Not By Works

[Ariel82]

"This is different to after commiting sin, repenting, confessing and accepting
Christs forgiveness for these actions after they have passed."

What is vexing is the "this is different" straw man you make and beat up constantly.

Everyone i have talked to state that They sin, repent and accept Jesus forgiveness.

WHO are you accusing?

You mix up folks and their beliefs too much peterjens and that is vexing.

I don't try and teach you anything because everyone can see that you are so much wiser than anyone else.

Too bad your wisdom is earthly and not from God.

I admit to meeting some folks who teach sinless perfection, but most on this thread are against such false teachings.

Just because YOU don't understand the conversation, doesn't mean your false accusations are correct.

 

[dcontroversal]

My "high horse" is the finished work of Christ and the salvation He secured when I believed, Ephesians 1. If anyone ohas a high horse of another, it is you. You talk of yourself constantly, and of how loving, sinless, and righteous you are. That in itself is enough of a red flag to tell at least me you're a false teacher. You just do not understand the Gospel.

I've listened to enough of your drivel and heresy. One has to have some sort of problem to go on as you do 24/7/365 talking about "loosing" salvation and telling others to not trust in the finished work of Christ and telling others they're lost. And you've employed another moniker to help you in mj007. Please get some help, and I mean that.

Like I said.....I only have ever put ONE on ignore.......and there is a valid reason as to why.........

 

[dcontroversal]

Seems to me, people like to accuse, but show no proof, then deflect and flub around when asked to provide proof. JMO

Without a qualifying word this assumes ALL people.....some, many, all, most, a few....??

 

[BillG]

Peterjens, spiritual discernment non'existent
Libel, very high almost on any terms.
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Okay that's about as much acting like you i can stomach..


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"Jesus said this about the teachers of the law"
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Wait don't you teach that folks need to follow the law to keep their salvation?

Take a break from insulting and attacking me for a bit and talk about the Gospel and how God saves His people.

It goes beyond that, it's not just saving people because he loves them so much.
He loves them so much he died for them, to restore relationship with them

Out of this everything else flows. The love of Jesus in us to love others

 

[blue_ladybug]

Many on this site..

Without a qualifying word this assumes ALL people.....some, many, all, most, a few....??

 

[PeterJens]

PJ,

If you want to engage "For you I will slow it down" is not the way to start a dialogue.
Just by those very opening words you come accross as if Ariel82 is thick which I hope you don't think or wish to convey, because you talk an awful lot about walking in love (which is correct by the way)

Can you quote any post that our precious sister in Christ has made that she states she does not have do to anything about her sin when she does sin and therefore not feel guilty about it?

If you can then you prove your point, if you can't then your point is not valid.

Hi Bill,

Good evening. Bit late for us night birds.
Anyway, Ariel knows what I believe, so why do I need to repeat the obvious.

She is probably saying it could be read the wrong way or something like that.
The real spiritual problem is people do not care that much.

I generally give people long enough to know where I am coming from.
And if people want to play games beyond that, goodbye.

Why? Because that is not communication, it is just manipulation and anger for
whatever reason. Though people want to read a lot into what I do, I just play
a simple game. I state what I believe, challenge others and leave it alone.

Now my point was restricted to saying Ariel is asking me about stuff she knows.
But if she wants to play differently, fine, but it stops for me. Simple.

 

[Ihsomiet]

Actually take a closer look at John and what he says about obedience. You'd be surprised.

 

[blue_ladybug]

True.. (ten characters)

It goes beyond that, it's not just saving people because he loves them so much.
He loves them so much he died for them, to restore relationship with them

Out of this everything else flows. The love of Jesus in us to love others

 

[Ariel82]

I wager a chocolate cake that it doesn't stop.

 

[Ihsomiet]

I think what he is trying to say is that the emotion of guilt is suppressed. Often emotionally repressed people, and there are a lot of them, speak in a certain way. Maybe what they mean to say is humble to them, but it comes across overbearing and cold - loveless.

PeterJens has a lot of love in what he says. And yes he might make mistakes in what he says, don't all of us. Emotionally repressed people often look for mistakes in others, because they can make a scapegoat for their own mistakes which often they try to put across as non-existant. It's just suppression of emotion, and it often carries an angry or aggressive undertone, that they do not see, but will try and find someone to accuse of it.

I believe in Tripartite salvation. Which means that salvation occurs in three parts. We accept Him into our lives, we sanctify ourselves in obedience to Him, He finishes it when He returns for us.

 

[limey410]

p4t - please get off you high horse and listen a little.

The law is only a burden if you break it. If in Christ you fulfill the law because love
transforms you through the cross, it is the key to knowing the cross and its freedom.

But anyone to do this, they have to get serious about being lost and the need for Christ
love and the cross. It feels like the most barren place one can go, because in a real way
we have to die and be resurrected in Christ.

What I can testify to, is if you do not know what I am talking about, you need this.
For Peter it was denying Jesus 3 times. All his enthusiasm was his and not the Lords,
it had to go. The other reality is this process is not a one time event but many, many
events that add up to a new creation.

