What A Sovereign God Cannot Do....

[notmyown]

You melted my heart, while I understand that there will be differences in the body of Christ you may not understand what it is have others say that Jesus is only for a chosen few. It cheapens His sacrifice, like it wasn't enough for everyone.

That is the tragedy.

well, i should have seen it, and i apologize i didn't. i didn't say anything earlier because i was perplexed.
i know you're a kind woman, and so your apparent hostility seemed at odds with that.

now i think i understand it's your love and kindness that cause you to be hurt, and for my part in it, i'm sorry.

i think we can agree only some are saved, where we disagree is who does the choosing--man or God.
Christ's sacrifice is sufficient for all, i agree, and we probably agree it's only applied to those who believe?

it's an argument that's been ongoing for millennia. i don't expect it to be once and for all resolved here at CC.
i believe in God's sovereign election and i believe you're my sister in Christ.

oh, btw, when i share the Gospel, i don't frame it like, well if you're chosen you can be saved. lol
we plead with people to repent and place their trust in Jesus. God does all the saving.
He saves everyone who puts their trust fully in Jesus, whether they believe in election or not.
that's how He saved me...i was at a door that said knock, seek, and find, and on the other side of the door it said chosen from the foundation of the world.

God changes our hearts, our wanter. He loves us before we can love Him. He is First Cause in all things.
that's how i see the Scriptures. i didn't always. i still love you, you still love me, because God first loved us.

grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I believe that there are others that get grafted into Israel. It has been made quite clear in the bible that Israel is God's chosen people.

I agree that Israel is God's chosen ppl. However, Paul clearly and concisely stated that the true Jews are those who have been circumcised in their hearts by His Spirit. That includes all believers, both Jews and Gentiles. There is one Vine. Jesus is this Vine. The Jews are the natural olive shoot. By their unbelief, they were lopped off, and we, the Gentiles, are grafted in, being the wild olive shoot. Now, God is able to graft the Jews in by their belief in the Christ.

Jesus expressed this in John 14. He said in John 10 He had other sheep not of this sheep pen He must gather them in. There will be one Shepherd and one sheep pen. Israel and the church, ekklesia, are the body of the Christ, as they both have been called out from the world by God.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Imagine mocking God's Sovereign election....

I don't have to imagine this. I see it on full display.

 

[kaylagrl]

Your hyper-dispensationialism is blinding you. I did not say the church replaced anyone. The believing Jews and Gentiles are one in Christ. The church is another name for the body of Christ, which has both Jews and Gentiles. Both believing Jews and Gentiles are grafted into Christ. We are the wild olive shoot and the Jews the natural olive shoot that are both in Christ.

Remember, the Christ died for the church, not the nation of Israel.

Quote "Remember, the Christ died for the church, not the nation of Israel."


No,Christ died for ALL,Jew and Gentile. The nation of Israel He keeps.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Quote "Remember, the Christ died for the church, not the nation of Israel."


No,Christ died for ALL,Jew and Gentile. The nation of Israel He keeps.

He divorced Israel. He gave her her divorce papers.

 

[kaylagrl]

You were the one who accused me of replacement theology, of which I did not state. The Christ is the Head of one body, the church. He does not have two bodies, but one.

There are dealings with the Jews that God still has that has nothing to do with the church. The remnant has yet to come in and God is restoring the land of Israel and giving it back to the Jews as He said He would do. Romans 9,10,11 is mainly to the Jews and the promises God has given them.

 

[preacher4truth]

For the record no one on here said Jesus is only for the chosen few. Those words are untrue, derogatory in nature and designed to malign others with false accusations.

There should be no lying about what others have allegedly said, and people do this when they speak in disdain of others and of God's electing grace.

I've never witnessed so much lying by professing believers in all my life.

Now, for the record: All the saved are elect, there are none other, that is a Biblical fact.

But Scripture also says Abraham's seed will be like the sands on the seashore in multitude. To say we suggest "a few chosen" is asinine and untrue. I wouldn't suggest those who make these fabrications are being loving and kind because frankly that's not accurate. In fact it is sowing discord and dissension in the body. Call it like it is. Thanks.

 

[kaylagrl]

Here is a good question for pelagius' people.

If you believe that it is you who is actually convincing people and it is actually people who decide their eternity, why are you here and why are you not standing on the streets days and nights trying to pursue people not to end in hell?

Go out and start saving them!!!

Or are you so called lazy pelagius? Theoretically its on us, practically... eeh, let us leave it to God?

I spent 20yrs doing so,traveling to any place that would listen to the Gospel message. Because of health issues I could not continue,I figure the Lord can someone in my place.

 

[kaylagrl]

False accusations are the norm for kg.

Preacher doesn't know KG. Had preacher been here as long as the others he'd know that KG doesn't lie,make false accusations and try to tear other people down. If preacher sticks around he'll see this for himself.

 

[kaylagrl]

Replacement theology teaches the church replaced Israel, and I have not even alluded to it, let alone, aver it. Ppl have a false idea of what the church really is. The church is not the building at the corner of Elm and Maple streets. The church is the body of the Christ, He being her Head. The Greek word translated church in english is 'ekklesia', which means 'called out ones'. Both Jews and Gentiles are 'called out from the world' into the 'ekklesia', the body of the Christ. It was this body of believers the Christ died for per Ephesians 5:25, and not the nation of Israel. Jews are being saved NOW, and will be being saved until His coming again.

