Dualism, the doctrine of a disassociated identity

[Persuaded]

There is a fine line between living in the liberty of Christ and living laciviously. I think it's hard, if not impossible for someone else to judge another person on this and I think ISIT doesn't undertand this aspect of our walks with the Lord. That's just my opinion.

I agree totally.
It is not for anyone to judge the relationship another has with God.
We may be concerned and should be for everyone's salvation, but only God and the individual knows.

 

[KJV1611]

I don't known, it does not appear to me that your conscience is seared(however I don't really know). I am not saying there is anything wrong with your walk, because I really don't know, most of your posts seem sensible to me. I was saved at an early age and was immediately aware that I was a sinner and needed to be saved. After I was saved I became aware of sin when I did anything wrong and it has continued to this day. I don't go around thinking about sin, however if I do something wrong(which I do from time to time) I ask God for forgiveness.

Romans 7 set me free from the sin dilema. That is so powerful that some people will actually say that Paul is talking about a time when he was not saved.

Romans 7:15-17 KJV
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[16] If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[17] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

 

[Ariel82]

There was a sower.... What happened with the seed wasn't blamed on him

James 3
Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

That's because ISIT is babe himself... he talks about subjects and trys to teach others on subjects that he himself doesn't understand.... Sorry ISIT but that's the truth and I've seen it multiple times in your posts.

Then stop asking me questions. As I've also found with you in the past you do not receive any correction at all, even when shown multitudes of scripture to prove you are CLEARLY wrong. Like when I showed you that Christ is the stone the builders rejected, who also became the headstone of the corner, which you say is not Christ but a "tombstone for the law". LOL! I rest my case.

 

[KJV1611]

Then stop asking me questions. As I've also found with you in the past you do not receive any correction at all, even when shown multitudes of scripture to prove you are CLEARLY wrong. Like when I showed you that Christ is the stone the builders rejected, who also became the headstone of the corner, which you say is not Christ but a "tombstone for the law". LOL! I rest my case.

That's exactly what I was talking about also.

Edit: Your lack of understanding that verse is also hindering you in this discussion. The law is DEAD for the Christian.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Sorry only one Man gets to use the Rod, but on this site a few have a hammer...and a timeout corner.

1 Corinthians 4:21

What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?

I already tried love and the spirit of meekness in these forums, it didn't work, so now it's the ROD for the wicked and rebellious.

 

[Ariel82]

Four questions....KJV and In Spirit..,, 1. do you love one another? 2. Do you respect one another? 3. What do you agree upon? 4. Is it worth continuing the conversation?

 

[Ariel82]

1 Corinthians 4:21

What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?

I already tried love and the spirit of meekness in these forums, it didn't work, so now it's the ROD for the wicked and rebellious.

Meekness? Haven't seen it from you. Wish I could say I have. Paul had authority over that church. You only have authority over yourself and your actions.

Main question is will you submit to the admins words and authority over you?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

That's exactly what I was talking about also.

Edit: Your lack of understanding that verse is also hindering you in this discussion. The law is DEAD for the Christian.

Some are dead to the law, but still very much alive to sin. Go inquire of someone else, I'm not going to waste my time with those are unable to receive correction by the words of God.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Meekness? Haven't seen it from you.

Ditto....

 

[KJV1611]

Four questions....KJV and In Spirit..,, 1. do you love one another? 2. Do you respect one another? 3. What do you agree upon? 4. Is it worth continuing the conversation?

I love him, I respect him, we agree on somethings and yes it's worth continuing the conversation.

 

[Ariel82]

For those who haven't read the Sticky..,,

Good morning ,

it has been a long - suffering and very patient with many in here pertaining to the topic of "hyper-grace" and those who seem to bring this topic up in every post no matter what the thread maybe . Moderators have addressed the issues with some in Bible discussion forum pertaining to this Subject " hyper-grace". We have received more submissions of infractions due to this topic. And the same names keep coming up. Moderators have asked what is hyper grace and where do you stand on the subject? those who were asked have provided their understanding. Now it is not that CC agree with nor against this doctrine as many hold to calvinist and the positions and have scriptural ref to support their understanding. BUT maturity and not attacking those is what is needed. here is what we get when the "hyper grace" topic is brought up:

1. your not saved
2. attacks
3. false teacher
4. infraction submitted
5. request for account to be closed
6. name calling
7. "hyper grace" brought into every post when not even the topic of origin

I have given you 7 reasons why this topic is not good for CC Thread and I have yet to find one reason for it.
Admin and the moderators will no longer allow this to continue . And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it. remember those who attack each other many of them call themselves christians yet we eat and devour each other. enough is enough. I am not going to dress you personally at this time... You have an opportunity to let it go or CC Admin and Moderators will take action.

