God's Chosen People per Romans 11
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it was the mistake. They did not realise God had to save their eternal souls first. This is part of the mystery paul spoke of all throughout his writings. That the messiah and the suffering servant are one and the same, There is no way people before the cross could have known this, God hid it for a reason. But that is another topic.
And that still does not negate the fact that God did promise to be a king.
This is one thing we can use to see this.
Jesus, reading OT prophet..
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,[SUP][j][/SUP]
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”[SUP][k][/SUP]
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
if we read the actual OT passage in Isaiah;
And the day of vengeance of our God;
To comfort all who mourn,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]To console those who mourn in Zion,
To give them beauty for ashes,
The oil of joy for mourning,
The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
That they may be called trees of righteousness,
The planting of the Lord, that He may be glorified.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they shall rebuild the old ruins,
They shall raise up the former desolations,
And they shall repair the ruined cities,
The desolations of many generations.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks,
And the sons of the foreigner
Shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But you shall be named the priests of the Lord,
They shall call you the servants of our God.
You shall eat the riches of the Gentiles,
And in their glory you shall boast.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Instead of your shame you shall have double honor,
And instead of confusion they shall rejoice in their portion.
Therefore in their land they shall possess double;
Everlasting joy shall be theirs.
we see, Jesus stopped short, because the rest was not yet to happen.. This is called a forward looking prophecy, You see the events as told, but you can ot know they do not happen all at one.
The rest will happen in the day of vengeance, or Gods wrath. After with when God will restore Israel.
The people who jesus read to should have seen this, But they could not. Because they were looking for the second part. Which jesus kept from them. because it was not to happen yet. and not looking to the first part,
ANd yes, That's why U like discussing with you. No condemnation, I do know this, one day we WILL know who is right.. lol
Jeremiah 31
27 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the Lord.
29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
27 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the Lord.
29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
I think they were united prior to the 1st coming of Christ. I also think Ezekiel 37 is about them physically coming back together and also joining with the gentiles uder the rule of Christ.
Ezekiel 37:22 KJV
And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Ezekiel 37:22 KJV
And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Romans 11:5-6 KJV
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
[6] And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
When Paul was writing this there was a remnant according to the ELECTION of GRACE. Not election of the FLESH but election by the GRACE of God. Verse 6 stregthens the idea of casting Israel away... NO MORE BY WORKS. A new covenant is replacing the old covenant.
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
[6] And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
When Paul was writing this there was a remnant according to the ELECTION of GRACE. Not election of the FLESH but election by the GRACE of God. Verse 6 stregthens the idea of casting Israel away... NO MORE BY WORKS. A new covenant is replacing the old covenant.
Romans 11:7-8 KJV
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
[8] (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
FLESH ISRAEL has not obtained salvation BUT the ELECTION has.... and the rest (FLESH Israel) were blinded. How much more clear can this be? Flesh Israel can't obtain but the ELECT has - Flesh Israel CAN'T be God's elect.
Flesh Israel cant see, they can't hear BUT the ELECTION can see and hear. This is awsome, I never realized how thoroughly Paul covered who the elect really are. I don't know how anyone could read Romans 11 and not see that flesh Israel IS NOT God's elect.
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
[8] (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
FLESH ISRAEL has not obtained salvation BUT the ELECTION has.... and the rest (FLESH Israel) were blinded. How much more clear can this be? Flesh Israel can't obtain but the ELECT has - Flesh Israel CAN'T be God's elect.
Flesh Israel cant see, they can't hear BUT the ELECTION can see and hear. This is awsome, I never realized how thoroughly Paul covered who the elect really are. I don't know how anyone could read Romans 11 and not see that flesh Israel IS NOT God's elect.
You may be right on R11:V12
SO:
Has God rejected Israel? No
Did God disqualify some of Israel from being Israel? Yes
Did they therefore become tilda Israel, non-Israel? Yes.
Were they rejected? Yes
But they were no longer Israel at the point they were rejected.
Israel itself remains unrejected
SO:
Has God rejected Israel? No
Did God disqualify some of Israel from being Israel? Yes
Did they therefore become tilda Israel, non-Israel? Yes.
Were they rejected? Yes
But they were no longer Israel at the point they were rejected.
Israel itself remains unrejected
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