ and His life flows through us.
Now the ultimate source of all we have is the Father, but that is true for everyone.
Now our spiritual life, and communion, our joy, our hope, our praise are totally dependant
on the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Now this is the reality.
Meanwhile, Gramps, back at the ranch ...
you (along with most everyone else) are doing absolutely zilch
about explaining all of the dozens of dire warnings to da choiches!
Instead of venting your frustrations, you need to ...
RECONCILE the OSAS verses with the anti-OSAS verses,
and see what you come up with!
Is this too much to ask of people who have been
dumbed-down by being taught "no critical thinking"?
you (along with most everyone else) are doing absolutely zilch
about explaining all of the dozens of dire warnings to da choiches!
Instead of venting your frustrations, you need to ...
RECONCILE the OSAS verses with the anti-OSAS verses,
and see what you come up with!
Is this too much to ask of people who have been
dumbed-down by being taught "no critical thinking"?
Those believers who actually are "FAITHFUL" (Eph 1:1, Col 1:2),
most certainly can have a certain hope of a certain salvation!
Those believers who actually are NOT "FAITHFUL" (Eph 1:1, Col 1:2),
most certainly should NOT have any certain hope of any certain salvation!
Now, we need to figure out what being FAITHFUL really means!
News Flash ...
Believers who are habitual unrepentant sinners are NOT FAITHFUL.
Jesus blood is NOT washing away the sins of such people.
Only when one repents, are one's sins washed away.
most certainly can have a certain hope of a certain salvation!
Those believers who actually are NOT "FAITHFUL" (Eph 1:1, Col 1:2),
most certainly should NOT have any certain hope of any certain salvation!
Now, we need to figure out what being FAITHFUL really means!
News Flash ...
Believers who are habitual unrepentant sinners are NOT FAITHFUL.
Jesus blood is NOT washing away the sins of such people.
Only when one repents, are one's sins washed away.
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What ignorance Snookster,
Our sealing indicates to the spirit world that God is working on us.
E.g. Our guardian angel(s) will make sure we don't die early.
IMO, if we remain habitual unrepentant sinners, God will break the seal.
The NT Scriptures indicate that salvation is an on-going PROCESS.
10 of these teach us that one's faith must ENDURE until the end
of one's life for him/her to receive eternal life.
Wouldest thou care to see the 10 NT verses?
Answer: NO.
Our sealing indicates to the spirit world that God is working on us.
E.g. Our guardian angel(s) will make sure we don't die early.
IMO, if we remain habitual unrepentant sinners, God will break the seal.
The NT Scriptures indicate that salvation is an on-going PROCESS.
10 of these teach us that one's faith must ENDURE until the end
of one's life for him/her to receive eternal life.
Wouldest thou care to see the 10 NT verses?
Answer: NO.
Just where have thou beenest?
I have been repeatedly posting what the NT means by "believe".
And I don't give a fig about what translators, commentators, etc. say.
Some verses say if you believe, you have eternal life.
Some verses say if you habitually sin, you do NOT have eternal life.
Ergo, true believing is to not habitually sin!
Simple Truth, but extremely unpopular today in the Laodicean church.
Jesus describes their spiritual condition this way ...
“You say, ‘I am rich. I have everything I want. I don’t need a thing!’ And you don’t realize
that you are (spiritually) wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked. (Rev 3:17)
I have been repeatedly posting what the NT means by "believe".
And I don't give a fig about what translators, commentators, etc. say.
Some verses say if you believe, you have eternal life.
Some verses say if you habitually sin, you do NOT have eternal life.
Ergo, true believing is to not habitually sin!
Simple Truth, but extremely unpopular today in the Laodicean church.
Jesus describes their spiritual condition this way ...
“You say, ‘I am rich. I have everything I want. I don’t need a thing!’ And you don’t realize
that you are (spiritually) wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked. (Rev 3:17)
This group cannot accept to follow Christ is to walk in obedience and in love.
You love righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.
Psalm 45:7
The arrogant cannot stand in your presence. You hate all who do wrong.
Psalm 5:5
The Lord examines the righteous, but the wicked, those who love violence, he hates with a passion.
Psalm 11:5
Now compare Gods word with the false teaching from gb9 which G7 supports.
You love righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.
Psalm 45:7
The arrogant cannot stand in your presence. You hate all who do wrong.
Psalm 5:5
The Lord examines the righteous, but the wicked, those who love violence, he hates with a passion.
Psalm 11:5
Now compare Gods word with the false teaching from gb9 which G7 supports.
Priorities
If you heart is set only on the world and its principles before getting to know
God and the gospel you could get very confused.
God declares His nature and intentions through His word. You need to read and
understand it in detail to understand two fundamental principles.
Holiness, the dwelling of God and sin and rebellion, the heart of man.
Until you properly reconcile these two issues through scripture it is all about
saying nice things and not upsetting people, rather than listening to the Lord
and His declarations and standing on His promises or teaching error and heresy.
There is no more fundamental principle than sin and holiness, get this wrong,
and your salvation is non-existant.
If you heart is set only on the world and its principles before getting to know
God and the gospel you could get very confused.
God declares His nature and intentions through His word. You need to read and
understand it in detail to understand two fundamental principles.
Holiness, the dwelling of God and sin and rebellion, the heart of man.
Until you properly reconcile these two issues through scripture it is all about
saying nice things and not upsetting people, rather than listening to the Lord
and His declarations and standing on His promises or teaching error and heresy.
There is no more fundamental principle than sin and holiness, get this wrong,
and your salvation is non-existant.
We now have to change John 3:16 " God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son and whosoever believes in Him has eternal life - oh..and BTW He also hates you too because of your sin".
2 Corinthians 5:18-19 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
God hates sin and how it destroys those He loves dearly so He did something about it in Christ. That is the true gospel message.
2 Corinthians 5:18-19 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
God hates sin and how it destroys those He loves dearly so He did something about it in Christ. That is the true gospel message.
This kind of belief system ends in universalism because once you devalue sin and its consequences,
why have hell, why have the second death, why make the barrier.
But this is apostacy so bad, they dare not jump over this hoop.
The truth is you either buy into God and His word or you do not. This lukewarm
compromise will just be spat out.
why have hell, why have the second death, why make the barrier.
But this is apostacy so bad, they dare not jump over this hoop.
The truth is you either buy into God and His word or you do not. This lukewarm
compromise will just be spat out.