my brother became a Mormon and my mom is freaking out
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bro honestly im not mormon, i am the kind of person who Knows the Bible, and i have had several discussions with mormons, and i have read and thoroughly compared it with the Bible, so what im saying here, is just the truth its not opinion. this whole thing gets crazy on this site because of what everyones heard others say they heard about so and so. heres what im saying ( now thought ive made clear in this thread i would never convert to lds nor should anyone else ill most likely be called a mormon lol but its all good just to kind of prove my point and hopefully get folks to consider that its best to simply either be informed or withhold opinions
Here are some verses ( AGAIN NOT PUSHING THIS, HOPING IT WILL CLARIFY THAT I HAVE READ AND COMPREHEND AND ALSO HAVE COMPARED THE BOOK TO SCRIPTURE)
3 nephi 9:15 " Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name."
this is what they claim came from 3 days of darkness after the crucifixion and resurrection, in the entire book there is no other identification of Jesus than whats in the bible. ( so no they dont claim Jesus was a man only.
alma 5:48 "I say unto you, that I know of myself that whatsoever I shall say unto you, concerning that which is to come, is true; and I say unto you, that I know that Jesus Christ shall come, yea, the Son, the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace, and mercy, and truth. And behold, it is he that cometh to take away the sins of the world, yea, the sins of every man who steadfastly believeth on his name.
^^^ same things the bible teaches
Mormon 7:5 "Know ye that ye must come to the aknowledge of your fathers, and repent of all your sins and iniquities, and bbelieve in Jesus Christ, that he is the Son of God, and that he was slain by the Jews, and by the power of the Father he hath risen again, whereby he hath gained the cvictory over the grave; and also in him is the sting of death swallowed up."
same things the bible teaches
3 nephi 20:3"And they shall abelieve in me, that I am Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and shall pray unto the Father in my name."
helaman 3:28 "Yea, thus we see that the agate of heaven is open unto ball, even to those who will believe on the name of Jesus Christ, who is the Son of God."
again ^^^ same things the bible teaches
moroni 7:48 " Wherefore, my beloved brethren, pray unto the Father with all the energy of heart, that ye may be filled with this love, which he hath bestowed upon all who are true followers of his Son, Jesus Christ; that ye may become the sons of God; that when he shall appear we shall cbe like him, for we shall see him as he is; that we may have this hope; that we may be dpurified even as he is pure. Amen."
^^^ same things the bible teaches
mosiah 3:17"And moreover, I say unto you, that there shall be ano other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through the name of Christ, the cLord Omnipotent.
^^^ same thing the bible teaches
mosaih 5:8 "And under this head ye are made afree, and there is bno other head whereby ye can be made free. There is no other cname given whereby salvation cometh; therefore, I would that ye should dtake upon you the name of Christ, all you that have entered into the covenant with God that ye should be obedient unto the end of your lives.
it just doesnt part from the Bible the things it claims Jesus taught likethe sermon on the mount....are pretty much word for word as well. all of the " they believe this and that stuff almost every comment is dead wrong on what is written in the book of mormon, i know this for a fact, because ive read the book lol that was only my point.
That being said, i wouldnt ever convert because in my discussions and BIBLE studies with them, things came up that i dont know or necassarily believe, but also those things are never in opposition to the things the bible teaches, the prinicples are the same , its definately NOT for me, and not something i would recommend to others either, but the hearsay and things, thats just modern christianity.
this isnt aimed at you at all, im just not gonna go read through all the comments because ive been dragged into the nonsense in this place before and it doesnt matter who says what or what they actually show for proof, people just are gonna believe what they believe and then attack the people who dont agree and twist anything said anyway lol so im good, and amen to your comment tho i thought id just drop these to kid of end my time on this thread.
Im much better off Just sticking to those who arent pre concieved theologines and correcters of everyone else, love discussion but had a run with arguing things and its just nonsense and not at all my purpose in this place
God bless you abundantly !
Here are some verses ( AGAIN NOT PUSHING THIS, HOPING IT WILL CLARIFY THAT I HAVE READ AND COMPREHEND AND ALSO HAVE COMPARED THE BOOK TO SCRIPTURE)
3 nephi 9:15 " Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name."
this is what they claim came from 3 days of darkness after the crucifixion and resurrection, in the entire book there is no other identification of Jesus than whats in the bible. ( so no they dont claim Jesus was a man only.
alma 5:48 "I say unto you, that I know of myself that whatsoever I shall say unto you, concerning that which is to come, is true; and I say unto you, that I know that Jesus Christ shall come, yea, the Son, the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace, and mercy, and truth. And behold, it is he that cometh to take away the sins of the world, yea, the sins of every man who steadfastly believeth on his name.
