THE DECEIVED CHRISTIAN
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Could it be just as simple as, most all bible teachers went to a school where they insisted that they believe the pre-trib position, so they just accepted what their teachers told them to accept and did not question it?
You seem to Have some experience in bible schools and what is taught. Was this something you saw or someone you know saw and learnt in such schools?
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Could it be just as simple as, most all bible teachers went to a school where they insisted that they believe the pre-trib position, so they just accepted what their teachers told them to accept and did not question it?
While I agree that EVERY TOPIC found in the bible is valid for discussion, learning and profitable (every word of God)..I do find it interesting that for every 1 (ONE) prophecy concerning the 1st coming of Christ there are 8 (eight) that deal with his 2nd coming.....when it comes to ANY biblical truth or doctrine there is no such thing as most important and or least important....they ALL have equal weight, value and instruction in some form or fashion....JESUS seen fit to give a 8 to 1 ratio and to undermine, say the second coming is not important and or not to be valued as high as salvation devalues the inspiration of said prophecies......imo
"We can gauge the importance of Christ’s Second Coming by contrasting the number of times it is mentioned in the Scriptures alongside other teachings:
1) The “new Birth” (conversion) is mentioned 9 times in the New Testament.
2) Baptism is mentioned 20 times.
3) Repentance is mentioned 70 times.
4) The Second Coming is mentioned 380 times in the New Testament alone!"
Taken from a blog I did which is found Here
M
You really need to get a grip.
Go back to the Gospel Of Christ.
Our mission is to bring His Life to the lost. Not Bring death to His Children that have HIS life. You even SEEM to do it with a little bit of joy?
Go back to the Gospel Of Christ.
Our mission is to bring His Life to the lost. Not Bring death to His Children that have HIS life. You even SEEM to do it with a little bit of joy?
M
Is anything more sad then the deceived Christian? It is like the football player who got hit really hard and spun around while running for a touchdown, and without realizing it he was running to score for the opposing team, and he did it to, he made points for the team they were trying to beat. Though it was obvious to the spectators that he was scoring for the enemy, yet not obvious at all to him, he was making a total fool out of himself in the eyes of everyone but himself. So it is with the professing Christians who insist on promoting the false pre-tribulation gathering of the church. They are joyously charging down the field to score points for Satan, not knowing that informed Christians, the angels of God, the Father and the Son, are saddened, possibly even embarrassed(if God can be embarrassed). Of course, Satan and his followers are rolling on the ground with laugher because they have professing people of God destroying people of God. Make no doubt about it, if the false pre-trib rapture is still in place when Christ returns it will cause the loss of possibly millions of souls.
M
you refuse plain readings of Scripture yourself.
M
Let's not put a stumbling block in the way of others. If you disagree with a teaching, sure it may be wrong, but that doesn't mean they're on their way to hell because they got one thing wrong.
Give the Lord the opportunity to move in their heart and life to come to see the truth as it really is. And always consider your own beliefs to make sure you aren't the one with the misunderstanding.
Give the Lord the opportunity to move in their heart and life to come to see the truth as it really is. And always consider your own beliefs to make sure you aren't the one with the misunderstanding.
Quite sadly, I'm in agreement with sam and would take it a step further and say there is a HUGE TON of people who populate the Evangleical/consrvative church world who are in grave and dire danger of, indeed, splitting the gates of Hell wide open. Many, many, many insincere "fair weather friends" in Christianity today who need to be frightened out of their socks.
In your walk with the Lord, have you ever believed one thing, only to find later that you were wrong and your understanding now lines up with scriptures?
M
Let me ask you this samual, who are you to call anyone who believes in the pretrib deceived?
to make a thread with the specific purpose to mock them...
...a bitter view against people...
...a bitter view against people...
We are called to love and to encourage and build each other up
M
How does contemplating whether or not there is a pre-trib rapture have an affect on one's salvation which comes from the shed blood of Jesus dying for our sins? What you have stated will not result in the loss of any souls whatsoever.
All of this is VERY MUCH a "salvational" issue. Many, many believers will turn out not to have been genuine believers and will end up in fiery judgment.
Matthew 24:9-13:
"Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another...most people’s [believer's] love will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved."
Only the believers who "endure to the end" will be saved.
M
Besides I'm pretty sure God looks to the heart not when we believe the rapture will happen, he knows his own regardless of their belief when or how the rapture happens
M
Sad how many prideful Christians feel the need to start their own threads on topics that already have existing, especially when it's a post just to trash other Christians on something not essential to salvation.
And by the way, I see only about 5 threads on Bible prophecy out of 40 threads on the first two pages of this Bible discussion board. That's only 12.5%. Fully 25% of the scriptures are prophecy. We're about 5 threads short of our quota - LOL!
M
Be ready to go when the time comes and there will be nothing to worry about.I believe in pre-trib.If it doesn't happen that way I'll hold on until the Lord takes me home.
Can you imagine sitting next to those four disciples when Jesus was conveying the Olivet Discourse...then afterwards you get up and say "you know, Jesus...I'm just going to have to say the 'jury's out' on this one".
M
If the rapture doesn't happen then oh well. My faith is based on my relationship with Jesus not theories on pre-trib, post trib, no trib, triblets etc....
Jesus is standing there, delivering the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24/25 (and Mark 13/ Luke 21)...and you can either sit down beside Peter, James, John and Andrew and take notes...OR you can get up and declare "pffft...none of this is important...not worth the time of day".
"Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. Because lawlessness is increased, most people’s love will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved." Matthew 24:9-13
Just to continue in this line of thought:
"We can gauge the importance of Christ’s Second Coming by contrasting the number of times it is mentioned in the Scriptures alongside other teachings:
1) The “new Birth” (conversion) is mentioned 9 times in the New Testament.
2) Baptism is mentioned 20 times.
3) Repentance is mentioned 70 times.
4) The Second Coming is mentioned 380 times in the New Testament alone!"
Taken from a blog I did which is found Here
"We can gauge the importance of Christ’s Second Coming by contrasting the number of times it is mentioned in the Scriptures alongside other teachings:
1) The “new Birth” (conversion) is mentioned 9 times in the New Testament.
2) Baptism is mentioned 20 times.
3) Repentance is mentioned 70 times.
4) The Second Coming is mentioned 380 times in the New Testament alone!"
Taken from a blog I did which is found Here
There is this absurd double talk that says, as long as I am following Jesus it does not matter if I am not following Jesus. Folks, those who reject the return of Christ that Jesus gave the church(post trib), and believe something else..ARE NOT FOLLOWING JESUS in that area of their life! That is the point I keep trying to make, if a Christian rejects the words of Jesus about His return, they are rejecting a very important teaching by Jesus and in THAT AREA they are NOT FOLLOWING JESUS. Most everyone agrees that after you are saved you must follow the Lord. What happens to Christians who willfully refuse to follow Jesus in the area of Christ return? I really do not know, except I know that one who refuses to follow their Lord in something as important as His return will most certainly have to answer to God for what they did.
There is this absurd double talk that says, as long as I am following Jesus it does not matter if I am not following Jesus. Folks, those who reject the return of Christ that Jesus gave the church(post trib), and believe something else..ARE NOT FOLLOWING JESUS in that area of their life! That is the point I keep trying to make, if a Christian rejects the words of Jesus about His return, they are rejecting a very important teaching by Jesus and in THAT AREA they are NOT FOLLOWING JESUS. Most everyone agrees that after you are saved you must follow the Lord. What happens to Christians who willfully refuse to follow Jesus in the area of Christ return? I really do not know, except I know that one who refuses to follow their Lord in something as important as His return will most certainly have to answer to God for what they did.