Women Pastors? Help me.
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This is not an issue about the inspiration of God's word it's an issue about whether or not one understands the context and how it was arrived at. When Paul wrote to the Corinthians it wasn't out of thin air. They had an ongoing relationship with Paul and knew about a lot of these things that are not necessarily covered in the Scripture that we now have. If you refuse to recognize external evidence and context then you refuse to understand what the Bible is actually teaching. If you take single verses out of context and try to build a doctrine on them you're also refusing to understand what the Bible is teaching. what you're doing is practicing eisegesis. Paul makes it very clear throughout the New Testament that women were actively engaged in the growing Church and were actively participating in the teaching. To single out one or two verses and try to build your anti-feminine position is obviously not in accordance with God's will. Quoting other false teachers doesn't support your position it just enforces that it is false teaching.
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I wrote in my main teaching that God told me to write the everyone is meant to be equal and this unfairness and injustice has got to stop between us. I am well aware that the bible basally says in simple words that men are to be more equal then women. But I am a Man and I am strongly against that part of scripture. Not everyone goes with what I wrote given take I've had over a million views on my entire Christian Facebook Page within less than 2 years time and only about 20,000 followers but Like I said off Facebook on my new webpage that I made God gave me a difficult task to speak my heart and teach people
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I allready showed you scripture (if you ignore it its youe buiseness), but you could not show scripture which shows that woman can be ore should be Pastors and should have authority about man.
Maby in canada there is a consens, that Romans 16,7 is speaking from a female called Junia, but this is not consens among all christians! I wrote allready why.
The first woman leaders we find in the 2nd century in the sects of Montanists.(btw they practices manly prophecie, and also speaking in tongues, shaking and healings). But is was never a teaching during the apostolic time, nor among the churchfathers and also not during the reformation period. You could find woman as deacons, but not as leaders of a church (pastor). Except in some sects. The first denomination which took also woman in leadership was the salvation army. The first female pastor in germany protestant church was in 1958.
Yes and today you find female Pastors in plenty denominations. Biblical this is only based on Romans 16,7 with a not clear message, but there is plenty scripture which are contradict to it.
Concern hermeneutics we can come only to an conclusion if we have the same hermeneutic fundamentels. Maby in canada you have only one hermeneutic position, we in germany have at least 8 different positions.
So which hermeneutic fundamentals you follow and which position you have?
Maby in canada there is a consens, that Romans 16,7 is speaking from a female called Junia, but this is not consens among all christians! I wrote allready why.
The first woman leaders we find in the 2nd century in the sects of Montanists.(btw they practices manly prophecie, and also speaking in tongues, shaking and healings). But is was never a teaching during the apostolic time, nor among the churchfathers and also not during the reformation period. You could find woman as deacons, but not as leaders of a church (pastor). Except in some sects. The first denomination which took also woman in leadership was the salvation army. The first female pastor in germany protestant church was in 1958.
Yes and today you find female Pastors in plenty denominations. Biblical this is only based on Romans 16,7 with a not clear message, but there is plenty scripture which are contradict to it.
Concern hermeneutics we can come only to an conclusion if we have the same hermeneutic fundamentels. Maby in canada you have only one hermeneutic position, we in germany have at least 8 different positions.
So which hermeneutic fundamentals you follow and which position you have?
and the same arguments go around and around and around!!! where it will stop nobody knows!!
The bible very clearly says that a woman shouldn't speak in the assembly (not saying they can't visit with their friends or teach kids bible classes). If a woman isn't allowed to speak in the assembly then how is she going to be a pastor?
I know men and women are equal in the sight of God and I know men aren't smarter and I am not a person who looks down on women in any way, but the bible says what it says. Just like when God gave specific orders on how to build the arc how to build the tabernacle etc, he also has a specific order on how he wants his church to worship him. It is very simple, no need to twist the words or say it don't mean what it says.
The bible very clearly says that a woman shouldn't speak in the assembly (not saying they can't visit with their friends or teach kids bible classes). If a woman isn't allowed to speak in the assembly then how is she going to be a pastor?
I know men and women are equal in the sight of God and I know men aren't smarter and I am not a person who looks down on women in any way, but the bible says what it says. Just like when God gave specific orders on how to build the arc how to build the tabernacle etc, he also has a specific order on how he wants his church to worship him. It is very simple, no need to twist the words or say it don't mean what it says.
Regarding Genesis 3:16, do you see it as a command? If so, what in the text supports this view? If you see it as a statement of consequence, as what God says will happen but not necessarily what He wants to happen, then why reference it to support the complementarian position?
How does quoting this verse add to the discussion?
How does quoting this verse add to the discussion?