my brother became a Mormon and my mom is freaking out
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Angela never said that there were contradictions in the Bible. She said there are are contradictions BETWEEN the Bible and the fake book of Mormon. Meaning that if you compare the Book of Mormon with the Bible, the Book of Mormon contradicts Bible teachings. The don't both say or teach the same things. That's the contradiction.
lol i sometimes just have to shake my head and smile at the opinion theology that runs so rampant in public forums, the twisting of peoples words, isnt it Kind of strange though, that every example He gave, is found in the Bible im gonna just leave what i said for what it is and let people like magenta "explain" my beliefs lol and others can pray that i may somehow understand that i need to expel others from The Son of Gods presence because they dont think or believe the same as i do, (exactly why i do not and will never "belong" to any denomination. )when I have taken the time to actually read the book of mormon, sit, question and debate with several different "Latter day saints" << which is thier actual title.
and remind everyone that if they are interested in the Lds beliefs, there is always Lds.org, where the official church doctrine and articles of Faith are listed freely for anyone to go investigate rather than the opinions of so many. and remind that catholics claim to be the true church, as really many denominations do. I would also defend catholic theology when its being stated incorrectly, or protestant or any doctrine ive taken the time to actually bypass the variance of opinions and stories of what a person has heard a certain denomination believes, and simply read the book of mormon, the didache, the apocrypoha concerning catholics, the koran to understand muslims and so on.
If i have no Knowledge on a subject you wont find my opinion anywhere. I would also remind christians that there is One Judge, the Son of the Living God, His name is Jesus and as John says " Jesus did many things, so many that if there were all the books in the world, there would not be enough to record them. would remind that following joseph princes "revelation" of Grace, is no different that following anyones " revelation" current past or future. My advice is and will always be, learn from the Holy Bible, kjv authorized version is my preference. but we each have our own i suppose.
its strange to me How people never fail to see what someone isnt saying, and then have thier opinions on it
i do thank you for the Love offer though, God bless you.
and remind everyone that if they are interested in the Lds beliefs, there is always Lds.org, where the official church doctrine and articles of Faith are listed freely for anyone to go investigate rather than the opinions of so many. and remind that catholics claim to be the true church, as really many denominations do. I would also defend catholic theology when its being stated incorrectly, or protestant or any doctrine ive taken the time to actually bypass the variance of opinions and stories of what a person has heard a certain denomination believes, and simply read the book of mormon, the didache, the apocrypoha concerning catholics, the koran to understand muslims and so on.
If i have no Knowledge on a subject you wont find my opinion anywhere. I would also remind christians that there is One Judge, the Son of the Living God, His name is Jesus and as John says " Jesus did many things, so many that if there were all the books in the world, there would not be enough to record them. would remind that following joseph princes "revelation" of Grace, is no different that following anyones " revelation" current past or future. My advice is and will always be, learn from the Holy Bible, kjv authorized version is my preference. but we each have our own i suppose.
its strange to me How people never fail to see what someone isnt saying, and then have thier opinions on it
i do thank you for the Love offer though, God bless you.
thats my point bro, there are many catholics many protestants, many latter day saints, many non denominational folks that Belong to Jesus. and He is the only person regardless of mans opinion and judgement, that Gets to decide. There are Many people claiming to be christian that distort the Bible into whats not there, as they do other books like the bom. its really not opposed at all, its what they claim to be like i said earlier, after Jesus was crucified, he appeared in the ancient americas and gave almost word for word accounts to them. whether its true i dont hoinestly Know, what i was actually saying is that if there were no bible on the earth for us to Know of Jesus, the bom would also lead a person to Him. the history is different because what they claim is its an account of ancient america, Like the old testament in the bible is a history of ancient israel.
i can only speak to what is in the bom , its claim as to the history, is that during the first exile of jews into the world in 600 bc ( supported by the Bible) that God sent a family of Jews to ancient south america. then the history part of it begins how they came to north america ect. then later in the book at the time Jesus is crucified in jerusalem, the entire sky all over the world was darkened not only in jerusalem. but all of creation was affected at His death. earthquake, darkness covered the whole earth. and then after the resurrection, they claim when he disappeared from His disciples in Jerusalem, He appeared to those people in the ancient americas. I carefully compared What Jesus said to them, and what He taught in the 4 gospels, and while not as much is there, what they claim He taught is almost word for word the same teachings focusing on Jesus is the Savior, God is His Father, and that the Bible is true and the word of God.
