What A Sovereign God Cannot Do....

[Desertsrose]

Arminians do indeed believe in God's Sovereignty. Just not the Calvinistic view of God's Sovereignty. From Arminian Theology blog:

The point of difference between Calvinism and Arminianism is the definition of sovereignty. On the Calvinistic view, sovereignty means meticulous control (i.e., theological determinism),5 while on the Arminian view, God’s sovereignty necessarily means His complete freedom and authority (or right) to act any way He so wills.

On this view, God certainly has the freedom and authority to exercise meticulous control over every minute detail (though the Arminian can’t see how this doesn’t necessitate God’s authorship of sin), but He also has the freedom and authority to not exercise meticulous control. For the Arminian, if God chooses to not exercise meticulous control, that decision is itself a sovereign decision.

As (Arminian) apologist J. P. Holding writes,“SOME Calvinist commentators point to various passages of specific events such as the selling of Joseph into slavery (Gen. 45-50), the crucifixion of Christ (Acts 2:23), and the military actions of the Assyrians (Is. 10).

And they are not wrong to do so. Yet one cannot falsely generalize from these particulars and assume that God chooses to exercise His right of sovereignty in the same way for things like the moving of a finger.

Perhaps He does, but perhaps He does not; perhaps He does at some times, but not at others.Yet to suggest such a thing hardly removes any sovereignty from God, for a simple reason that I have yet to see dealt with by a Calvinist commentator (though I may see it in the future): The decision to do nothing is itself a sovereign decision.” 6

 

[SovereignGrace]

No,God is not done with Israel,He will restore the land to them and is doing so now. Romans 11 speaks of their being blinded for a time. But the land still belongs to them.They lost use of it because of disobedience but they still hold the deed.That has never changed and God did not revoke His calling.

Well, Jeremiah 3:8 says He divorced Israel. I think it means more along the lines of giving them over to the Assyrians.

 

[kaylagrl]

You accused me, falsely, of Replacement Theology. You made a false accusation there, Sissy.

Ok,lets start again. Do you believe God has promises to His chosen people,the Jews,yet to fulfill? If you do not you are believing a form of replacement theology.Im sorry. Im not trying to falsely accuse you. If you believe that God still doesn't
have work to do with the Jews that is what you are believing.You may not know that and so you think Im trying to swipe at you,Im not.

 

[stonesoffire]

She rails against the God who chooses to save ppl in accordance to His good will and pleasure[Ephesians 1:9] and the verse she uses as her username refutes her belief. Lullz.

Just pointing out that you used "accordance to His good will and pleasure" out of context. And preacher "liked" it.

 

[kaylagrl]

Oh, I know you well enough, believe me, and you're doing some tearing down, that's been shown.

What you say about yourself is untrue untrue. You've claimed I don't believe in free grace, which is unsubstantiated and false.Right? Yes, It's false. I addressed that.

You also made claims SovereignGrace never stated.

More untruths from KG.

To be honest, I really don't want to know you in the state you're in now which is why I have had you on ignore for quite a while. We're to avoid people that behave this way biblically. Once in awhile I'll see you've been quoted and will address the untruths you offer. I peaked at this post - good thing because I'm setting the record straight; You've made some false accusations, and they're not Christian nor are they appreciated.

Preacher you are not taking over this thread.I dont care how hard you try,I dont care how hard you manipulate and name call.So you might as well get your grip off it now. I know who I am,I know what I believe and I have sat under years and years of excellent preachers. So you can call me names all day long,you can accuse me of everything you can find,you can twist my words and intent.You dont know me. You can claim whatever junk you want to.You do not know me. You haven't been here long enough to know anyone.And you dont want to know anyone who doesn't agree with you and are saved the way you are. This is a discussion forum,but to you its a place to dog people who disagree with you and choke out threads with your self righteousness. Ive seen you do it to others and they back down. This thing you will know about me,I will not back down from the truth of the word.Not even for someone who calls themselves preacher and believes they're the only one here allowed to speak and have an opinion. So you can try and choke hold me but Im telling you it wont work.So put me back on ignore and go preach your message to those who wish to believe it.I do not and will not be silenced by you or your sidekick.

 

[kaylagrl]

I am not talking about the land, but ppl right now. Yes, God promised Abraham the land as an everlasting possession, I am not debating that. We both agree about land possession.

There!! We agree on something! Even though Im the spawn of satan.

 

[kaylagrl]

The land does indeed belong to Israel, and I believe that there is even more land that presently comprises the geographic state. God will still bless those that bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel.

Amen! I believe it!

 

[tourist]

Preacher you are not taking over this thread.I dont care how hard you try,I dont care how hard you manipulate and name call.So you might as well get your grip off it now. I know who I am,I know what I believe and I have sat under years and years of excellent preachers. So you can call me names all day long,you can accuse me of everything you can find,you can twist my words and intent.You dont know me. You can claim whatever junk you want to.You do not know me. You haven't been here long enough to know anyone.And you dont want to know anyone who doesn't agree with you and are saved the way you are. This is a discussion forum,but to you its a place to dog people who disagree with you and choke out threads with your self righteousness. Ive seen you do it to others and they back down. This thing you will know about me,I will not back down from the truth of the word.Not even for someone who calls themselves preacher and believes they're the only one here allowed to speak and have an opinion. So you can try and choke hold me but Im telling you it wont work.So put me back on ignore and go preach your message to those who wish to believe it.I do not and will not be silenced by you or your sidekick.

His sole purpose seems to be to tear up those who dare to disagree with him.

 

[kaylagrl]

Again, Romans 2:28,29...

A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

Again, true Jews are those who believe, who have been circumcised in their hearts, not their foreskins, by the Spirit.