^^^ same things the bible teaches
Mormon 7:5 "Know ye that ye must come to the aknowledge of your fathers, and repent of all your sins and iniquities, and bbelieve in Jesus Christ, that he is the Son of God, and that he was slain by the Jews, and by the power of the Father he hath risen again, whereby he hath gained the cvictory over the grave; and also in him is the sting of death swallowed up."
same things the bible teaches
3 nephi 20:3"And they shall abelieve in me, that I am Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and shall pray unto the Father in my name."
helaman 3:28 "Yea, thus we see that the agate of heaven is open unto ball, even to those who will believe on the name of Jesus Christ, who is the Son of God."
again ^^^ same things the bible teaches
moroni 7:48 " Wherefore, my beloved brethren, pray unto the Father with all the energy of heart, that ye may be filled with this love, which he hath bestowed upon all who are true followers of his Son, Jesus Christ; that ye may become the sons of God; that when he shall appear we shall cbe like him, for we shall see him as he is; that we may have this hope; that we may be dpurified even as he is pure. Amen."
^^^ same things the bible teaches
mosiah 3:17"And moreover, I say unto you, that there shall be ano other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through the name of Christ, the cLord Omnipotent.
^^^ same thing the bible teaches
mosaih 5:8 "And under this head ye are made afree, and there is bno other head whereby ye can be made free. There is no other cname given whereby salvation cometh; therefore, I would that ye should dtake upon you the name of Christ, all you that have entered into the covenant with God that ye should be obedient unto the end of your lives.
it just doesnt part from the Bible the things it claims Jesus taught likethe sermon on the mount....are pretty much word for word as well. all of the " they believe this and that stuff almost every comment is dead wrong on what is written in the book of mormon, i know this for a fact, because ive read the book lol that was only my point.
That being said, i wouldnt ever convert because in my discussions and BIBLE studies with them, things came up that i dont know or necassarily believe, but also those things are never in opposition to the things the bible teaches, the prinicples are the same , its definately NOT for me, and not something i would recommend to others either, but the hearsay and things, thats just modern christianity.
this isnt aimed at you at all, im just not gonna go read through all the comments because ive been dragged into the nonsense in this place before and it doesnt matter who says what or what they actually show for proof, people just are gonna believe what they believe and then attack the people who dont agree and twist anything said anyway lol so im good, and amen to your comment tho i thought id just drop these to kid of end my time on this thread.
Im much better off Just sticking to those who arent pre concieved theologines and correcters of everyone else, love discussion but had a run with arguing things and its just nonsense and not at all my purpose in this place
God bless you abundantly !
i found it believable that the entire world was covered with darkness and that hey, why wouldnt God send Jesus to other places and spread the gospel, he was appearing and disappearing 40 days in the bible hed show up then tell them " meet me in galilee ect. so its not something im willing to accuse others of not following Jesus, all things are possible with God, and everything the book of mormon claims about Jesus Christ is no different in any way than the Holy bible, what He said, who He is, what His gospel says ect. ..... Im sure God has no single denomination. but hey, i dont follow folks ideas anyways.
you are right Jesus earned the right to do as He wishes with people, if they are calling on Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God , according to the apostle John in 1 John 5, they are every bit as welcome as i am, and i for one am Glad that God is that way, its all about Jesus and the gospel. if you consider that the Kjv bible is officially doctrine, and that the bom doesnt part from it, its a bad move for people to be trying to accuse them.
people get really set in themselves, and i kind of think many crave arguing so im out of this one, already spent too much time. God bless man.
you are right Jesus earned the right to do as He wishes with people, if they are calling on Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God , according to the apostle John in 1 John 5, they are every bit as welcome as i am, and i for one am Glad that God is that way, its all about Jesus and the gospel. if you consider that the Kjv bible is officially doctrine, and that the bom doesnt part from it, its a bad move for people to be trying to accuse them.
people get really set in themselves, and i kind of think many crave arguing so im out of this one, already spent too much time. God bless man.
they believe in continuing revelation JUST LIKE SOOO MANY ON HERE ARGUE FOR and most believe already anyways when they follow a denomination its either adding to, or omitting parts of doctrine has to be, through bad interpretations...thats what causes all the arguing and condemnng each other in places like this. "you gotta be baptized our way" " never work" " you gotta obey" its all grace"....reformist" " catholic" it never ends, if every one all believed the word, wed have no issues. very popular christian belief is continuing revelation, not saying i personally believe anyones " revelation" but hey, could be im just not in the same place, cant judge other people no matter what.
Wow!
So you are not a Christian then?
You do realise that Mormon's do NOT believe that Jesus is the eternal Son of God - they think of Him as a man (conceived like you and I) who, by being such a good bloke, achieved divine status - as a god!
Furthermore, if you are a really good bloke then divinity awaits you too.
And I could go on...
And of course you know all this, yes?