God bless,

very respectfully,

CS1

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/143507-hyper-grace-preachers-doctrine-cc.html



To sum up....don't do 7 things I bolded. Admin frowns upon name calling, telling people they aren't saved, calling people false teachers, etc,

 

[Ariel82]

I love him, I respect him, we agree on somethings and yes it's worth continuing the conversation.

Maybe but it doesn't seem he wants to talk to you...,one of dust your feet moments, maybe?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Admin frowns upon name calling, telling people they aren't saved, calling people false teachers, etc,

I've been called Satan, antichrist, false teacher, Pharisee, deceiver, ISIS, evil, and many other names by many in these forums, and those people are still here. So I guess the moderators only frown and nothing more.

 

[KJV1611]

Maybe but it doesn't seem he wants to talk to you...,one of dust your feet moments, maybe?

He told me not to ask him any more questions, I will respect that.

 

[Ariel82]

I've been called Satan, antichrist, false teacher, Pharisee, deceiver, ISIS, evil, and many other names by many in these forums, and those people are still here. So I guess the moderators only frown and nothing more.

Have you forgiven them?

Would you prefer that they bann you and them also for a period? 1 day, week, month year?

Would that satisfy your pride?

Maybe they should apologize but maybe you should too?

I have been called name too, but eventually we make peace.

We clear the air, apologize, agree to disagree and find common ground in our love of Christ and Bible study.

They aren't friends but I see truth in some of their post and we are civil.

You don't have to like family, but you do have to love them.

 

[JesusRules1]

A Spirit led life will abstain from sin.

The law is dead to a Christian for they are not breaking the law led by the Spirit.

If led by the Spirit you are not under the law,because you are not breaking the law,therefore the law cannot touch you for prosecution.

A Spirit led life will abstain from sin,therefore the law cannot touch them for prosecution,for if you are led of the Spirit then you are doing wrong,but if doing sin,led by the flesh,and having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof,which some are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.

Not to be harsh but a Spirit led life will abstain from sin,so you are dead to sin,and not under the law,for sin will not have dominion over you,for it cannot being led of the Spirit.

Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Mortify
hanatoō
than-at-o'-o
From G2288; to kill (literally or figuratively): - become dead, (cause to be) put to death, kill, mortify.

thanatos
than'-at-os
From G2348; (properly an adjective used as a noun) death (literally or figuratively): - X deadly, (be . . .) death.

A Spirit led life is dead to sin,and does not engage in sins,for to engage in sins would put people being led of the flesh until they get rid of those sins.

But Jesus did say He will never leave us or forsake us,so if we have received the Spirit,but sin not abandoning Christianity,and Jesus as Lord and Savior,Jesus is still there and it can be forgiven us.

 

[Grace777x70]

Nope, the words of God will judge those who do not believe in them...

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

So, let's test out your own "personal application" of those scriptures.

Do you still sin from time to time? Do you still do the works of the flesh from time to time?

Remember that lying, deceit, malice, the slandering of others in the body of Christ is just as much sinning as living the homosexual lifestyle.


You can be honest with us then we can have a healthy discussion of the "application" of those scriptures and we all learn together. Thanks

 

[HisHolly]

Im missing your point. You going back and forth with him shows you lack something as well.. are you the holder of the rod? I find nothing about him offensive. If others do it's BC they engage him BC they don't like something about him? Am I bias or correct? I don't know him, never spoken directly to him for any length of time but I have read MANY of his posts.. I enjoy the truth they tell...

James 3
Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

 

[HisHolly]

Why do people attack personal application as if it nullifies the truth in the scriptures?

So, let's test out your own "personal application" of those scriptures.

Do you still sin from time to time? Do you still do the works of the flesh from time to time?

Remember that lying, deceit, malice, the slandering of others in the body of Christ is just as much sinning as living the homosexual lifestyle.


You can be honest with us then we can have a healthy discussion of the "application" of those scriptures and we all learn together. Thanks