Women Pastors? Help me.

[LaurenTM]

When God was handing out his curses in the garden for the sin that Adam and Eve had committed, here is what the bible says

To the woman he said,“I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing;
in pain you shall bring forth children.
Your desire shall be contrary to[SUP][f][/SUP] your husband,
but he shall rule over you.” Genesis 3:16

There God clearly says that the man shall be the leader and rule. Not my words but Gods word. I have absolute respect for women and most of them are a lot smarter than I am, and I don't feel qualified to teach them anything. However, this is the what God says, so it needs to be followed. Don't try and twist what the bible says, simply do what it says!!!

hey jerry?

I don't care if you don't care for women speakers or pastors

what I DO care about?

is you or anyone using a portion of scripture to make your case that has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand

and if you think women are cursed in Jesus? then you REALLY need to go back to basics 101

my desire is contrary to cherry picking verses, taking verses out of context and USING scripture to back up personal opinions

I don't even personally care for women pastors per se, but I have respect for several women speakers

the first thing God did was promise a way out of the mess created by disobeying Him...

so women who are not married, fall where exactly ? who are they subject to..if their father is dead? but that would put us all under OT law

when God was handing out curses...no...he was not handing out curses...what was already in effect became evident when A + E disobeyed HIM

There God clearly says that the man shall be the leader and rule.

only clear to those who prefer a patriarchal society and women who have nothing to say ever

 

[jerry2465]

Lots of opinions given on this thread, so it's hard to remember who said what. To help you, I already said I don't think women should be pastors. (Not to be confused with women should never teach.)

I absolutely agree!! we are all commanded to spread the gospel of Christ to all creation (which is a form of teaching, maybe the most important of all), but scripture says that men should preach in the assembly.

That clarified, I'm not getting this either. Are you saying if a husband tells a woman to become a pastor, then the woman should be a pastor?

no not saying that at all.

 

[Angela53510]

Here is a great article on women pastors - in "English" too...lol....

Es ist großartig

Women as Pastors, Elders, and Leaders in Bible-Based Churches - Soul Shepherding

Excellent article! I love the Dallas Willis quotes at the beginning. I will be saving this website, for sure!

 

[Depleted]

1 Corinthians 14: 34-35 KJV
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 Timothy 2:11-15 ESV

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For Adam was formed first, then Eve; [SUP]14 [/SUP]and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

It is very plain, no need to do any twisting

First one addresses a culture problem. Men one side, women on the other, woman didn't get something said, so she'd ask her hubby... who was way on the other side of the room. It got annoying. But I can tell you I really can talk in a church building. It's just not cool to do so during service. And when I do not get something, I do wait to ask hubby after service. But that's not like I can't say Hi to anyone. Nor get into a discussion before or after service. And, if I were the teacherly kind, it really, really doesn't mean I can't teach Sunday School class.

 

[jaybird88]

Hey, Jay... It doesn't say that anywhere. It simply means that if a man is married and has a leadership role within the church, he must not have more than one wife..

thank goodness, i was about to start re thinking everything Jesus ever taught being as He wasn't married.

 

[jerry2465]

hey jerry?

I don't care if you don't care for women speakers or pastors

what I DO care about?

is you or anyone using a portion of scripture to make your case that has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand

and if you think women are cursed in Jesus? then you REALLY need to go back to basics 101

my desire is contrary to cherry picking verses, taking verses out of context and USING scripture to back up personal opinions

I don't even personally care for women pastors per se, but I have respect for several women speakers

the first thing God did was promise a way out of the mess created by disobeying Him...

so women who are not married, fall where exactly ? who are they subject to..if their father is dead? but that would put us all under OT law

when God was handing out curses...no...he was not handing out curses...what was already in effect became evident when A + E disobeyed HIM



only clear to those who prefer a patriarchal society and women who have nothing to say ever

I definitely don't need to go to basics 101 LOL, And it has nothing to do with if I care for women speakers or pastors, like I said starting out, I have absolute respect for women and don't feel like I am qualified to teach them anything. I am simply giving supporting scripture for my position on the topic. Thank you

 

[Depleted]

I absolutely agree!! we are all commanded to spread the gospel of Christ to all creation (which is a form of teaching, maybe the most important of all), but scripture says that men should preach in the assembly.

That clarified, I'm not getting this either. Are you saying if a husband tells a woman to become a pastor, then the woman should be a pastor?[/SIZE]

no not saying that at all.

Well, no. I wasn't saying it. I was asking if that's what you thought. Thank you. You answered.

But if it's not saying that, then how do you think that's saying anything about a woman becoming a pastor? I don't see that part in what God said in that verse either.

 

[Magenta]

Women pastors?
I don't even think women should be allowed to wear britches.
And they CERTAINLY shouldn't be able to leave the house.
Pretty soon they'll be trying to get into college.

Would you wear these britches?

 

[jerry2465]

First one addresses a culture problem. Men one side, women on the other, woman didn't get something said, so she'd ask her hubby... who was way on the other side of the room. It got annoying. But I can tell you I really can talk in a church building. It's just not cool to do so during service. And when I do not get something, I do wait to ask hubby after service. But that's not like I can't say Hi to anyone. Nor get into a discussion before or after service. And, if I were the teacherly kind, it really, really doesn't mean I can't teach Sunday School class.

For sure, I agree. I just think its saying that Gods plan is for men to preach in the assembly. I surely don't know of anything saying that women shouldn't teach sunday school classes or anything like that

 

[Angela53510]

My first challenge:

Find the word "roles" in the Bible. Hermeneutically speaking, if roles were that important, God would have written that word into numerous places of the Bible.

