Dualism, the doctrine of a disassociated identity

[PeterJens]

Slandering, try just stating facts and you should talk....go read your own posts hypocrite.....get the beam out and them come back.....

If you do not want to address the clear word of scripture, there is no more
to say. Our faith is founded on the word of God. Once you leave this everything
is left behind. No one is forced to walk with Christ but the conditions and desire
is clearly given.

John clearly writes Gods love in perfected in us when we walk with Him and love
one another. Odd you do not recognise this yet claim to know Him.

 

[dcontroversal]

If you do not want to address the clear word of scripture, there is no more
to say. Our faith is founded on the word of God. Once you leave this everything
is left behind. No one is forced to walk with Christ but the conditions and desire
is clearly given.

John clearly writes Gods love in perfected in us when we walk with Him and love
one another. Odd you do not recognise this yet claim to know Him.

See, you like all of the other workers for, fail to recognize that it is by FAITH that we know Christ and BY faith his RIGHTEOUSNESS and SALVATION are applied by BLOOD to the believer....the works DO NOT SAVE, facilitate SALVATION and or ADD to our salvation that we ALREADY possess in faith......so...I can just as easily say the same thing....and you claim to know him..........

 

[PeterJens]

See, you like all of the other workers for, fail to recognize that it is by FAITH that we know Christ and BY faith his RIGHTEOUSNESS and SALVATION are applied by BLOOD to the believer....the works DO NOT SAVE, facilitate SALVATION and or ADD to our salvation that we ALREADY possess in faith......so...I can just as easily say the same thing....and you claim to know him..........

Now I read the words you are writing, but you are not reading scripture just following
you own theories and construction.

Why you say you are saved by faith, it is a conviction of trust in Christ.
But in your mind it excludes obedience and following, love and the transformed life,
being born again and growing as a new creation.

But this is Jesus's definition of what faith in Him means.
Now I would much rather follow Jesus's meaning of faith than your own created one,
because Jesus is my Lord and you are a stranger. So my friend, I envite you to humble
yourself and listen to Christ.

You are my friends if you do what I command you.
John 15:14

And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:3

Now it is hard to ignore these ideas and scriptures, if you want to know Christ.

 

[gb9]

Now I read the words you are writing, but you are not reading scripture just following
you own theories and construction.

Why you say you are saved by faith, it is a conviction of trust in Christ.
But in your mind it excludes obedience and following, love and the transformed life,
being born again and growing as a new creation.

But this is Jesus's definition of what faith in Him means.
Now I would much rather follow Jesus's meaning of faith than your own created one,
because Jesus is my Lord and you are a stranger. So my friend, I envite you to humble
yourself and listen to Christ.

You are my friends if you do what I command you.
John 15:14

And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:3

Now it is hard to ignore these ideas and scriptures, if you want to know Christ.

a new command I give you-as I have loved you, so you must love each other-Jesus

 

[Utah]

I see the serpents seed has been busy, good morning ye brood of vipers!;and also a good morning to all my brethren (wherever they are?)

Thank you Jesus, for blessing me for righteousness sake.

 

[PeterJens]

a new command I give you-as I have loved you, so you must love each other-Jesus

Amen. Let us love one another, and know God loving us, with our histories and failures.

So much emotional denial and repression, no wonder people cannot find peace.
Can you accept you lust, you hate, you get angry, you get anxious and fearful, you want revenge
you hurt, you are lonely, you are terrified, you are joyful and exhuberent?

So many do not know all these feelings are good things, they make you a functioning human
being. What is wrong is the context, the focus, the reason, the release.

If you deny these things exist, they do not go away, they search out other ways of expressing
themselves in your life, and there is never resolution, but disfunctional behaviour.

Walking in faith, these simple emotional rules seem so strange, even a denial of the reality
of walking with Jesus, yet it is still part of who we are. If we allow true honesty to rule
in our hearts, then we will discover the true freedom truth brings.

