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Pilkington

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Gorillas inside? Lions outside in the trees? That's not dementia. That's hospital-induced delirium. Those folks were stuck in their rooms without family for too long. They were prisoners in that nursing home in a far worse state than dementia. Why would she let them continue to live in such terrifying delusions? Give them something familiar from their homes -- a favorite comforter, picture, artwork. Something that reminded them of home, since home in the last grounding on this earth someone with dementia has. Call their family and ask them to call or visit more often. People they know they may forget who they are, but deep inside they are familiar. Spend half an hour a day taking that peron outside their room. Let them see they aren't stuck with the same sterile four walls like a prisoner.

Of course there was something she could of done. But to let them believe they continue to live in that horror of a dream they think is real? That's horrible! Why wouldn't someone help them to get out of the thought their is a gorilla inside them or a furious cat stalking them?

My husband thought his room was swarming with mice and rats. Of course he would have been angry and confused to learn what he was seeing he wasn't seeing, but dang it! Better to get that jolt of not being able to trust your own senses than to continue watching and feeling the rodents descend on you. His nurse would have heard it from me, if she went along with that nightmare. And, if she didn't listen, she would have listened to the reprimand from the director.

That's not ethical. That's neglect!
Medically speaking Lewy body dementia causes hallucinations so there is a specific form of dementia which is associated with a hallucinations and it is nothing like delerium even in my short time on placements I can recognise the difference. Then there is psychosis again where you have hallucinations. Those with dementia hallucinating you are advised to redirrect not correct as correcting just causes distress. However you do not agree with the hallucination, so redirrection and distraction is the order of the day. If a person with Alzeihmers thinks their husband is still alive would I correct them no I would change the topic. If I tell them their husband has died it would be as if they had just heard that for the first time, so each time would be like the first time.
 
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Plus, I have seen no scriptural evidence that says that if we harm our body, it's a sin.

It may be stupid, but it's not a sin.
Chew on this for a while...

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


Surely nobody thinks breathing in smoke... on purpose, to intoxicate our body... is bringing glory unto the Lord???
 
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HisHolly

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Harm has degrees. The mad man cut himself while not in his right mind. Definitely not for the sane.
I'm just picking. I know what it saying..:)
Plus, I have seen no scriptural evidence that says that if we harm our body, it's a sin.

It may be stupid, but it's not a sin.
 

Sac49

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Wow! I thought i heard every excuse until i read this "its not a sin if its done out of love". Just WOW! Where in the Bible does it say this? That is the most ingeneous way of justifying sin. That statement just blows my mind.
 
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Wow! I thought i heard every excuse until i read this "its not a sin if its done out of love". Just WOW! Where in the Bible does it say this? That is the most ingeneous way of justifying sin. That statement just blows my mind.
Haven't you heard??? The TV preachers teach that all future sin is already forgiven... so you can sin all you want!
 
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Wow! I thought i heard every excuse until i read this "its not a sin if its done out of love". Just WOW! Where in the Bible does it say this? That is the most ingeneous way of justifying sin. That statement just blows my mind.
That's a clear example of when the Lord told us not to lean on our own understanding (Proverbs 3:5). People who do that put their souls at risk. Unfortunately many people these days use love to justify their sin.
 
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Healing on the sabbath was not against the Law of God... if it were, then Jesus committed sin.

No, healing on the sabbath was against the things the pharasees and saducees aded to the law that was not of God





God is Love, and God never, ever, ever, motivates anyone to sin.

However, the god of this world will motive people to sin for the world's definition of love.





You still smoke because you want to. Recognize it as a sin and decide to quit.

God would never have parted the Red Sea had Moses not got his feet wet... so quit buying them and start the process of training yourself to not enjoy sinning against your own body.

When you first started smoking, you had to tarin yourself to believe "this inhaling smoke this is great!"... now, train yourself to believe this is a sin (it damages your body which you are supposed to be submitting unto the Lord as a living sacrifice), and admit it and quit it!

Oh and yeah... I been there, so I know all about the lie the devil tells as he claims in the first person "I can't quit" that you keep receiving as being your own thought.
When you are so obsessed in your dogma that you refuse to love, then you should take a look at your dogma. The Pharisees refused to do that.
 

hornetguy

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Chew on this for a while...

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


Surely nobody thinks breathing in smoke... on purpose, to intoxicate our body... is bringing glory unto the Lord???
That is a good scripture.... it also tells us exactly what "defiles" the temple... read the verse right before v 19 in 1 Cor 6....

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
 

hornetguy

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Or, in a language we can ALL understand, the NASB....

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the [SUP][j][/SUP]immoral man sins against his own body. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Or do you not know that your body is a [SUP][k][/SUP]temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from [SUP][l][/SUP]God, and that you are not your own? [SUP]20 [/SUP]For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.
In other words, glorify God in your body be NOT BEING IMMORAL....
 

