Is anything more sad then the deceived Christian? It is like the football player who got hit really hard and spun around while running for a touchdown, and without realizing it he was running to score for the opposing team, and he did it to, he made points for the team they were trying to beat. Though it was obvious to the spectators that he was scoring for the enemy, yet not obvious at all to him, he was making a total fool out of himself in the eyes of everyone but himself. So it is with the professing Christians who insist on promoting the false pre-tribulation gathering of the church. They are joyously charging down the field to score points for Satan, not knowing that informed Christians, the angels of God, the Father and the Son, are saddened, possibly even embarrassed(if God can be embarrassed). Of course, Satan and his followers are rolling on the ground with laugher because they have professing people of God destroying people of God. Make no doubt about it, if the false pre-trib rapture is still in place when Christ returns it will cause the loss of possibly millions of souls.
THE DECEIVED CHRISTIAN
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This is a discussion forum, and it seems to me that if you see things differently then others, rather then assuming they are in deception and you ae not is not the wisest course here, you like any of us have reasons for believing the way you do.
We as believers are tasked to give answer for what we believe with meekness and respect... and this based on biblical text, if you see things different then another rather then attacking their viewpoint, calmly and respectfully present your side with scripture, its not about whos right and whos wrong but rather , the seeking of truth, this is how we learn.
if what you believe be true, it will stand up to any scrutiny brought to bear with scripture (presented in proper context) and if it be error it will be proven as such, not by the person but by the scripture itself, either way its a win/win situation we either affirm the truth we hold to, or we root out the error we have accepted.
The words of the Almighty are powerful and Holy and demand reverence, and recognition of the One who gave them.
We as believers are tasked to give answer for what we believe with meekness and respect... and this based on biblical text, if you see things different then another rather then attacking their viewpoint, calmly and respectfully present your side with scripture, its not about whos right and whos wrong but rather , the seeking of truth, this is how we learn.
if what you believe be true, it will stand up to any scrutiny brought to bear with scripture (presented in proper context) and if it be error it will be proven as such, not by the person but by the scripture itself, either way its a win/win situation we either affirm the truth we hold to, or we root out the error we have accepted.
The words of the Almighty are powerful and Holy and demand reverence, and recognition of the One who gave them.
Samuel, your posts have a way of highlighting your own error. You go on and on about
any who do not accept this or that while you refuse plain readings of Scripture yourself.
Your predictions for such people are always so dire. Do you apply them to yourself also?
Are we to feel sorry for you and shake our heads in sad dismay as you make Satan laugh?
any who do not accept this or that while you refuse plain readings of Scripture yourself.
Your predictions for such people are always so dire. Do you apply them to yourself also?
Are we to feel sorry for you and shake our heads in sad dismay as you make Satan laugh?
Hi Samuel,
At first I thought you were a young man. And then I saw that you're a senior citizen. In our older years we can seed a lot of wisdom and guidance when our hearts are right.
In your walk with the Lord, have you ever believed one thing, only to find later that you were wrong and your understanding now lines up with scriptures?
Those who are truly believers have the foundation correct. They believe with all their heart in God their Savior. They've been born again by God's grace through faith in His Son. And now they're building on that foundation.
Along the way we are all having our minds renewed in the Lord through the power of the Holy Spirit. But that all takes a lifetime of growing, learning, reading scripture, praying, study, body life, etc. And along the way we may pick up some wrong teachings and later we repent and our minds are transformed to the truth when we get it wrong.
It's not a zap and you know it all. We'll never know everything, but at least we can have the basics down and build on that foundation.
Let's not put a stumbling block in the way of others. If you disagree with a teaching, sure it may be wrong, but that doesn't mean they're on their way to hell because they got one thing wrong.
Give the Lord the opportunity to move in their heart and life to come to see the truth as it really is. And always consider your own beliefs to make sure you aren't the one with the misunderstanding.
We are here to help others grow in love and in truth. We can't leave out loving our brothers in the Lord. And if you sense they aren't a brother, all the more to love that person into the kingdom.
If they are false and you know it, don't engage them and let God deal with their lies. We all can speak truth in love and it adds a whole lot more power to our words than condemnation does. God is the one who condemns. We don't really know a man's heart. Only God does.
Let me ask you this samual, who are you to call anyone who believes in the pretrib deceived? Just because it opposes what you believe to be the truth is no cause to call them deceived and whats more to make a thread with the specific purpose to mock them and call them deceived is simply sad. We are called to love and to encourage and build each other up not to look down upon and mock, if you hold such a bitter view against people who believe in the pretib rapture perhaps you need to search your own heart because we have no room in our hearts for such things and it certainly isn't going to do anyone any good. Or did just make this thread to rant and stir the pot?
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this happened to Jim Marshall a hall of fame football player, interesting though after making such a blunder, in the closing minutes of that game, Jim forced a fumble and his teammate picked up the ball and ran it in for a touchdown thus his team won...