Abraham means 'father of many nations'. In Romans 4 it says he is the father of all who believe. This shows more than the nation of Israel is in the plan of redemption.

And again, this is not RT. Please quit falsely accusing me of this.

Yes,I believe Jews are saved the same way as everyone else.They will have the blinders taken off after the anti-christ deceives them. Then they will recognize their Messiah. But the nation of Israel still remains and will be restored to the Jewish people. Again,Im not trying to accuse you falsely.

 

[kaylagrl]

Well, Jeremiah 3:8 says He divorced Israel. I think it means more along the lines of giving them over to the Assyrians.

You may well be right. But His calling still stands open to the Jews and He will restore the land to them.

 

[preacher4truth]

Again, Romans 2:28,29...

A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

Again, true Jews are those who believe, who have been circumcised in their hearts, not their foreskins, by the Spirit.

Abraham means 'father of many nations'. In Romans 4 it says he is the father of all who believe. This shows more than the nation of Israel is in the plan of redemption.

And again, this is not RT. Please quit falsely accusing me of this.

To be honest I think many of the false accusations she makes are done in ignorance. Some think they know a system when they do not. Google theologians like that are dangerous, not trying to be funny, I'm being serious.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Ok,lets start again. Do you believe God has promises to His chosen people,the Jews,yet to fulfill? If you do not you are believing a form of replacement theology.Im sorry. Im not trying to falsely accuse you. If you believe that God still doesn't
have work to do with the Jews that is what you are believing.You may not know that and so you think Im trying to swipe at you,Im not.

I am not firmly settled on my eschatology. I was once staunchly amil, but no longer.

I do see Jews coming to faith in Christ, so some fulfillment is taking place now, imo.

But the land possession is their's it seems.

But my bone of contention is dividing the Jews and Gentiles into two separate entities, as both are one in Christ. Both are grafted into the true Vine, Jesus. Jesus is the head of the body of Christ. He has one body and one Head, not two bodies and one Head.

 

[kaylagrl]

His sole purpose seems to be to tear up those who dare to disagree with him.

I know,Ive seen him at work in other threads and dealt with people like this in real life. Ive not yet seen him give a kind word to anyone who disagreed with him. But I will not be cowed when it comes to the truth and Im not going to be silenced or back down. Some people discuss,others attack. He can do what he wishes.His temper tantrums dont bother me. He knows nothing about me,he just thinks if he puts a hook in my jaw with insults that i'll give in as others have done.Hes messing with the wrong one.I will not back down from the truth.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Just pointing out that you used "accordance to His good will and pleasure" out of context. And preacher "liked" it.

So, God doesn't choose in accordance to His good will and pleasure? Then how does He choose?

 

[preacher4truth]

His sole purpose seems to be to tear up those who dare to disagree with him.

This has never happened and isn't remotely true. Please show us all where I've done this out of disagreement with another. What I have done is addressed where I was falsely accused by KG and addressed it. Your accusation is just as false as KG's.

I'll wait for you to substantiate your false statements. Thanks.

Here is what is really happening: it is KG whose sole purpose is to tear down those she disagrees with, and this is what she is doing in this thread.

Accusing me of "taking over the thread?" Seriously? No, it's her diversion tactics - she's falsely accused me and I've addressed that. She's also attacking SG and falsely accusing him as well, because she doesn't agree with him.

It's remarkable that people team up to falsely accuse others as in the above quote but people draw their nutriments from that which supports their character, so go figure.

 

[kaylagrl]

I am not firmly settled on my eschatology. I was once staunchly amil, but no longer.

I do see Jews coming to faith in Christ, so some fulfillment is taking place now, imo.

But the land possession is their's it seems.

But my bone of contention is dividing the Jews and Gentiles into two separate entities, as both are one in Christ. Both are grafted into the true Vine, Jesus. Jesus is the head of the body of Christ. He has one body and one Head, not two bodies and one Head.

There,we talk it out and see that we mainly agree. No need to be enemies. We agree except I believe God has promises He still has not fulfilled from the Ot to the Jews. So there we differ. God still has separate issues with the Jews that have nothing to do with us.

 

[notmyown]

You may well be right. But His calling still stands open to the Jews and He will restore the land to them.

just a thought... why would God give them land when He can give them Jesus?

what's a strip of real estate in the middle east compared to "and so we will always be with Him" ?

the book of Joshua records for us God fulfilled every promise He made to them already.

 

[preacher4truth]

Just pointing out that you used "accordance to His good will and pleasure" out of context. And preacher "liked" it.

Of course I liked it, it's biblical.

 

[kaylagrl]

This has never happened and isn't remotely true. Please show us all where I've done this out of disagreement with another. What I have done is addressed where I was falsely accused by KG and addressed it. Your accusation is just as false as KG's.

I'll wait for you to substantiate your false statements. Thanks.

Here is what is really happening: it is KG whose sole purpose is to tear down those she disagrees with, and this is what she is doing in this thread.

Accusing me of "taking over the thread?" Seriously? No, it's her diversion tactics - she's falsely accused me and I've addressed that. She's also attacking SG and falsely accusing him as well, because she doesn't agree with him.

It's remarkable that people team up to falsely accuse others as in the above quote but people draw their nutriments from that which supports their character, so go figure.

SG is a big boy and doesn't need you to defend him. You're here to stir the pot.I get it,we've had plenty like you come and go.People here know me,how I post and how Ive responded in the past.And they know me better than lying and tearing down people. The CC regulars know me. You,I dont really care what you think of me.While you're picking on me you're giving someone else a break.

 

[kaylagrl]

just a thought... why would God give them land when He can give them Jesus?

what's a strip of real estate in the middle east compared to "and so we will always be with Him" ?

the book of Joshua records for us God fulfilled every promise He made to them already.

They will have both! Their Messiah and the land.