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P4T, I've been thinking about those 4 phrases (now that I know what they mean 
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If your faith saved you, how is it possible that it came from you?
We look at it as pride to say it came from you, by your own choice.
They see it as prideful to say it didn't come from you, from your own choice.
)If your faith saved you, how is it possible that it came from you?
We look at it as pride to say it came from you, by your own choice.
They see it as prideful to say it didn't come from you, from your own choice.
My three "solas" show the absurdity of thinking we get any of the glory, all of the glory, and/or that God only gets some of the glory.
Of course Soli Deo Gloria is the true sola, as all glory goes to Him and Him alone.
For some to say that since we teach, and believe, that God chose us, that it is prideful to believe this is frankly absurd. That truth is humbling and bewildering since it is coupled with the knowledge of our own wickedness and sin.
Yes, but did you disagree as you do now, respectfully, or did you do it as you used to do in the past, which was brutal and made us all fear speaking with you?
Because if he is holding a grudge for the way you spoke to him in the past, that is very dangerous for him, and you should do all you can to make amends so that he won't go on in the harm of unforgiveness. God has blessed you and given you control of your tongue. A lot of prayers of thanks have gone up for how He has blessed you because all have seen your improvement and blessing in this. Use that blessing well. Try to make peace. Then, if he insists on not forgiving, you will have done all that is required to make peace and the ball is in his court.
I marvel all the time over how I used to fear speaking with you and now I love to speak with you. I go searching for your posts now.
Because if he is holding a grudge for the way you spoke to him in the past, that is very dangerous for him, and you should do all you can to make amends so that he won't go on in the harm of unforgiveness. God has blessed you and given you control of your tongue. A lot of prayers of thanks have gone up for how He has blessed you because all have seen your improvement and blessing in this. Use that blessing well. Try to make peace. Then, if he insists on not forgiving, you will have done all that is required to make peace and the ball is in his court.
I marvel all the time over how I used to fear speaking with you and now I love to speak with you. I go searching for your posts now.
I enjoy picking on soft-spoken, tender-hearted women. If Lynn was more outspoken, obnoxious and hateful and if she judged me as not being Christian, then I'd leave her alone. But like I said, I prey on the weak ones. **shaking head**
Does a farmer go round a field at harvest time and say, oh poor carrot, you are rotten, useless
and moldy, I will take you in. No it gets thrown on the scrap heap.
Now God is the one declaring before the beginning of time he predestined the elect.
The point has always been He is the one who chooses, He is the one who judges.
Strangely you want everything to be of God, God does everything in salvation and
man does nothing. Now you are saying man chooses and God presents everything
so man will be justly condemned for not choosing Christ.
Now I was told by you guys I was heretical suggesting man partakes in salvation by
responding to God and His gift of Christ, and without this response salvation is not
possible. You said this was wrong, and mocked me.
Now you appear to be saying it is the sinners choice to follow Christ or not, without
God quickening. So people are involved in salvation, yet you denied this not that
long ago. Seems to me I am more consistent in my beliefs than you guys are.
and moldy, I will take you in. No it gets thrown on the scrap heap.
Now God is the one declaring before the beginning of time he predestined the elect.
The point has always been He is the one who chooses, He is the one who judges.
Strangely you want everything to be of God, God does everything in salvation and
man does nothing. Now you are saying man chooses and God presents everything
so man will be justly condemned for not choosing Christ.
Now I was told by you guys I was heretical suggesting man partakes in salvation by
responding to God and His gift of Christ, and without this response salvation is not
possible. You said this was wrong, and mocked me.
Now you appear to be saying it is the sinners choice to follow Christ or not, without
God quickening. So people are involved in salvation, yet you denied this not that
long ago. Seems to me I am more consistent in my beliefs than you guys are.
You cut her to pieces, very meanly, in two posts, Utah.
And you were the one who judged her by saying you have more faith in your little toe than she has in her entire body. So it sounds like you were the one calling her unchristian rather than the other way around.
You have brought some resentment from elsewhere because she has not treated you badly in here.
You should resolve it so as not to harm yourself but that's a decision you will have to make.
And you were the one who judged her by saying you have more faith in your little toe than she has in her entire body. So it sounds like you were the one calling her unchristian rather than the other way around.
You have brought some resentment from elsewhere because she has not treated you badly in here.
You should resolve it so as not to harm yourself but that's a decision you will have to make.
B
Then we should change it to saved by grace through my own choice, and that choice of myself so I can boast that I am going to heaven because of my wise choice and others are going to hell because of their unwise choice.
Amen Brother, until one understands the weight of their sin they will never understand why God has to save them by His grace, because we do no good, this good isn't walking an old lady across the street, it's good as in how Jesus responded to the rich young ruler. "Why do you call me good, there's One that is Good" that's the kind of good that is being talked about, not the I gave 5 bucks to a homeless person type of good, because that good is toward man not towards God.
When I see someone post what do you mean no one does good, people do good all the time. That's by mans standard not God's.
When I see someone post what do you mean no one does good, people do good all the time. That's by mans standard not God's.
Then we should change it to saved by grace through my own choice, and that choice of myself so I can boast that I am going to heaven because of my wise choice and others are going to hell because of their unwise choice.
