Does Anyone Here Teach The Following?

[SovereignGrace]

I am snipey, so if someone comes back at me snipey, I'm not going to call them on it. (I may go all sarcastic on them, but I'm not going to bother protesting over the snipey attitude. lol)

I hate lying, so I don't lie. So I do, very much, hate someone lying about me, and I call them on it.

Considering you're both snipey and lie, why does it bother you, if others do the same thing to you? I would think it was noble if you were sticking up for Forth, because Forth is neither snipey nor lies, but it really wasn't about Forth. It was all about you showing off your woe-is-me thing again, and playing the martyr. You're no martyr.

Snipey people really don't look good in the persecuted garb. And you've set a terrible example for Reformed Theology and for God's word in general. I wish you'd remember this is about God too.

Whoa Sissy. P4T didn't lie. Where did you see him lie?

 

[stonesoffire]

Ok...this is to all the women then. tee hee

I don't believe in free will Rock...don't read this now.

Free choice yes, but after He gives us a moment to respond to His prompting by Holy Spirit to make that choice. Free will speaks that we can make a choice without any consequences.

Not so. We don't have free will.

Now don't answer Rock...don't read.

 

[Johnny_B]

Word of Faith - draws crowds for sure. Maybe even more than Calvinism.
Dispensationalism - boy howdy.

Actually Johnny, you have the hyper calvinists to thank for the anger towards Calvinism.

Here's how Phil Johnson explains it.

A hyper-Calvinist is someone who either:

1. Denies that the gospel call applies to all who hear,
2. OR Denies that faith is the duty of every sinner,
3. OR Denies that the gospel makes any “offer” of Christ, salvation, or mercy to the non-elect (or denies that the offer of divine mercy is free and universal),
4. OR Denies that there is such a thing as “common grace,”
5. OR Denies that God has any sort of love for the non-elect.

All five varieties of hyper-Calvinism undermine evangelism or twist the gospel message.

It's no wonder that many, when hearing what Calvinism is, ends up hearing the extreme views. The woman who is the subject of the OP probably heard the extreme views of Calvinism. She's not to blame, she's only going by what she knows.

All this arguing caused by the OP would be better served in saying we're not extreme and here's what we believe.

That's the problem, people know what they've heard about Calvinism and they act like they know what Calvinism about when they have no clue, then when you try to explain it they still revert to what they have been told by people that hate Calvinism.

 

[Depleted]

He was sniping because when I answered a post he said it wasn't addressed to me. That is why I said that so you can stop stirring the pot. Someone just answered a post I addressed to Fourth, people do that all the time and its not against CC rules. I didnt say he lied so stop it.

Okay, so we may never be friends again, but I don't want you to take it out on everyone else.

Forth does not think like most people. He has a condition that makes that the truth, but I'm not going to tell what condition that is. (He can, if he wants to. Not like he's been shy about it. Just not my place.) So, don't go thinking he's snipey when he's not, because he can't/won't do snipey. He's been straightforward on what he thinks throughout the entire time he's been on this site. Passionate too, but straightforward.

Don't project.

(I suspect this thread would be much shorter if everyone would stop projecting.)

 

[notuptome]

Yeah, that's the first thing that came to mind when I read your erroneous statement.

So, Jesus could have gone back on all His OT prophecies that He promised to fulfill? Wow, God could actually renege on His promises of Messiah and the fulfillments. That's interesting. I see you have garnered a couple folk and hoodwinked them with your error.

Tell me more about this false god who can make Messianic promises and then renege on them and still be Holy, Righteous and incapable of lying.

Despite your caustic attitude I'm going to endeavor to enlighten you. It is perfectly reasonable to see Jesus as willing in the matter of His sacrifice for sin. To demonstrate this willingness it would be necessary for Jesus to surrender Himself to the purpose to which He was appointed before the creation of the world.

Lu 9:51 And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,

Here is more of an example of the decision on the part of Jesus to do the will of the Father. Just as Jesus submitted Himself to be a sacrifice for us we submit ourselves to Christ to receive eternal salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[SovereignGrace]

Despite your caustic attitude I'm going to endeavor to enlighten you. It is perfectly reasonable to see Jesus as willing in the matter of His sacrifice for sin. To demonstrate this willingness it would be necessary for Jesus to surrender Himself to the purpose to which He was appointed before the creation of the world.

Lu 9:51 And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,

Here is more of an example of the decision on the part of Jesus to do the will of the Father. Just as Jesus submitted Himself to be a sacrifice for us we submit ourselves to Christ to receive eternal salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Jesus had already submitted to it before the creation of the world. For over 2,000 before He came in the flesh, there were prophecies speaking of His coming and His dying. He came to fulfill those prophecies. If He could have bailed, the bible becomes as reliable as Ppl magazine.

 

[Depleted]

And I thought that fourth and forth is the same thing, like colour and color

Fourth -- between third and fifth.
Forth -- When Jesus told Lazarus to rise and "come forth."

 

[kaylagrl]

False accusation = "You are a universalist."

Asking if you are, is not a false accusation. At least get what phrases mean before using them. You don't look good in persecution garb either.