Sac49

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That's a clear example of when the Lord told us not to lean on our own understanding (Proverbs 3:5). People who do that put their souls at risk. Unfortunately many people these days use love to justify their sin.
For sure. We will make all kinds of excuses. Hense why i believe it is so important to pray "teach me your ways" and "lean not on your own understanding".

We are told to do everything out of love but this sure does not include sin. If that is the case then we are free to do as we please out of love.

That statement still blows my mind. Total and complete misinterpretation, and misuse, of Gods Word. This would be like that movie "purge" but every day. I still cannot comprehend that thinking. Totally not what Gods Word says. WOW!
 
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When you are so obsessed in your dogma that you refuse to love, then you should take a look at your dogma. The Pharisees refused to do that.
Calling smoking a sin... is not Love?

In Heaven. ain't nobody lighting up... is God not walking in Love?

You can love someone and not accept their sin. We're doing that with sinners out in the world, and more and more we've having to do this among those that claim to be Christians as they refuse to give up their pet sins.

In the end the Lord will divide the sheep from the goats... judgement belongs to the Lord concerning people's salvation... meanwhile, I have no obligation to accept people's sin!
 

tourist

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Really??? It's OK for Christians to knowingly and on purpose engage in activity KNOWN to destroy the Body? Do we need to trout out the evidence that smoking destroys the body? You do know that it is toxic, right?

One would have to not die to self and refuse to submit their body to the Lord as a living sacrifice to be on board with smoking to not be a sin... in which case, why bother to call themselves Christians if they are going to dishonor the Lord like that?

If they're going to smoke, they may as well get drunk, do drugs, engage in perverted sex, steal, cuss, beat up little old ladies, and rob banks... just let yo freak flag fly
I do smoke but I don't do any of all those perverted twisted things that you said that smokers mind as well do also. Those that serve in the military also knowingly and on purpose may engage in an activity known to destroy the body. Is this a sin also? I did serve in the 101st Airborne Division but God spared me of the possible carnage and destruction. Perhaps, in His tender mercy and compassion will also mitigate the damage that I have caused from years of the abuse of smoking. It appears that in your thought process that anyone that commits a sin cannot be a Christian.

Its a rough world out there and those that serve God are bound to stumble, get dinged and possibly damaged along the way. That's just the way it is. Still, these Christians, by the grace of God, strive to perfect themselves in Him and bravely soldier on. There are many types of diseases and conditions that affect people but in our weakness God is strong and His glory will be made manifest. My heart goes out to those afflicted and they certainly don't deserve my condemnation.
 
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Miri

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What are the chances of a thread on CC sticking to the subject.

So far we've had lies, smoking, robbing banks, dementia, lost souls,
beating up old ladies, TV preachers.

Just as well this thread wasn't about the seven deadly sins. Lol
 

wanderer6059

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What are the chances of a thread on CC sticking to the subject.

So far we've had lies, smoking, robbing banks, dementia, lost souls,
beating up old ladies, TV preachers.

Just as well this thread wasn't about the seven deadly sins. Lol
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but that number is debatable so we will probably start debating that...
 
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Calling smoking a sin... is not Love?

In Heaven. ain't nobody lighting up... is God not walking in Love?

You can love someone and not accept their sin. We're doing that with sinners out in the world, and more and more we've having to do this among those that claim to be Christians as they refuse to give up their pet sins.

In the end the Lord will divide the sheep from the goats... judgement belongs to the Lord concerning people's salvation... meanwhile, I have no obligation to accept people's sin!
Why are you asking me about smoking?
 
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Its a rough world out there and those that serve God are bound to stumble
Choosing to willfully and knowingly sin... is not stumbling.

It's making excuses so we can continue in sin.

Romans 6:1,2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


You need to die to smoking... drop it, leave it, let it go.

You will not die if you quit inhaling smoke... inhaling smoke!
 
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tourist

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Choosing to willfully and knowingly sin... is not stumbling.

It's making excuses so we can continue in sin.
The thing is, I don't consider it a sin. It's more of a disease. Regardless, it is harmful to my body and with the grace of God I will be provided with the courage and fortitude to overcome this self-affliction. Any sin committed is done willfully and knowingly. None of us is yet perfect, even those that have repented of their past sinful lifestyle choices. Fortunately, Jesus understands full well the human condition and has made provision for this and other things as well.
 
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Amazing-Grace

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What are the chances of a thread on CC sticking to the subject.

So far we've had lies, smoking, robbing banks, dementia, lost souls,
beating up old ladies, TV preachers.

Just as well this thread wasn't about the seven deadly sins. Lol
I agree Miri, it went way off topic.