the claim they make of why the bom came forward, is that through translations over time, things were twisted a bit and Lost. this is where i stopped sort of listening to them and i had a divide between my beliefs and thiers. they accept 100 percent the kjv authorized text. theres no disputing that part, they actually Gave me a copy of the kjv , which i already Had one, i took it to see if there was any differences even One word from mine, and there isnt its Just a copy of the Kjv. its Part of thier official doctrine regardless of what others say. its in the article of faith written when the church began and still today they promote the kjv authorized as Gods divine word.
they claim that the bom came forth to clarify things that were lost through time in translation such as things that are mentioned in the bible Like " baptism for the dead" its only mentioned in one verse by paul, but its very clear it was a doctrine at the time He was preaching, He uses it as an argument for the resurrection to come. they have other texts also that they believe in studying, the doctrine and covenants, the pearl of great price. they also read apocryphal texts not as doctrine but as study aides.
again though, i would never convert to lds, because i dont really understand some of the things they believe, and dont really see any need to convert to another church when I have the bible and other believers in whats there. but i wouldnt convert to alot of denominations like catholic, protestant, baptist ect, because i find Life in not having a denomination, its simply a divide and reason for argument really. denominations were never a part of Gods plan fpor the Church, we were taught to stick together and get along, and agree with the Word. so to me its just another denomination with many good folks who belong to Jesus, and some who dont as well.
but again thats true of any denomination of christianity theyre all based on someones revelation or interpretation. they have som teachings i dont know about, temple rituals and things but i dont need to know because ill never become lds. I only chimed in there because so many folks slander other groups so off base and uninformed of things. ive seen it happen often on this site as well as in other public forums.
we really have much to accept when the subject of judgement of others comes up. I dont believe God has a denomination that was made of mans dicsagreement. I believe there are only Jesus and Hois disciples past present and future. scattered through the world those Who hear and follow the gospel , and trust in His mercy and Love, as well as The word of Jesus Christ His only Begotten Son.
i can only speak to what is in the bom , its claim as to the history, is that during the first exile of jews into the world in 600 bc ( supported by the Bible) that God sent a family of Jews to ancient south america. then the history part of it begins how they came to north america ect. then later in the book at the time Jesus is crucified in jerusalem, the entire sky all over the world was darkened not only in jerusalem. but all of creation was affected at His death. earthquake, darkness covered the whole earth. and then after the resurrection, they claim when he disappeared from His disciples in Jerusalem, He appeared to those people in the ancient americas. I carefully compared What Jesus said to them, and what He taught in the 4 gospels, and while not as much is there, what they claim He taught is almost word for word the same teachings focusing on Jesus is the Savior, God is His Father, and that the Bible is true and the word of God.
the claim they make of why the bom came forward, is that through translations over time, things were twisted a bit and Lost. this is where i stopped sort of listening to them and i had a divide between my beliefs and thiers. they accept 100 percent the kjv authorized text. theres no disputing that part, they actually Gave me a copy of the kjv , which i already Had one, i took it to see if there was any differences even One word from mine, and there isnt its Just a copy of the Kjv. its Part of thier official doctrine regardless of what others say. its in the article of faith written when the church began and still today they promote the kjv authorized as Gods divine word.
they claim that the bom came forth to clarify things that were lost through time in translation such as things that are mentioned in the bible Like " baptism for the dead" its only mentioned in one verse by paul, but its very clear it was a doctrine at the time He was preaching, He uses it as an argument for the resurrection to come. they have other texts also that they believe in studying, the doctrine and covenants, the pearl of great price. they also read apocryphal texts not as doctrine but as study aides.
again though, i would never convert to lds, because i dont really understand some of the things they believe, and dont really see any need to convert to another church when I have the bible and other believers in whats there. but i wouldnt convert to alot of denominations like catholic, protestant, baptist ect, because i find Life in not having a denomination, its simply a divide and reason for argument really. denominations were never a part of Gods plan fpor the Church, we were taught to stick together and get along, and agree with the Word. so to me its just another denomination with many good folks who belong to Jesus, and some who dont as well.
but again thats true of any denomination of christianity theyre all based on someones revelation or interpretation. they have som teachings i dont know about, temple rituals and things but i dont need to know because ill never become lds. I only chimed in there because so many folks slander other groups so off base and uninformed of things. ive seen it happen often on this site as well as in other public forums.
we really have much to accept when the subject of judgement of others comes up. I dont believe God has a denomination that was made of mans dicsagreement. I believe there are only Jesus and Hois disciples past present and future. scattered through the world those Who hear and follow the gospel , and trust in His mercy and Love, as well as The word of Jesus Christ His only Begotten Son.