But if that's how you wanna play it I guess we should say...I know I'm going to heaven because I'm special and God chose me...He only chooses the best in the bunch so I must be one of the best...He couldn't live without me and that's why I am elected and other aren't. They just ain't worth it, but I am
If you're not familiar with her overall harsh tone since day one then I don't know what to say to you. Blind leading the blind comes to mind, though I know your heart is in the right place. Anyway, her psychosis is not the focus of this thread. If you want to indulge more on everyone's personality traits then start a new thread. I'll be happy to partake.
Well, of course faith is the gift of God, so all the glory goes to Him for all these things.
My three "solas" show the absurdity of thinking we get any of the glory, all of the glory, and/or that God only gets some of the glory.
Of course Soli Deo Gloria is the true sola, as all glory goes to Him and Him alone.
For some to say that since we teach, and believe, that God chose us, that it is prideful to believe this is frankly absurd. That truth is humbling and bewildering since it is coupled with the knowledge of our own wickedness and sin.
My three "solas" show the absurdity of thinking we get any of the glory, all of the glory, and/or that God only gets some of the glory.
Of course Soli Deo Gloria is the true sola, as all glory goes to Him and Him alone.
For some to say that since we teach, and believe, that God chose us, that it is prideful to believe this is frankly absurd. That truth is humbling and bewildering since it is coupled with the knowledge of our own wickedness and sin.
I know you aren't that clueless are you? SMH
But if that's how you wanna play it I guess we should say...I know I'm going to heaven because I'm special and God chose me...He only chooses the best in the bunch so I must be one of the best...He couldn't live without me and that's why I am elected and other aren't. They just ain't worth it, but I am
But if that's how you wanna play it I guess we should say...I know I'm going to heaven because I'm special and God chose me...He only chooses the best in the bunch so I must be one of the best...He couldn't live without me and that's why I am elected and other aren't. They just ain't worth it, but I am
is, in his thinking, his logic, his conclusions, his morality, his love, his ideas for joy
and dislike of sadness, then you choosing God is really possible.
When you know everything we are and do and think is distorted and in rebellion,
then you begin to see how impossible it is for anyone to grasp who Jesus is without
His touch. And this is all we testify to, not that we understand or the why, but
that our Lord is glorious and we praise Him.
The fact you do not know this, is just your reality, I just testify there is more than
you can imagine involved. God bless you.
I'm not indulging on personality traits. I am concerned about what you're resentment and anger is doing to you. And I used to be terrified to speak with her, but she has grown in love and humility and respect. You are not seeing that growth because your grudge is blinding you to it. You should forgive her. 70x7. For the sake of YOUR growth. I'm not indulging. I'm caring for you.
I know you aren't that clueless are you? SMH
But if that's how you wanna play it I guess we should say...I know I'm going to heaven because I'm special and God chose me...He only chooses the best in the bunch so I must be one of the best...He couldn't live without me and that's why I am elected and other aren't. They just ain't worth it, but I am
But if that's how you wanna play it I guess we should say...I know I'm going to heaven because I'm special and God chose me...He only chooses the best in the bunch so I must be one of the best...He couldn't live without me and that's why I am elected and other aren't. They just ain't worth it, but I am
But what I said we should change it too IS based on what you have said. You've been saved by grace through your choice.
Even though it says that faith was not of yourself.
I know this is difficult stuff to struggle with together. I appreciate your honest speech and that you don't get angry.
If we are creating and maintaining or own self-righteousness then the mindset that says " what a rotten sack of nothing throw him out with the garbage." - then makes perfect sense to them because they are busy with their own righteousness being establishing. It is not the gospel of the grace of God in Christ.
He says He will show mercy to who He will show mercy to.
And He says, Jacob I loved but Esau I hated.
And He says if He makes one vessel for honor and one for dishonor, the vessel should not question why.
It's a hard thing to accept that some will not be saved. It's hard to wonder why He saved me but others will perish. But I cannot blame them as if all I have hasn't come from God just to try to deal with the sorrow.
And He says, Jacob I loved but Esau I hated.
And He says if He makes one vessel for honor and one for dishonor, the vessel should not question why.
It's a hard thing to accept that some will not be saved. It's hard to wonder why He saved me but others will perish. But I cannot blame them as if all I have hasn't come from God just to try to deal with the sorrow.
Well, of course faith is the gift of God, so all the glory goes to Him for all these things.
My three "solas" show the absurdity of thinking we get any of the glory, all of the glory, and/or that God only gets some of the glory.
Of course Soli Deo Gloria is the true sola, as all glory goes to Him and Him alone.
For some to say that since we teach, and believe, that God chose us, that it is prideful to believe this is frankly absurd. That truth is humbling and bewildering since it is coupled with the knowledge of our own wickedness and sin.
My three "solas" show the absurdity of thinking we get any of the glory, all of the glory, and/or that God only gets some of the glory.
Of course Soli Deo Gloria is the true sola, as all glory goes to Him and Him alone.
For some to say that since we teach, and believe, that God chose us, that it is prideful to believe this is frankly absurd. That truth is humbling and bewildering since it is coupled with the knowledge of our own wickedness and sin.
If the faith was our own, simply that we choose to believe, why did the man say, Lord, I DO believe, please help my Unbelief!