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How does contemplating whether or not there is a pre-trib rapture have an affect on one's salvation which comes from the shed blood of Jesus dying for our sins? What you have stated will not result in the loss of any souls whatsoever. Certain individuals merely believe that one or the other lines of thought is implied. There may indeed be a rapture but regardless, that will in no way negate one's salvation.
The book of Revelation really does not state clearly that there will even be a rapture, pre-tribe, mid-trib or post-trib.
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The book of Revelation really does not state clearly that there will even be a rapture, pre-tribe, mid-trib or post-trib.
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Be ready to go when the time comes and there will be nothing to worry about.I believe in pre-trib.If it doesn't happen that way I'll hold on until the Lord takes me home. You mocking and intimating that a person isn't saved because they believe pre-trib is nonsense. Pure nonsense. And seems to be wishful thinking on your part. I fellowship with Christians in my life that believe OSAS,I dont but I dont argue black and blue with them,I dont get joy out of thinking I may be right and they may be wrong. We love each other in the Lord. I had a gf that believed you had to be baptized to be saved,I dont but we are lifelong friends to this day. I have friends with all sorts of beliefs that arent the same as mine and we fellowship and love each other in the Lord.So seriously,Ive seen all your negative posts,knock it off.Its getting past annoying.
Scoring points for satan? smh Well there goes 20 yrs of ministry down the drain. Guess I was just out there scoring points for the ol' devil. Gimme a break with all this nonsense. God knows the heart,and thankfully Hes the judge,not you. Be ready and when He calls we'll go up,or stay down whichever you all believe. After reading the opposite posts in these forums Im more confused than a termite in a yo-yo.No wonder we cant get folks into church!
Scoring points for satan? smh Well there goes 20 yrs of ministry down the drain. Guess I was just out there scoring points for the ol' devil. Gimme a break with all this nonsense. God knows the heart,and thankfully Hes the judge,not you. Be ready and when He calls we'll go up,or stay down whichever you all believe. After reading the opposite posts in these forums Im more confused than a termite in a yo-yo.No wonder we cant get folks into church!
I like this reasoning it shows a good detective..
This is why we have sherlock holmes standards and your average pc standards... now you could call this gifts to and each man being fitted out according to his measure of faith..
Now the full measure of faith is a gift in my book as not all can have it and be a holy moses.. Now that said not all faith alone saved alone can be saved if they dont bare fruits... this is a decievement if they say otherwise..
Now for the main part not all have the gift of disernment or patience so trying to undersdtand or suspect that the person there talking to may well have been decieved doesnt even enter the head.. coz there so far gone with bitterness that anyone who doesnt agree with them is the enemy..
This is why we have sherlock holmes standards and your average pc standards... now you could call this gifts to and each man being fitted out according to his measure of faith..
Now the full measure of faith is a gift in my book as not all can have it and be a holy moses.. Now that said not all faith alone saved alone can be saved if they dont bare fruits... this is a decievement if they say otherwise..
Now for the main part not all have the gift of disernment or patience so trying to undersdtand or suspect that the person there talking to may well have been decieved doesnt even enter the head.. coz there so far gone with bitterness that anyone who doesnt agree with them is the enemy..
While I agree that EVERY TOPIC found in the bible is valid for discussion, learning and profitable (every word of God)..I do find it interesting that for every 1 (ONE) prophecy concerning the 1st coming of Christ there are 8 (eight) that deal with his 2nd coming.....when it comes to ANY biblical truth or doctrine there is no such thing as most important and or least important....they ALL have equal weight, value and instruction in some form or fashion....JESUS seen fit to give a 8 to 1 ratio and to undermine, say the second coming is not important and or not to be valued as high as salvation devalues the inspiration of said prophecies......imo
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DC? I believe in a pretrib rapture. If it doesn't happen, I have everything I need to make it through it. His mercy and grace.
But I will never stick a shiv in your back because you see a post trib rapture. If I am wrong, my ash pile will just be a little bigger than yours.
IMO the gift of salvation is on a level all by itself, the rewards and growing in His grace and knowledge after we are saved are secondary.
I wouldn't mind seeing a detailed layout of your doctrine of the post trib rapture. I respect you and believe you have a LOT of truth. But I have not seen a detailed layout of your belief. I would study it and consider it brother.
But I will never stick a shiv in your back because you see a post trib rapture. If I am wrong, my ash pile will just be a little bigger than yours.
IMO the gift of salvation is on a level all by itself, the rewards and growing in His grace and knowledge after we are saved are secondary.
I wouldn't mind seeing a detailed layout of your doctrine of the post trib rapture. I respect you and believe you have a LOT of truth. But I have not seen a detailed layout of your belief. I would study it and consider it brother.
Thanks for the post Blind, you really made my point. You are so totally deceived that you are ignoring the millions of people who could lose their souls because of the spreading of this false pre-trib rapture doctrine, meanwhile you are trying to lecture me on bringing life to the lost. Why don't YOU bring life to the lost? You may escape the destruction that comes from promoting the false pre-trib rapture, but the generation alive when Christ returns will suffer terribly because of it, that could be your grand children or great grand children.