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lol i sometimes just have to shake my head and smile at the opinion theology that runs so rampant in public forums, the twisting of peoples words, isnt it Kind of strange though, that every example He gave, is found in the Bible im gonna just leave what i said for what it is and let people like magenta "explain" my beliefs lol and others can pray that i may somehow understand that i need to expel others from The Son of Gods presence because they dont think or believe the same as i do, (exactly why i do not and will never "belong" to any denomination. )when I have taken the time to actually read the book of mormon, sit, question and debate with several different "Latter day saints" << which is thier actual title.
and remind everyone that if they are interested in the Lds beliefs, there is always Lds.org, where the official church doctrine and articles of Faith are listed freely for anyone to go investigate rather than the opinions of so many. and remind that catholics claim to be the true church, as really many denominations do. I would also defend catholic theology when its being stated incorrectly, or protestant or any doctrine ive taken the time to actually bypass the variance of opinions and stories of what a person has heard a certain denomination believes, and simply read the book of mormon, the didache, the apocrypoha concerning catholics, the koran to understand muslims and so on.
If i have no Knowledge on a subject you wont find my opinion anywhere. I would also remind christians that there is One Judge, the Son of the Living God, His name is Jesus and as John says " Jesus did many things, so many that if there were all the books in the world, there would not be enough to record them. would remind that following joseph princes "revelation" of Grace, is no different that following anyones " revelation" current past or future. My advice is and will always be, learn from the Holy Bible, kjv authorized version is my preference. but we each have our own i suppose.
its strange to me How people never fail to see what someone isnt saying, and then have thier opinions on it
i do thank you for the Love offer though, God bless you.
and remind everyone that if they are interested in the Lds beliefs, there is always Lds.org, where the official church doctrine and articles of Faith are listed freely for anyone to go investigate rather than the opinions of so many. and remind that catholics claim to be the true church, as really many denominations do. I would also defend catholic theology when its being stated incorrectly, or protestant or any doctrine ive taken the time to actually bypass the variance of opinions and stories of what a person has heard a certain denomination believes, and simply read the book of mormon, the didache, the apocrypoha concerning catholics, the koran to understand muslims and so on.
If i have no Knowledge on a subject you wont find my opinion anywhere. I would also remind christians that there is One Judge, the Son of the Living God, His name is Jesus and as John says " Jesus did many things, so many that if there were all the books in the world, there would not be enough to record them. would remind that following joseph princes "revelation" of Grace, is no different that following anyones " revelation" current past or future. My advice is and will always be, learn from the Holy Bible, kjv authorized version is my preference. but we each have our own i suppose.
its strange to me How people never fail to see what someone isnt saying, and then have thier opinions on it
i do thank you for the Love offer though, God bless you.
Despite your shaking your head at 'opinion theology' you are no different. So shaking your head at others for the very thing you're doing does not reflect well on you. You even said yourself 'if i have no knowledge on a subject you won't find my opinion anywhere' while criticizing others having opinions. Discredting yourself the more you type.
lol im good with you perceiving that, no worries. and yeah opinions arent for me. i didnt even read poast that comment accept for continuing a discussion i was having with a brother, i find to have alot of wisdom. so im good with anyones judgements of me, and am oerfectly able to be confiident when saying the onlky opinion i heed is that of Jesus Christ, according to the 4 gospels written in the Holy bible. opinions lead to chaos
and i wasnt even aware you were in this conversation to be hinest i replied to mcgeem the op, and to maxwell....where is it that your judgement of me now comes in to matter?
and i wasnt even aware you were in this conversation to be hinest i replied to mcgeem the op, and to maxwell....where is it that your judgement of me now comes in to matter?
I guess the question becomes, followjesus, how well do you know the Bible?
If you can't find the obvious contradictions between the Book of Mormon and the Bible, then either you didn't read the Book of Mormon well, or you don't know the Bible very well.
Did I mention those Mormon "elders" i.e. very young men with white shirts and ties, told me all about the archeological proof for the cities mentioned which are found in the USA? Yes, they even had pictures of imaginary pictures. I did a lot of research and the library, because it seemed very strange that I, with a strong interest in ancient history had never heard such a thing.
Of course, the pictures were fabricated, and there are NO archeological evidence for the lost tribes of Israel building large cities in the United States of America.
So which Book of Mormon were you reading? The one that I started to read, that had contradictions with the Bible?
If you can't find the obvious contradictions between the Book of Mormon and the Bible, then either you didn't read the Book of Mormon well, or you don't know the Bible very well.
Did I mention those Mormon "elders" i.e. very young men with white shirts and ties, told me all about the archeological proof for the cities mentioned which are found in the USA? Yes, they even had pictures of imaginary pictures. I did a lot of research and the library, because it seemed very strange that I, with a strong interest in ancient history had never heard such a thing.
