If Jesus Intended for Christianity to be Exclusively a “Religion of the Book,” Why

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No - you "interpreted" my post in a feeble attempt to establish your opening post....
....while hiding your agenda. I wasn't born again yesterday....
What you described, by its very definition, is "Oral Tradition". You are being very dishonest with yourself and everybody here to try to claim you didn't know that what you were describing is "Oral Tradition".
 

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That Sola Scriptura approach is wrong...?

That the existence of the Christian Church comes before the writing of the New Testament?

To explain the discrepancies found in the narratives of the New Testament? These discrepancies clearly show that there was more than one version of the accounts circulating orally.
Both Jesus and Paul knew that rules and requirements were just to get you seriously engaged with the need for grace and mercy; they were never an end in themselves. I agree with the OP...Mark 7: [SUP]6 [/SUP]He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules. Christ came to deliver us from rules and regulations...Jesus said love fulfils all the law...therefore, the only sin is the sin against love.
 

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What you described, by its very definition, is "Oral Tradition". You are being very dishonest with yourself and everybody here to try to claim you didn't know that what you were describing is "Oral Tradition".
You're the one being deceptive - hiding your agenda and this is not what I stated.


Oral:
adjective

  • by word of mouth; spoken rather than written.

 

John146

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did He wait 1400 years before showing somebody how to build a printing press?
His word was and is always preserved for man. Before 1611? It was in the process of being assembled to completion. God's timing is perfect. The gospel of Jesus Christ was always available through faithful men and women.
 
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You're the one being deceptive - hiding your agenda and this is not what I stated.
Oral: adjective
  • by word of mouth; spoken rather than written.
Thank You. (Oral Tradition) by word of mouth; spoken rather than written.
 

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regardless of if there were written words in Jesus time or not, in order to know whether what you are living by is the Holy Spirit, you need to test it against what the Spirit has decided before. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever, so since the Bible was Holy Spirit inspired (is that the word I'm looking for?) then what the Spirit is telling the church or you will not contradict.
 
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His word was and is always preserved for man. Before 1611? It was in the process of being assembled to completion. God's timing is perfect. The gospel of Jesus Christ was always available through faithful men and women.
I do agree!
 

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did He wait 1400 years before showing somebody how to build a printing press?
I think that, regarding the development of writing, Jesus came at the right time, but I don't think He intended his followers to have a by-the-book mentality.
 
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The old testament is the new testament hidden. The new testament is the old revealed.

The Christian faith has deep jewish, Hebrew, roots. We have and serve the same God as in the old. This God says he never changes. We have been grafted in. To say Christianity is a new religion is untrue for it is not a religion, and well established in the old testament.
 
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Scriptural writings were sent to all the churches so they would know the word of God. Satan can make us think God is telling us something when it is not God, Satan cannot change what is in the scriptures that reveal the mind of God, so Satan will try to make Christians think that they do not really need the scriptures all that much.
 

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This whole nonsense that the Roman and Greek cultures, to say nothing of the extremely literate Jewish culture, were illiterates is such garbage!

The Romans and the Greeks had a long history of reading and writing. At the time of the NT, there were millions of papers used by ordinary people for things like shopping lists, letters to family and other written words, that are being uncovered and catalogued today. This was the common people who spoke the common (Koine) Greek. Not the amaneusis or scholars.

The Hebrew boys not only learned to read and write in the synagogue schools, they memorized large parts of the OT. Both the Greek and the Hebrew OTs. So they knew at least two languages. In Palestine, at the time of Christ, most also knew Aramaic. That is a lot more languages than the average North American knows. (Not saying Europe, they have the multi-language thing mastered there!)

We won't even get into the low level of reading and writing, the mistakes which place so many people in the category of being barely literate today!

As for the OP's question about why GOD did not invent the printing press for 1400 years, in fact, it was MEN who invented the printing press. Up till that time, do you think God had no method of preserving his Word? In fact, the monks in Byzantine Empire in particular spent their whole lives copying the whole NT, and there are more than 5000 manuscipts from the early times in the church till the invention of the printing press. Those are just the preserved ones, we have no idea how many thousands were burned, destroyed or lost forever. Those early printing presses probably were just about as slow as the monks copying the texts by hand.

