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I wrote a post and asked if the Christians in this forum ever believed that they were headed for hell before they became Christians. I don't think anyone answered. I know that before I accepted Jesus as my Savior and committed to God that I was headed for hell. Anyone else? If you don't recognize that you were lost then why would you now believe that you are saved?
G
Absolutely, I realized I was headed for Hell and what's more, I knew I deserved it. I was twelve, but well aware of my sinful state. I knew I was lost in my sin, and in no way could save myself. Fortunately, I was raised in an excellent Bible believing church, and knew exactly what to do the same night I realized I was Hell doomed. I called out to Jesus to save me, and He did.
What is the topic? Hell? Oh! I have an explanation for that. 
As long as you believe in Jesus Christ... His Gospel (1 Cor 15: 1-4)
Have a very Blessed day.
Blade
Yes. And after all, fear is the beginning of wisdom. However, perfect love cats out fear. You talk like saved people should still live in fear of God when they know His love and forgiveness.
Then I found out that hell is the grave, and death the many times explicitly stated consequence of sin. Hell is not what many promote. People will say ridiculous things like, death is not punishment. Jesus is Life. In Him we live, outside of Him is death. It does not get any simpler than that. Wanting to turn God into a sadistic monster Who is going to torture and torment people goes against everything you should believe about the goodness, mercy, and justice of God. Not to mention that He specifically say that he thought of burning people never entered His mind. But people are attached to and promote the lie of Satan at the core of the fall of all creation: Thou shalt surely not die.
Then I found out that hell is the grave, and death the many times explicitly stated consequence of sin. Hell is not what many promote. People will say ridiculous things like, death is not punishment. Jesus is Life. In Him we live, outside of Him is death. It does not get any simpler than that. Wanting to turn God into a sadistic monster Who is going to torture and torment people goes against everything you should believe about the goodness, mercy, and justice of God. Not to mention that He specifically say that he thought of burning people never entered His mind. But people are attached to and promote the lie of Satan at the core of the fall of all creation: Thou shalt surely not die.
Yes, for after all, fear is the beginning of wisdom. However, perfect love casts out fear. You talk like saved people should still live in fear of God when they know His love and forgiveness through Christ.
Then I found out that hell is the grave, and death the many times explicitly stated consequence of sin. Hell is not what many promote. People will say ridiculous things like, death is not punishment.
Jesus is Life. In Him we live, outside of Him is death. It does not get any simpler than that. Wanting to turn God into a sadistic monster Who is going to torture and torment people goes against everything anyone should believe about the goodness, mercy, and justice of God. Not to mention that He specifically said that the thought of burning people never entered His mind. But people are attached to and promote the lie of Satan at the core of the fall of all creation: Thou shalt surely not die.
I can and have multiple times given reams of Scripture to support this view, explicit statements about death being the consequence of sin, how those who do not believe will be utterly destroyed. The most well known verse of Scripture from the mouth of Jesus Christ proclaims that those who do not believe on Him shall perish. People act like He does not know what He is talking about, and will slander me and lie about me and say I reject what the Word of God says even after I have posted the many many many Scriptures that say: death is the wages of sin. The nonbelievers go to the second death. The dead know nothing.
Somehow this view, what Scripture explicitly teaches, offends people.
Re-posted and added to, to fix grammatical and spelling errors, among other things.
Then I found out that hell is the grave, and death the many times explicitly stated consequence of sin. Hell is not what many promote. People will say ridiculous things like, death is not punishment.
Jesus is Life. In Him we live, outside of Him is death. It does not get any simpler than that. Wanting to turn God into a sadistic monster Who is going to torture and torment people goes against everything anyone should believe about the goodness, mercy, and justice of God. Not to mention that He specifically said that the thought of burning people never entered His mind. But people are attached to and promote the lie of Satan at the core of the fall of all creation: Thou shalt surely not die.
