Women Pastors? Help me.

[jerry2465]

and around and around we go!! I don't think even 1 person has learned anything or has been swayed one millionth of an inch over 31 pages haha

 

[StanJ]

My bible doesn't say Phebe was a deacon. What a contradiction that would be, in one place a deacon can only be a man and then in another place it calls Phebe a deacon... no way. The inerrant word of God does not contradict itself.

But the KJV does because it uses servant instead of deacon when in Greek the word is the same for both Romans 16:1 and 1 Timothy 3:8. διάκονος (diakonos) is or at least it should be translated as deacon in the King James Version in all places but it doesn't, which just shows the unreliability of the King James version.

 

[StanJ]

There are verses that may SEEM to contradict, if we believe both verses then we can see the truth, if we choose to believe one verse and deny the other verse then we will be in error. There is neither gender, race, or social status in Christ...this means that God accepts us equally regardless of gender, race, or social status, that does NOT mean that God does not recognize gender, race, and social status, because the rest of the bible points out that He does, and why shouldn't He, because gender, race, and social status are REALITIES. When you question the validity of Paul you expose why you are willing to reject his clear instructions. God can accept all people equally regardless of their gender, yet God can command that men lead in a church...both can be true.

You are exactly right here so why don't you practice what you preach? I fail to understand how someone can have this point of view and still not get it?I haven't seen anybody here question the validity of Paul but what I have seen is a few men try to take what Paul says out of context and eisegete it for their predispositional bias.

 

[StanJ]

and around and around we go!! I don't think even 1 person has learned anything or has been swayed one millionth of an inch over 31 pages haha

Well it's very obvious that at least three men haven't been swayed one iota but then again that's what happens when you put your point of view before scripture.

 

[StanJ]

I never said I don't look at other translations, I just DON'T trust them. You haven't answered my question yet, where does leader come from?

Why on Earth would you trust a 400 year old Elizabethan English translation that's been proven to be wrong on many occasions?

 

[KJV1611]

But the KJV does because it uses servant instead of deacon when in Greek the word is the same for both Romans 16:1 and 1 Timothy 3:8. διάκονος (diakonos) is or at least it should be translated as deacon in the King James Version in all places but it doesn't, which just shows the unreliability of the King James version.

Take your pick - an errand runner, an attendant, a waiter OR a Christian teacher, pastor, deacon minister. The question is who KNEW the mind of God to know WHICH definition HE intended in each instance. That's why either we have a God INSPIRED word or we have man's opinion of what God intended. <--- That is worthless.

διάκονοςdiákonos, dee-ak'-on-os; probably from an obsolete διάκω diákō (to run on errands; compare G1377); an attendant, i.e. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon or deaconess):—deacon, minister, servant.

 

[KJV1611]

Why on Earth would you trust a 400 year old Elizabethan English translation that's been proven to be wrong on many occasions?

This is not a KJV thread.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

So is Paul basically saying that women process information in a different way to men?

If Barry White sang the Mormon Creed to a group of male and female Christians, would women be more apt to become Mormons?

 

[StanJ]

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Take your pick - an errand runner, an attendant, a waiter OR a Christian teacher, pastor, deacon minister. The question is who KNEW the mind of God to know WHICH definition HE intended in each instance. That's why either we have a God INSPIRED word or we have man's opinion of what God intended. <--- That is worthless.

διάκονοςdiákonos, dee-ak'-on-os; probably from an obsolete διάκω diákō (to run on errands; compare G1377); an attendant, i.e. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon or deaconess):—deacon, minister, servant.

I already did now it's up to you too explain why Paul accepted a woman as a deacon or explain why he contradicts himself.
Just as the definition you provided says the word is technically a Deacon or Deaconess, why exactly would there be Deaconess' if Paul was against women being Deacons? The truth is right in front of your nose and you can't even see it!
The original Greek and Hebrew text was inspired not the Elizabethan English translation from 1611. If you can't see that then you have bigger problems than recognizing that women can be pastors and teachers.

 

[StanJ]

This is not a KJV thread.

Then stop saying the KJV is the only reliable English translation out there when it clearly isn't.

 

[StanJ]

So is Paul basically saying that women process information in a different way to men?
If Barry White sang the Mormon Creed to a group of male and female Christians, would women be more apt to become Mormons?

Hmmmmmmmm?

 

[KJV1611]

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I already did now it's up to you too explain why Paul accepted a woman as a deacon or explain why he contradicts himself.
Just as the definition you provided says the word is technically a Deacon or Deaconess, why exactly would there be Deaconess' if Paul was against women being Deacons? The truth is right in front of your nose and you can't even see it!
The original Greek and Hebrew text was inspired not the Elizabethan English translation from 1611. If you can't see that then you have bigger problems than recognizing that women can be pastors and teachers.

Like I said before, my bible doesn't call Phebe a deacon and it doesn't contradict 1 Timothy 3.

Romans 16:1 KJV
I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

 

[KJV1611]

Then stop saying the KJV is the only reliable English translation out there when it clearly isn't.