The whole point is, God did have a plan. He sent the gospel into the Roman world, with safe roads and seas, as the Roman army protected everyone. People all read and wrote in Greek. The NT was written in Greek so it could be read to both Jews and Gentiles. And studied by everyone! The time Jesus was born, lived and died was the fullness of time. The gospel went out into the world at an amazing rate! In just over 300 years, Christianity had spread to the known world.

Now, the Middle Ages is another story with regards to literacy, but the Roman times were very literate, not a bunch of uneducated people sitting around waiting for Zeus to drop fame and fortune in their laps, like some cultures are today! Not Zeus, of course!

If you want sources, just say so! I can post them!
 
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Thank You. (Oral Tradition) by word of mouth; spoken rather than written.
What's your point, snowflake?
 

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The OP:




 

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If Jesus Intended for Christianity to be Exclusively a “Religion of the Book,” Why did He wait 1400 years before showing somebody how to build a printing press?
I do not think that Christianity is a religion of the book. Christianity is a religion of Jesus Christ. Bible is a great help, but some protestants made it their idol and goal. It is not.

On the other hand, do not look at the history by the western European glasses. The western Europe was in a big mess during the middle ages and after the fall of the western roman empire. (407 AD)

Eastern Christianity and Eastern roman empire lasted to 1500 or something like that. 1000 years longer. And the civilization and Bible manuscripts were common there. In fact, most of the New Testament manuscripts we have today are from the byzantine family.

So the situation was desperate in the Western Europe, but the Eastern Europe was flourishing. The same with Christianity and the knowledge of the Bible.
 
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I do not think that Christianity is a religion of the book. Christianity is a religion of Jesus Christ. Bible is a great help, but some protestants made it their idol and goal. It is not.
True! Muslims worship their Quran, Mormons worship their book of Mormon, Christians worship Jesus Christ.
 

John146

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I do not think that Christianity is a religion of the book. Christianity is a religion of Jesus Christ. Bible is a great help, but some protestants made it their idol and goal. It is not.

On the other hand, do not look at the history by the western European glasses. The western Europe was in a big mess during the middle ages and after the fall of the western roman empire. (407 AD)

Eastern Christianity and Eastern roman empire lasted to 1500 or something like that. 1000 years longer. And the civilization and Bible manuscripts were common there. In fact, most of the New Testament manuscripts we have today are from the byzantine family.

So the situation was desperate in the Western Europe, but the Eastern Europe was flourishing. The same with Christianity and the knowledge of the Bible.
The two cannot be separated. You cannot have righteousness in your life without the Bible to appeal to. I cannot be right about homosexuality without the Bible to appeal to. I cannot be right on how to love my wife and raise my children without the Bible to appeal to. If I want to live my life according to the Lord Jesus Christ, I need His inspired written word to appeal to.
 

trofimus

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The two cannot be separated. You cannot have righteousness in your life without the Bible to appeal to. I cannot be right about homosexuality without the Bible to appeal to. I cannot be right on how to love my wife and raise my children without the Bible to appeal to. If I want to live my life according to the Lord Jesus Christ, I need His inspired written word to appeal to.
Actually, such basic things you mentioned were in Church for all times, without having the Bible. You do not need the Bible for moral issues or for love. The teaching of the church, the Holy Spirit and our own moral compass will give you such basics.

You do not need years of studying the KJV to know that you should love people etc.
 

John146

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Actually, such basic things you mentioned were in Church for all times, without having the Bible. You do not need the Bible for moral issues or for love. The teaching of the church, the Holy Spirit and our own moral compass will give you such basics.

You do not need years of studying the KJV to know that you should love people etc.
Without the Bible to appeal to, it becomes my word vs. your word, my opinion vs. your opinion. How would we know anything about the doctrine of divorce without the Bible to appeal to? Qualifications for pastors? Deacons? For examples...
 

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did He wait 1400 years before showing somebody how to build a printing press?
Abraham would not have benefited by a printing press, besides it was too heavy to carry around. But his people met regularly at the feasts and memorised the word as known to them. It was carried in their hearts, a much better way of learning.

Israelites, and then the Jews, were taught to read the word and those who did not learned it by heart at the feasts. The father had to pass it on to his children daily. It was a living word. Printing presses would have made it an intellectual attainment and destroyed its immediacy.