Jesus told the Jews “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit."[Matthew 21:43] The church never replaced Israel, God cut them off because of their unbelief and Gentiles were grafted in. Notice, it was believing Gentiles, and not the church, that was grafted in. The church, the 'ekklesia', is the body of the Christ, not the nation of Israel. That's the thrust of Paul's argument in Romans 11.

The chosen are still the chosen,the body,the church,whichever has not taken over from the chosen.The chosen have been blinded until the Gentiles have all come in,then God will turn back to the Jew and keep His promises.

 

[SovereignGrace]

There are dealings with the Jews that God still has to hat has nothing to do with the church. The remnant has yet to come in and God is restoring the land of Israel and giving it back to the Jews as He said He would do. Romans 9,10,11 is mainly to the Jews and the promises God has given them.

No. Romans 9, 10, 11 is to believers and not just Jews. This is the same thought of some who said the Law was solely for the Jews. That's errorenous teaching.

Now, I agree that there is a time when God turns to the Jews. However, they are being saved in this day and time, right now. My eschatology is not firmly settled, so I won't debate it. But the Jews and Gentiles are one in Christ.

 

[SovereignGrace]

The chosen are still the chosen,the body,the church,whichever has not taken over from the chosen.The chosen have been blinded until the Gentiles have all come in,then God will turn back to the Jew and keep His promises.

And Jews are being saved now. Looks like the blinders are coming off, or rather, have come off on those who believe.

 

[kaylagrl]

Sad, but true.

No,it is not true.But it seems to make you and preacher feel good and justified in saying it. So who am I to try and stop you.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Preacher doesn't know KG. Had preacher been here as long as the others he'd know that KG doesn't lie,make false accusations and try to tear other people down. If preacher sticks around he'll see this for himself.

You accused me, falsely, of Replacement Theology. You made a false accusation there, Sissy.

 

[preacher4truth]

Preacher doesn't know KG. Had preacher been here as long as the others he'd know that KG doesn't lie,make false accusations and try to tear other people down. If preacher sticks around he'll see this for himself.

Oh, I know you well enough, believe me, and you're doing some tearing down, that's been shown.

What you say about yourself is untrue untrue. You've claimed I don't believe in free grace, which is unsubstantiated and false.Right? Yes, It's false. I addressed that.

You also made claims SovereignGrace never stated.

More untruths from KG.

To be honest, I really don't want to know you in the state you're in now which is why I have had you on ignore for quite a while. We're to avoid people that behave this way biblically. Once in awhile I'll see you've been quoted and will address the untruths you offer. I peaked at this post - good thing because I'm setting the record straight; You've made some false accusations, and they're not Christian nor are they appreciated.

 

[kaylagrl]

The true Israel of the bible is the body of the Christ. The 'ekklesia'.

No! It is not.That is why you are saying Im accusing you falsely. The true Israel is Israel,the Jew,not the body,not the church. That is replacement theology.All the blessings go to the church body and the curses go to the Jews.Thats not right.God is not done with the Jews and He will keep His promise to them.The land belongs to them.

 

[SovereignGrace]

No! It is not.That is why you are saying Im accusing you falsely. The true Israel is Israel,the Jew,not the body,not the church. That is replacement theology.All the blessings go to the church body and the curses go to the Jews.Thats not right.God is not done with the Jews and He will keep His promise to them.The land belongs to them.

I am not talking about the land, but ppl right now. Yes, God promised Abraham the land as an everlasting possession, I am not debating that. We both agree about land possession.

 

[tourist]

No! It is not.That is why you are saying Im accusing you falsely. The true Israel is Israel,the Jew,not the body,not the church. That is replacement theology.All the blessings go to the church body and the curses go to the Jews.Thats not right.God is not done with the Jews and He will keep His promise to them.The land belongs to them.

The land does indeed belong to Israel, and I believe that there is even more land that presently comprises the geographic state. God will still bless those that bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel.

 

[kaylagrl]

He divorced Israel. He gave her her divorce papers.

No,God is not done with Israel,He will restore the land to them and is doing so now. Romans 11 speaks of their being blinded for a time. But the land still belongs to them.They lost use of it because of disobedience but they still hold the deed.That has never changed and God did not revoke His calling.

 

[SovereignGrace]

No! It is not.That is why you are saying Im accusing you falsely. The true Israel is Israel,the Jew,not the body,not the church. That is replacement theology.All the blessings go to the church body and the curses go to the Jews.Thats not right.God is not done with the Jews and He will keep His promise to them.The land belongs to them.

Again, Romans 2:28,29...

A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

Again, true Jews are those who believe, who have been circumcised in their hearts, not their foreskins, by the Spirit.

Abraham means 'father of many nations'. In Romans 4 it says he is the father of all who believe. This shows more than the nation of Israel is in the plan of redemption.

And again, this is not RT. Please quit falsely accusing me of this.