So all those talking about the "roles" of men and women, are actually quoting ultra reactionary conservative men, who like to call themselves "complimentarians." You are NOT quoting the Bible.

Shocking, I know!

 

[Grace777x70]

Excellent article! I love the Dallas Willis quotes at the beginning. I will be saving this website, for sure!

I agree...it's time for us to grow up in the things of the Lord so that we can all bring life and blessing to others.

I too enjoyed Dallas Willard's words and I suppose there will be those that will say - "For years it has always been this way in ministry and women are not allowed to be leaders within our assemblies. People always try to change our established church teachings and thus they are ignoring the word of God."

 

[JesusRules1]

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

Authority structure of God on earth with angels being last,for they are ministering spirits sent to all who shall inherit salvation,and the angels desire to look in to the salvation of the saints,for the saints will have a higher position in heaven than that of the angels.

1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

In the Lord a man and a woman are equal,for there is no authority structure there,for the only thing that separates a man and a woman is the flesh,the soul and spirit are the same,which is why Jesus said they will not be given in marriage in heaven,but will be like the angels,no gender.

Women can preach,teach,and do what the man can do,and even preach and teach men,but when the saints come together to worship God,and preach the word,the man should take the lead,so saith the law,and the woman is to be in obedience in that circumstance,which that does not mean she cannot speak to people at Church,or give testimonies,and sing,but do not interrupt the service,or go above the man that takes the lead,but of course that can also apply to a man if he interrupts the service of the man in the lead.

Truth is nobody can be unruly at Church,and speak when service is going on that would interrupt it,no matter their gender,but let all things be done decently,and in order,for I am sure that women are not the only one that would ask questions to someone by them when service is going,and could disrupt the service,and notice how it says let the woman ask the man at home,which can apply to anybody that wants to ask questions while the service is going on,wait until the service is over.

The summary is the man is supposed to take the lea in that setting,and the woman is not to usurp authority over the man,for the head of woman is man,but outside that setting she only has to deal with her husband,and all men and her are equal.

Or so it would seem.

 

[PeterJens]

The problem in the church is people inspired by the Holy Spirit and speaking love from
the heart. If the sex of the preacher is the issue, there was something wrong with the
message.

The other problem in our society is the denial of boundaries and the value of conforming
and acknowledging rules. So those who find security in black and white answers are
being attacked by those who claim society has evolved and moved on, not realising the
world of lawlessness is not the world of blessing, but the end of all things.

 

[Desdichado]

Well said. Well said.

The problem in the church is people inspired by the Holy Spirit and speaking love from
the heart. If the sex of the preacher is the issue, there was something wrong with the
message.

The other problem in our society is the denial of boundaries and the value of conforming
and acknowledging rules. So those who find security in black and white answers are
being attacked by those who claim society has evolved and moved on, not realising the
world of lawlessness is not the world of blessing, but the end of all things.

 

[stonesoffire]

I'm not quite sure if Peter Jens is saying the same thing that I believe...which is, Jesus said there is neither male nor female in spirit. So it does not matter which vessel God uses, but is it a true message from Holy Spirit.

That is what I listen to.

 

[DevonS]

1 Timothy 2:12 Almost every commentator says that women should not pastor or teach over men. The argument the Apostle Paul gives for his statement "I do not permit a women to teach or to exercise authority over a man" is found in the following 2 verses. His argument is actually not from culture as some claim but from creation. The validity of his argument and the weight of this statement plants its roots in the creation order. Which means that the statement he makes regarding women not teaching over men (essentially pastoring) stands for all-time and to all cultures everywhere, because he doesnt appeal to culture for his reasons but the creation ORDER.

In saying all that the text doesnt say women cant teach at all, it only says teach over men and hold authority over men. Also I might add that this is not a issue of salvation. I believe you can be saved whether your attending a church with a women pastor or you are a women pastor. But I would be the most easy convert to believing that women can pastor over men if Paul didnt give his argument from creation.

What do you think about this? Could you help me understand what paul is meaning here in 1 Corinth 14.Maybe its the way the KJV has it worded Im not sure, It reads as follows
4 [FONT=&quot]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

[/FONT]In Verse 36 he says [FONT=&quot]What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

[/FONT]What is Paul saying in verse 36? Is he Questioning the above statement in V35? The wording really confuses me. (No im not changing bible translations) What do you think Bro.

 

[stonesoffire]

Thank you for the rep grace..

 

[stonesoffire]

What do you think about this? Could you help me understand what paul is meaning here in 1 Corinth 14.Maybe its the way the KJV has it worded Im not sure, It reads as follows
4 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

In Verse 36 he says What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

What is Paul saying in verse 36? Is he Questioning the above statement in V35? The wording really confuses me. (No im not changing bible translations) What do you think Bro.

I was told that women were interrupting the speakers, challenging what was being said. I know that can happen, it's the evil side of human nature in women.

 

[Depleted]

Would you wear these britches?

I would. (Really.) Just not outside my house, because I can't see it looking good under overalls.

 

[John146]

What do you think about this? Could you help me understand what paul is meaning here in 1 Corinth 14.Maybe its the way the KJV has it worded Im not sure, It reads as follows
4 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

In Verse 36 he says What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

What is Paul saying in verse 36? Is he Questioning the above statement in V35? The wording really confuses me. (No im not changing bible translations) What do you think Bro.

The context of these verses in 1 Corinthians 14 is talking about speaking in tongues. Women were not aloud to speak in tongues when the Jewish signs were still present. The gift of tongues then were used to preach in a different language.