It strikes me with you automatic fire, you do not know this reality in your own life
but have all these boxes you put everyone in to make it all safe for you.

God bless you.

[FONT=ArialMT, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif]"For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, because the law brings[/FONT]
[FONT=ArialMT, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif] about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression. [/FONT]
[FONT=ArialMT, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif]For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, [/FONT]
[FONT=ArialMT, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif]but through the righteousness of faith."Romans 4:13-15[/FONT]

[FONT=ArialMT, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif]Its all over Romans, but Paul is clear about how living under the law is a display of unbelief of what God accomplished
when He established the New Covenant.

It so clear, that he is saying that if you submit yourself to the law you are voiding the promise of your faith.

He even brings up how Abraham was made righteous through faith, not by His works, or the Law, but that he believed
God.

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[blue_ladybug]

You are a bald butted liar if you say you NEVER sin...

 

[Ariel82]

Uh I limey, g
Fighting words....aka, words often misunderstood that will cause a fight...

 

[Chris1975]

"For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, because the law brings
about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law,
but through the righteousness of faith."Romans 4:13-15

Its all over Romans, but Paul is clear about how living under the law is a display of unbelief of what God accomplished
when He established the New Covenant.

It so clear, that he is saying that if you submit yourself to the law you are voiding the promise of your faith.

He even brings up how Abraham was made righteous through faith, not by His works, or the Law, but that he believed
God.

Romans 3v31 [SUP]31 [/SUP]Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

 

[PeterJens]

My "high horse" is the finished work of Christ and the salvation He secured when I believed, Ephesians 1. If anyone ohas a high horse of another, it is you. You talk of yourself constantly, and of how loving, sinless, and righteous you are. That in itself is enough of a red flag to tell at least me you're a false teacher. You just do not understand the Gospel.

I've listened to enough of your drivel and heresy. One has to have some sort of problem to go on as you do 24/7/365 talking about "loosing" salvation and telling others to not trust in the finished work of Christ and telling others they're lost. And you've employed another moniker to help you in mj007. Please get some help, and I mean that.

p4t - fine, I get your position. Nothing I can use though.
You regard me as satan. It is good to know.

And no I am not mj007. On the situation about help, the
fact you cannot replay what I share or even come close to the
truth, means you are so shrouded by your own beliefs, there is
little point me saying more. God bless you.

 

[Magenta]

I wager a chocolate cake that it doesn't stop.

. .

 

[Ariel82]

False teachers are Satan's cockroaches...not Satan himself.

Not that I am accusing anyone of being Satan.

False accuser of Brethren, yes.

False teacher...hard to see past the libel.

 

[Ihsomiet]

[FONT=ArialMT, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif]"For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, because the law brings[/FONT]
[FONT=ArialMT, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif] about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression. [/FONT]
[FONT=ArialMT, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif]For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, [/FONT]
[FONT=ArialMT, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif]but through the righteousness of faith."Romans 4:13-15[/FONT]

[FONT=ArialMT, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Liberation Sans, FreeSans, sans-serif]Its all over Romans, but Paul is clear about how living under the law is a display of unbelief of what God accomplished
when He established the New Covenant.

It so clear, that he is saying that if you submit yourself to the law you are voiding the promise of your faith.

He even brings up how Abraham was made righteous through faith, not by His works, or the Law, but that he believed
God.

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Consider the juxtaposition of Romans 7, Psalm 119, and 1 Cor. 3

 

[limey410]

Romans 3v31 [SUP]31 [/SUP]Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

So either Paul is contradicting himself, or you are misunderstanding what Paul is saying. So please explain Paul's apparent contradiction to the other verses.
NVM, I'll answer it for you. Paul is speaking of faith as the new law being established. Not a continuation of the Law of sin and death. You can't possibly come to a conclusion that after everything he says about the law in Romans, that the verse you are using means "oh never mind"

 

[PeterJens]

"For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, because the law brings
about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law,
but through the righteousness of faith."Romans 4:13-15

Its all over Romans, but Paul is clear about how living under the law is a display of unbelief of what God accomplished
when He established the New Covenant.

It so clear, that he is saying that if you submit yourself to the law you are voiding the promise of your faith.

He even brings up how Abraham was made righteous through faith, not by His works, or the Law, but that he believed
God.

There is a dilemma. Grace is love at work in the heart of the believer.
This love makes them a slave to righteousness and so fulfill the law of Christ.

So if you wish to justify yourself under the law you fail, but by walking in forgiveness
and faith in the cross and knowing love working in your heart you become obedient.

It is why the relationship is true righteousness, and obedience is the fruit of that faith.
Now the ironic thing is those who regard me as their enemy, say the same thing is what
they believe, but clearly not, as they regard me as sending people to hell.

So under all the words, an open heart or closed heart makes all the difference.
If love is at work, you know Christ, if not, you have some spiritual realities still to go.

My calvanistic side says only the elect respond, my aremenian side says if they hear
they have an opportunity to respond and choose. I go with both, because I am not
God or know which works, but both are true to a degree.