Of course, the pictures were fabricated, and there are NO archeological evidence for the lost tribes of Israel building large cities in the United States of America.
So which Book of Mormon were you reading? The one that I started to read, that had contradictions with the Bible?
Hello FollowJesus,
Mormon's cannot be Christian at their foundation and that because they believe that Jesus is a created being and the spirit brother of Satan. That pretty much nips it in the bud right from get-go. Mormonism also believes that "As God was, man is and as God is, man may become." This cannot be construed as scriptural in any way, shape or form. The thing to remember about all cults is that, they are not trying to lead an individual to Christ, but are promoting their system. Mormon's are trying to get people to become Mormon's. JW's are trying to get people to become a JW. This becomes very apparent when a pair of JW's come to your door and you tell them that you are a believer in Christ and after hearing that, they continue to try to sell you on being a JW, because according to them, believing in Jesus is not enough to save you. I wonder if the apostles had JW's knocking on their doors?
Mormon's cannot be Christian at their foundation and that because they believe that Jesus is a created being and the spirit brother of Satan. That pretty much nips it in the bud right from get-go. Mormonism also believes that "As God was, man is and as God is, man may become." This cannot be construed as scriptural in any way, shape or form. The thing to remember about all cults is that, they are not trying to lead an individual to Christ, but are promoting their system. Mormon's are trying to get people to become Mormon's. JW's are trying to get people to become a JW. This becomes very apparent when a pair of JW's come to your door and you tell them that you are a believer in Christ and after hearing that, they continue to try to sell you on being a JW, because according to them, believing in Jesus is not enough to save you. I wonder if the apostles had JW's knocking on their doors?
J
lol i sometimes just have to shake my head and smile at the opinion theology that runs so rampant in public forums, the twisting of peoples words, isnt it Kind of strange though, that every example He gave, is found in the Bible im gonna just leave what i said for what it is and let people like magenta "explain" my beliefs lol and others can pray that i may somehow understand that i need to expel others from The Son of Gods presence because they dont think or believe the same as i do, (exactly why i do not and will never "belong" to any denomination. )when I have taken the time to actually read the book of mormon, sit, question and debate with several different "Latter day saints" << which is thier actual title.
and remind everyone that if they are interested in the Lds beliefs, there is always Lds.org, where the official church doctrine and articles of Faith are listed freely for anyone to go investigate rather than the opinions of so many. and remind that catholics claim to be the true church, as really many denominations do. I would also defend catholic theology when its being stated incorrectly, or protestant or any doctrine ive taken the time to actually bypass the variance of opinions and stories of what a person has heard a certain denomination believes, and simply read the book of mormon, the didache, the apocrypoha concerning catholics, the koran to understand muslims and so on.
If i have no Knowledge on a subject you wont find my opinion anywhere. I would also remind christians that there is One Judge, the Son of the Living God, His name is Jesus and as John says " Jesus did many things, so many that if there were all the books in the world, there would not be enough to record them. would remind that following joseph princes "revelation" of Grace, is no different that following anyones " revelation" current past or future. My advice is and will always be, learn from the Holy Bible, kjv authorized version is my preference. but we each have our own i suppose.
its strange to me How people never fail to see what someone isnt saying, and then have thier opinions on it
i do thank you for the Love offer though, God bless you.
and remind everyone that if they are interested in the Lds beliefs, there is always Lds.org, where the official church doctrine and articles of Faith are listed freely for anyone to go investigate rather than the opinions of so many. and remind that catholics claim to be the true church, as really many denominations do. I would also defend catholic theology when its being stated incorrectly, or protestant or any doctrine ive taken the time to actually bypass the variance of opinions and stories of what a person has heard a certain denomination believes, and simply read the book of mormon, the didache, the apocrypoha concerning catholics, the koran to understand muslims and so on.
If i have no Knowledge on a subject you wont find my opinion anywhere. I would also remind christians that there is One Judge, the Son of the Living God, His name is Jesus and as John says " Jesus did many things, so many that if there were all the books in the world, there would not be enough to record them. would remind that following joseph princes "revelation" of Grace, is no different that following anyones " revelation" current past or future. My advice is and will always be, learn from the Holy Bible, kjv authorized version is my preference. but we each have our own i suppose.
its strange to me How people never fail to see what someone isnt saying, and then have thier opinions on it
i do thank you for the Love offer though, God bless you.
maxwell couldnt be more wrong on the native american/Jewish dna. my family is native american and i know many of them and lots of them have Jewish DNA, nobody knows why. you also have Hebrew artifacts that have been found everywhere in north america. submarines?? scratchng my head on that one?