 

[Utah]

Is righteous indignation walking after the flesh? Was John and Jesus walking after the flesh when they firmly rebuked the religious hypocrites of their day by calling them serpents, generation of vipers, blind guides, whited walls, hypocrites, children of hell etc. Tell me, do you think Jesus was also walking after the flesh in saying these things? It matters not what you think of me, but if you judge me you had better be sure you judge me in righteousness.

Jesus is God; God is love; Jesus rebukes in love; you rebuke in unrighteous hatred of God's children who are washed in the blood of Christ, and whom God loves.

Pious rebuttal awaited with glee.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Psalm 69:4
They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away.

 

[Persuaded]

Psalm 69:4
They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away.

Arrogance!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Send in the clowns.....there gots to be clowns! lol

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

you have stated many times that you do not " willfully or habitually sin ".

Are you stating that you DO willfully sin...?
Are you stating that DO habitually sin?

There is a problem with not willfully or habitually sinning...?

 

[dcontroversal]

Are you stating that you DO willfully sin...?
Are you stating that DO habitually sin?

There is a problem with not willfully or habitually sinning...?

All sin is by choice......is it not? When Peter cussed and denied the Lord did he do so knowing it was sin?.....and did he lose his salvation.....NOPE.......

When David numbered the people did he not know it was sin? Did he lose his salvation...NOPE.....

just saying....!

 

[stonesoffire]

One of the best sermons I've ever heard was on psalms 24 I think it is...all my bones are out of joint.

How can His body walk together when we are so disjointed?

I don't know the answer to this. But, I've often wondered.

I think I'll take a break for a while too. This kind of debating on two threads is one too many.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Are you stating that you DO willfully sin...?
Are you stating that DO habitually sin?

There is a problem with not willfully or habitually sinning...?

Read post #129 it confirms by their own words what many in this cult believes.

 

[gb9]

Are you stating that you DO willfully sin...?
Are you stating that DO habitually sin?

There is a problem with not willfully or habitually sinning...?

thank you for asking, I am not giving you a snarky response. my answer is - I do not believe in " sin separation " . to me, this is a dangerous way to think, because it makes it easy to excuse or overlook sin, instead of confessing and repenting.

the guide I use is " knowing to do good and not doing so", that is easy to identify if one is missing the mark or not.

 

[Grace777x70]

All sin is by choice......is it not? When Peter cussed and denied the Lord did he do so knowing it was sin?.....and did he lose his salvation.....NOPE.......

When David numbered the people did he not know it was sin? Did he lose his salvation...NOPE.....

just saying....!

Yes...all sinning is wilful if we were being honest. The person slandering others in the body of Christ and expressing malice to them is just as wilful in that sinning as living the homosexual lifestyle is. Deceit and dishonesty is just as wilful sinning as committing adultery.

Paul called the Corinthians "the righteousness of God in Christ" even while they were having sex with prostitutes and causing strife and divisions amongst themselves.

Paul told them who they were in Christ - then he corrected their behavior with what the nature of Christ should look like in behavior. Don't you know that you are the temple of God?

Paul never said that they were not children of God - but were walking like mere men - fleshly - carnal. NOT that they were not born-again, and are children of the devil, accursed...haters of God's word....etc. The religious works-based mindset says that junk because it doesn't know the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ yet.

No one says it's ok to sin as sin is deceitful and distorts our view of God, others and ourselves.

The answer to baby Christians living in the flesh is to be teach the grace of God as it is the only thing that teaches us to deny ungodliness in this present world. It is not to be condemning them, calling them children of the devil, accursed, hater of God's word, lover of sinning, fire will consume them...etc

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Amen. Let us love one another, and know God loving us, with our histories and failures.

So much emotional denial and repression, no wonder people cannot find peace.
Can you accept you lust, you hate, you get angry, you get anxious and fearful, you want revenge
you hurt, you are lonely, you are terrified, you are joyful and exhuberent?

So many do not know all these feelings are good things, they make you a functioning human
being. What is wrong is the context, the focus, the reason, the release.

If you deny these things exist, they do not go away, they search out other ways of expressing
themselves in your life, and there is never resolution, but disfunctional behaviour.