So you are not a Christian then?
You do realise that Mormon's do NOT believe that Jesus is the eternal Son of God - they think of Him as a man (conceived like you and I) who, by being such a good bloke, achieved divine status - as a god!
Furthermore, if you are a really good bloke then divinity awaits you too.
And I could go on...
And of course you know all this, yes?
Ive met quite a few mormons, and discussed with them often in the past, honestly, they are at thier foundation Christians, who accept the kjv version of the bible 100 percent, and they like many other denominations believe that they are the true Church. the only issue ive had in discussing with them, is they always want to talk about joseph smith and the bom, more than the Bible. i had 2 missionaries come and i allowed them to come in weekly and discuss and pray, i always spoke from the bible, and they never once said it was wrong, the talked me into reading the bom, and most of what it teaches is the same precepts Jesus taught, so i sort of Look at them as just another denomination.
they are maybe a little more fruitful in good deeds than most christians also, very helpful to others and always Kind. i think that Jesus will have people from any denomination of faith in Him, and thats the core of thier belief. I would never convert, but theres alot of denominations i wouldnt convert to
God bless
they are maybe a little more fruitful in good deeds than most christians also, very helpful to others and always Kind. i think that Jesus will have people from any denomination of faith in Him, and thats the core of thier belief. I would never convert, but theres alot of denominations i wouldnt convert to
God bless
And if they had understood THE TRUE CHURCH, they wouldn't be teaching others (according to their prophet, Joseph smith whose teachings are not apostolic) that a priesthood authority was lost
they would have understood the silliness of this had they understood CHRIST as HIGH PRIEST over HIS priestly people/body/bride/church. Of whom the call to those in HIM was to point all to the TRUTH that CHRIST is risen and is the FOUNDATION and HEAD of HIS OWN BODY and is able by HIS SPIRIT to direct the members HIS own body/church/bride
I don't believe they even understand THE BODY/CHURCH
that because they aren't born again of HIS LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT
Therefore they shouldn't be teaching since they arent led by HIS SPIRIT
they would have understood the silliness of this had they understood CHRIST as HIGH PRIEST over HIS priestly people/body/bride/church. Of whom the call to those in HIM was to point all to the TRUTH that CHRIST is risen and is the FOUNDATION and HEAD of HIS OWN BODY and is able by HIS SPIRIT to direct the members HIS own body/church/bride
I don't believe they even understand THE BODY/CHURCH
that because they aren't born again of HIS LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT
Therefore they shouldn't be teaching since they arent led by HIS SPIRIT
Exactly just that alone disqualifies them when trying following the comandment to try the spirits to see if they are of God .God is no longer adding to His word. The Catholics do that also with what they call private revelation. It comes from not distinguishing the difference from the things of God and those of men it is there were Satan, the spirt of the anti christ gets his foot in the door
We can know Satan is behind any church that practices usurping the authority of God by adding or subtracting from it, the one source of Christian faith the word of God .Sola scriptura becomes the enemy (all things written in the law and the prophets ) to all who feel something is missing from the word of God.
Below is the Catholic version but any church that says thus says the Lord know he has not spoken se the same mind set.
97 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture make up a single sacred deposit of the Word of God" in which, as in a mirror, the pilgrim Church contemplates God, the source of all her riches.
Those oral traditions of men simply make the word of God without effect. It becomes the higher authority than the word of God in any denomination that seeks to add to the word.. thus says the Lord or I saw him in a vision or had a what some call a out of body experience The lord has already sealed up His word.
We can know Satan is behind any church that practices usurping the authority of God by adding or subtracting from it, the one source of Christian faith the word of God .Sola scriptura becomes the enemy (all things written in the law and the prophets ) to all who feel something is missing from the word of God.
Below is the Catholic version but any church that says thus says the Lord know he has not spoken se the same mind set.
97 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture make up a single sacred deposit of the Word of God" in which, as in a mirror, the pilgrim Church contemplates God, the source of all her riches.
Those oral traditions of men simply make the word of God without effect. It becomes the higher authority than the word of God in any denomination that seeks to add to the word.. thus says the Lord or I saw him in a vision or had a what some call a out of body experience The lord has already sealed up His word.
Why would one be concerned about the hiding of Scripture from others when one can simply make up their own way to follow "Jesus" and believe whatever they want to about "Jesus?" They can even write their own Scriptures if they want to and we have no authority to tell them otherwise.
Even Buddhists and Muslims may be already saved, they are just following Jesus in their own way. We cannot use the Word to determine what is true and false conversion &c. We have no authority, it is all purely subjective.
I hope you all can see the sarcasm in my post. We have one here who is such a blatant false teacher it is remarkable to behold. Of course, he doesn't believe the testimony of Scripture concerning Christ so this is understandable.