Butt out Lynn,I already told him I wasn't accusing him but saying the accusation had been said in other threads. I told Forth this and SG or Trof. cant remember which I was speaking to. Read back about what I said before you pounce. You're rapping others fingers while doing the same. Chill out!

 

[kaylagrl]

It is offered to all, but only the sheep believe.

​But the sheep were lost before they came to believe.They were sinners.

 

[BeyondET]

Jesus had already submitted to it before the creation of the world. For over 2,000 before He came in the flesh, there were prophecies speaking of His coming and His dying. He came to fulfill those prophecies. If He could have bailed, the bible becomes as reliable as Ppl magazine.

Prophecied?

Danial 3
24Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellers, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. 25He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. 26Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire. 27And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellers, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

 

[SovereignGrace]

​But the sheep were lost before they came to believe.They were sinners.

Zactly!! And???

 

[SovereignGrace]

Prophecied?

Danial 3
24Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellers, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. 25He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. 26Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire. 27And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellers, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

Care to expound on what you're expressing in the above? Thanks in advance.

 

[Depleted]

Ppl can speak ill of the Christ and be forgiven. That's blasphemy, too.

But speak ill of the Spirit and you're goners.

However, those who spoke ill of the Spirit had visually seen those works and called them the works of the devil. None of us saw the Christ raise the dead to life, heal the sick, restore sight to the blind, &c. That's why, imo, ppl can't blaspheme the Spirit in today's economy.

Personally, I think blasphemy is denying God. Not just getting mad at him over something, but genuinely denying him all together. The non-believers are in that state by the very nature of being nonbelievers. But once we become believers, and then go to "There is no God," more importantly, seriously meaning it, (because I've told him more than once I don't want to be led by him anymore, but I just could not get to the point of not believing he is), then that is it. The one sin we can't come back from. More serious for believers, because the only way that happens is when God removes his gifts (grace, love, mercy, faith, etc.) and since we couldn't get that ourselves the first time, we won't get it the second time. There is no coming back from that one.

I've known believers who got to that point. What they become after that is worse than what they were originally.

 

[kaylagrl]

Okay, so we may never be friends again, but I don't want you to take it out on everyone else.

Forth does not think like most people. He has a condition that makes that the truth, but I'm not going to tell what condition that is. (He can, if he wants to. Not like he's been shy about it. Just not my place.) So, don't go thinking he's snipey when he's not, because he can't/won't do snipey. He's been straightforward on what he thinks throughout the entire time he's been on this site. Passionate too, but straightforward.

Don't project.

(I suspect this thread would be much shorter if everyone would stop projecting.)

Quote "Okay, so we may never be friends again, but I don't want you to take it out on everyone else."

No we're not ever going to be friends again. Thats what you said when emailed me,Ive accepted that.


Quote " So, don't go thinking he's snipey when he's not, because he can't/won't do snipey. "


Already been dealt with and I spoke to him directly about it. Read back,you're behind.


Quote " He's been straightforward on what he thinks throughout the entire time he's been on this site. Passionate too, but straightforward."

I have no problem with straightforward as long as those same people can take what they give. And straightforward should not = ignorant. Neither of which Im accusing Forth of. So far I dont have much of an issue with him other than certain beliefs. Personally no issues.

Quote "Don't project."

Dont insert yourself where you dont belong. Has nothing to do with you and the issue has been cleared up.Read back.

 

[kaylagrl]

Zactly!! And???

Wait...Im stuck on sheep that sin. What would a sheep have to do to sin?

 

[stonesoffire]

​But the sheep were lost before they came to believe.They were sinners.

Interesting Kayla but not entirely true. Israel was always sheep. Gentile nations were lost.

 

[stonesoffire]

Wait...Im stuck on sheep that sin. What would a sheep have to do to sin?

Israel was owned/ but when the shepherd appeared...they refused to follow. Sin

 

[kaylagrl]

Interesting Kayla but not entirely true. Israel was always sheep. Gentile nations were lost.

Israel have always been Gods chosen people,but not chosen as far as salvation,they have to come through faith as we all do. And yes the Gentiles were lost and have been grafted in through faith.

 

[stonesoffire]

I have a bit of a personal gripe about the scriptures. We are not sheep. Jesus brought Sonship, not sheepship.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Personally, I think blasphemy is denying God. Not just getting mad at him over something, but genuinely denying him all together. The non-believers are in that state by the very nature of being nonbelievers. But once we become believers, and then go to "There is no God," more importantly, seriously meaning it, (because I've told him more than once I don't want to be led by him anymore, but I just could not get to the point of not believing he is), then that is it. The one sin we can't come back from. More serious for believers, because the only way that happens is when God removes his gifts (grace, love, mercy, faith, etc.) and since we couldn't get that ourselves the first time, we won't get it the second time. There is no coming back from that one.

I've known believers who got to that point. What they become after that is worse than what they were originally.

But the blasphemy Jesus said was unforgiveable was blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Speak against God or the Son, it can be forgiven, but blaspheme the Spirit, you're goners.