I can and have multiple times given reams of Scripture to support this view, explicit statements about death being the consequence of sin, how those who do not believe will be utterly destroyed. The most well known verse of Scripture from the mouth of Jesus Christ proclaims that those who do not believe on Him shall perish. People act like He does not know what He is talking about, and will slander me and lie about me and say I reject what the Word of God says even after I have posted the many many many Scriptures that say: death is the wages of sin. The nonbelievers go to the second death. The dead know nothing.
Somehow this view, what Scripture explicitly teaches, offends people.
Re-posted and added to, to fix grammatical and spelling errors, among other things.
Hell is not yet created, hell is the lake of fire and for those people claiming to have gone to hell or hades they must not read the Bible much. Here's what Jesus said about the place of torment. Luke 16:24-26 "Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us."
Abraham is telling the rich man that, he can't come to them and they can't go to him. So how are these people going to hell while they're died for 23 minutes. Once they're there there's no coming back. Here's another thing, they see people being tortured by demons or devils, when it was created to punish the devil and his angels. Matthew 25:41b "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:"
They also say that they see people or things, when Jesus say it's a place of darkness. Matthew 8:12 "But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Also 22:13 & 25:30, this is a place of great torture, which results in weeping and grinding of teeth or utter agony. There is nothing to see in hell, they would also only have a sense of falling. Here's another description of the place of torment Revelation 9:1-2 "Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit." Also verses 9:11, 11:7, 17:8, 20:1, 3.
So these people report that they where in a place of torment, with extreme darkness, flames of fire, where you you feel like you are falling forever, like that feeling you have when you wake up from a dream where you were falling but never get the bottom, while crying vehemently and grinding your teeth because of the pain. That's what the Bible says about hell or the place of torture, yet these people report something else. They need to read where it says that liars are cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 21:8 "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
Here's another thing, if they were in hades, they couldn't get out according to Jesus and Abraham. Once there, they would go from Hades to the lake of fire Revelation 20:14 "Than Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." It is impossible to go, see, be, experience, Hades or Hell.
Abraham is telling the rich man that, he can't come to them and they can't go to him. So how are these people going to hell while they're died for 23 minutes. Once they're there there's no coming back. Here's another thing, they see people being tortured by demons or devils, when it was created to punish the devil and his angels. Matthew 25:41b "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:"
They also say that they see people or things, when Jesus say it's a place of darkness. Matthew 8:12 "But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Also 22:13 & 25:30, this is a place of great torture, which results in weeping and grinding of teeth or utter agony. There is nothing to see in hell, they would also only have a sense of falling. Here's another description of the place of torment Revelation 9:1-2 "Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit." Also verses 9:11, 11:7, 17:8, 20:1, 3.
So these people report that they where in a place of torment, with extreme darkness, flames of fire, where you you feel like you are falling forever, like that feeling you have when you wake up from a dream where you were falling but never get the bottom, while crying vehemently and grinding your teeth because of the pain. That's what the Bible says about hell or the place of torture, yet these people report something else. They need to read where it says that liars are cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 21:8 "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
Here's another thing, if they were in hades, they couldn't get out according to Jesus and Abraham. Once there, they would go from Hades to the lake of fire Revelation 20:14 "Than Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." It is impossible to go, see, be, experience, Hades or Hell.
S
Where you make your mistake is insinuating that death in the Bible refers to spiritual things. It doesn't, death in the Bible refers to the body, never the spirit.
Matt 25:41 and Rev 20:10 make it very clear that those spiritual beings endure eternal separation from God as their torment that they will receive in the Lake of Fire.
Matt 25:41 and Rev 20:10 make it very clear that those spiritual beings endure eternal separation from God as their torment that they will receive in the Lake of Fire.
Why do you assume I make that mistake? I have said nothing to make you believe I have even hinted at such a thing, since I speak of the resurrection and judgement of all and that is a physical thing and death is a physical thing, the utter destruction of body and soul, just as Jesus says. LOL and then you turn around and make it a spiritual thing.