The other bibles are reliable in some parts.

 

[StanJ]

Like I said before, my bible doesn't call Phebe a deacon and it doesn't contradict 1 Timothy 3.
Romans 16:1 KJV
I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

Your Bible is wrong and the proper translation for the Greek διάκονος (diakonos) is Deacon. Therefore your Bible has an error in it. Would you like to know all the other errors I know about in the KJV?

I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae. Rom 16:1 (NET)
Even Darby got it right as he translated to be;
[FONT=&quot]But I commend to you Phoebe, our sister, who is minister of the assembly which is in Cenchrea.
[/FONT]The NRSV & NLT also translates it as Deacon.
Won't bother going on because you won't accept any translation other than the KJV so that basically makes you a closed minded person that is been brainwashed into believing a 400 year old Elizabethan English translation is the only true inspired word of God and regardless of what this thread is about your issue is very relevant to it. If you can't or don't know how to study properly then your opinions are irrelevant.

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[KJV1611]

Your Bible is wrong and the proper translation for the Greek διάκονος (diakonos) is Deacon. Therefore your Bible has an error in it. Would you like to know all the other errors I know about in the KJV?

I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae. Rom 16:1 (NET)
Even Darby got it right as he translated to be;
But I commend to you Phoebe, our sister, who is minister of the assembly which is in Cenchrea.
The NRSV & NLT also translates it as Deacon.
Won't bother going on because you won't accept any translation other than the KJV so that basically makes you a closed minded person that is been brainwashed into believing a 400 year old Elizabethan English translation is the only true inspired word of God and regardless of what this thread is about your issue is very relevant to it. If you can't or don't know how to study properly then your opinions are irrelevant.

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I wont accept any translation that contradicts it's own self. Why would I believe a bible that is obviously wrong?

 

[StanJ]

The other bibles are reliable in some parts.

It's not up to you to pick and choose which and the standard fare for most people that study the Bible is it they use between three and five translations to find out exactly what the Bible does say and those need to be Modern English and reliable by Scholastic standards, which yours is not. You my friend do not practice proper biblical hermeneutics and as such have no credibility in this regard whatsoever.

 

[StanJ]

I wont accept any translation that contradicts it's own self. Why would I believe a bible that is obviously wrong?

Why do you believe the KJV, because it is obviously wrong and contradicts itself? Your problem is you are inculcated and can't accept the reality of what the actual inspired word of God in the original language says. There's always a couple of stubborn KJVO adherents on every forum I am on that insist against all proof, that the KJV is inspired and there is not one reputable scholar in Christendom that supports that point of view.

 

[KJV1611]

It's not up to you to pick and choose which and the standard fare for most people that study the Bible is it they use between three and five translations to find out exactly what the Bible does say and those need to be Modern English and reliable by Scholastic standards, which yours is not. You my friend do not practice proper biblical hermeneutics and as such have no credibility in this regard whatsoever.

Ok which meaning did God intend for Phebe? Errand runner, attendant, a waiter, a Christian teach or pastor?

διάκονοςdiákonos, dee-ak'-on-os; probably from an obsolete διάκω diákō (to run on errands; compare G1377); an attendant, i.e. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon or deaconess):—deacon, minister, servant.

Same word here, are these servants deacons?

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[TR="class: bVerse"]
[TD="bgcolor: #F8F8DA"]Jhn 2:5[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F8F8DA"]His mother saith unto the servants, G1249 Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[KJV1611]

Why do you believe the KJV, because it is obviously wrong and contradicts itself? Your problem is you are inculcated and can't accept the reality of what the actual inspired word of God in the original language says. There's always a couple of stubborn KJVO adherents on every forum I am on that insist against all proof, that the KJV is inspired and there is not one reputable scholar in Christendom that supports that point of view.

You know I would listen to you if you had a valid argument but you don't. All translations agree that a deacon can only be a MAN.... this is a given, it's not even dabatable. Any bible that says Phebe is a deacon contradicts itself. Is it really so hard to understand why I would believe the NONCONTRADICTORY KJV over those WRONG bibles?

 

[StanJ]

Ok which meaning did God intend for Phebe? Errand runner, attendant, a waiter, a Christian teach or pastor?

διάκονοςdiákonos, dee-ak'-on-os; probably from an obsolete διάκω diákō (to run on errands; compare G1377); an attendant, i.e. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon or deaconess):—deacon, minister, servant.

Same word here, are these servants deacons?

[TABLE="class: bibleTable, width: 100%"]
[TR="class: bVerse"]
[TD="bgcolor: #F8F8DA"]Jhn 2:5[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F8F8DA"]His mother saith unto the servants, G1249 Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

God intended what it says in Greek which properly interpreted based on the context of Romans 16:1 is deacon. Of course you don't understand biblical hermeneutics so I can't really explain it to you. Anybody who is not inculcated and has a lick of sense would understand this but because you've been brainwashed by the KJVO cult, you can't.

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