Walking in faith, these simple emotional rules seem so strange, even a denial of the reality
of walking with Jesus, yet it is still part of who we are. If we allow true honesty to rule
in our hearts, then we will discover the true freedom truth brings.

I don't agree that feelings of lust and hate are good things.
I DO agree that denial that we have them is the worst thing we can do.
Trying to hide them is not what will help us, but going to God naked, without the fig leaves, and admitting they are there in our heart is the first step.

 

[Grace777x70]

Those that live in malice and slandering of others in the body of Christ are as guilty of the works in the flesh just like the practicing homosexual. The answer is to preach and teach the grace and love of God which is in the gospel as it is the only thing that has the power for salvation which is found only in Christ Himself. Rom. 1:16-17

I have written about this a few times but we need to look at how Paul dealt with the Christians at Corinth.

Paul told the Corinthians who they were in Christ..then corrected their behavior...he didn't say you were all unsaved now...

Like "sinless in the flesh perfection" people try to make us to believe.

..he told them who they were in Christ..saints..they have His righteousness, holiness..etc.

These are the very same people that were causing divisions and strife amongst each other. Men going to have sex with the temple prostitutes, believers taking each other to court, people getting drunk at Communion..etc.

Paul called them carnal Christians and yet at the same time called them "saints" - that they have the righteousness of God, that they were complete in Him, that they had the mind of Christ, that they were holy...etc...that Christ was confirmed as being in them.

Then Paul goes on to say in verse 8 " who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Paul gives them their true identity in Christ then goes on to describe what this true life in Christ will look like. Paul says later on to "Awake to righteousness and sin not" This is a call to see who you are in Christ and in seeing this - sin will fall off of us like dead leaves off a tree.

As can be seen by the letter Paul said to the 1 Corinthians.

Paul told them who they were in Christ...then corrected their behavior...he didn't say you were all unsaved now or that because they were sinning that they were not born of God like some people try to teach.

( without understanding the new creation in Christ - this "sinning" part will throw people off because they don't understand what is being done by giving in to the flesh and what the new man is Christ really is. )

Paul told them who they were in Christ...Here are 7 things that Paul confirmed as truth in the believers in Corinth before he went on to correct their behavior.


1) The Corinthians have been sanctified in Christ Jesus,

2) The Corinthians were now saints by calling

3) The Corinthians in everything were enriched in Him,

4)The Corinthians had the testimony concerning Christ was confirmed in them,

5) The Corinthians had that God will also confirm them to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ

6)The Corinthians had that it was by Gods doing that we are in Christ ( Not our own D.I.Y. self-righteousness and holiness )

7) That because the Corinthians were in Christ - Christ Himself became to them wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption


1 Corinthians 1:1-9 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

[SUP]3 [/SUP] Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given you in Christ Jesus,

[SUP]5 [/SUP] that in everything you were enriched in Him, in all speech and all knowledge,

[SUP]6 [/SUP] even as the testimony concerning Christ was confirmed in you,

[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,

[SUP]8 [/SUP] who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[SUP]9 [/SUP] God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Corinthians 1:30 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,


Preach and teach the grace of Christ as it is the only think that teaches us how to live godly in this world. Titus 2:11-12. The word of His grace is the only thing that is able to build us up and that gives us the inheritance that is ours in Christ. Acts 20:32

Here above is how Paul handled the Corinthians who were carnal.

Notice the stark contrast from what Paul does and this response which is condemning people to hell - you are all children of the devil, accursed, lovers of sinning, haters of God's word, demonic and you are not born-again.


Perhaps this is the reason why some people ask questions about "personal application" of some scriptures? It is not the scriptures themselves that people have a problem with. It's the condemnation to the believer that is in Christ and the fact that young Christians will have their faith shipwrecked.

 

[Utah]

Why you say you are saved by faith, it is a conviction of trust in Christ.
But in your mind it excludes obedience and following, love and the transformed life,
being born again and growing as a new creation.

Name one CC member who openly strives to be disobedient to Christ.

 

[Utah]

Psalm 69:4
They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away.

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