Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

[followjesus]

Does anyone else here find it ironic that a moniker follow"jesus" believes this Christ ("jesus") to be created? That this would also imply idolatry because all idols and false gods are created?

So we're to follow a creation, a creature (follow"jesus")? Let that sink in for a second. This doesn't seem to mince well with "...and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen." Romans 1:25, which certainly if you think about it makes a necessary and dogmatic distinction between Christ and creation.

where did i claim that though? i think possibly thats not in my post lol

john 17:6 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Seems as if Jesus the Son of God, was with him before the World was...possibly

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: ....was God talking to Himself? or is it possible that He may be speaking to Jesus, His Only begotten at the creation?

im good with criticisms n all, but keep it to something i have actually said

colossians 1:13-Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;


Sort of seems Like God His Father, Gave Jesus His Son, the inheritance or something...hmmm

john 3:31-36 "He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. 32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. 33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


Possibly maybe God sent His only begotten Son to save the World??? and to testify to the truth that He heard from God maybe? and its pretty important to accept that God Has a son??

john 8:40 "But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

why would God have to tell Himself the truth ??? seems pretty complex why he would need to Hear from Himself, and then speak what He heard to the world. Maybe He is talking about the things He saw and Hear in Heaven before the world began while in the presence of God possibly?

john 8:38 "I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father."


it seems like maybe Jesus is Gods Son, and was before the world began, it does also seem Like He is the Son of God, noit God the Father.....

 

[miknik5]

where did i claim that though? i think possibly thats not in my post lol

john 17:6 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Seems as if Jesus the Son of God, was with him before the World was...possibly

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: ....was God talking to Himself? or is it possible that He may be speaking to Jesus, His Only begotten at the creation?

im good with criticisms n all, but keep it to something i have actually said

colossians 1:13-Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;


Sort of seems Like God His Father, Gave Jesus His Son, the inheritance or something...hmmm

john 3:31-36 "He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. 32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. 33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


Possibly maybe God sent His only begotten Son to save the World??? and to testify to the truth that He heard from God maybe? and its pretty important to accept that God Has a son??

john 8:40 "But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

why would God have to tell Himself the truth ??? seems pretty complex why he would need to Hear from Himself, and then speak what He heard to the world. Maybe He is talking about the things He saw and Hear in Heaven before the world began while in the presence of God possibly?

john 8:38 "I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father."


it seems like maybe Jesus is Gods Son, and was before the world began, it does also seem Like He is the Son of God, noit God the Father.....

GOD is SPIRIT


How can what is invisible be made visible?


colossians 1:15

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes..of course He did.

John 17:22-24 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;

[SUP]23 [/SUP] I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.

[SUP]24 [/SUP] "Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified

 

[followjesus]

Do you believe what Jesus said in John 17:22-24?

I suppose another question would be - "What exactly is the glory of the Father and of the Lord Jesus Christ that they have given to us believers?"

its the Holy spirit Buddy.

consider this

john 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

john 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

john 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body.

stick with me a moment so far God is spirit, and Jesus is saying the Father is living in me....

john 14:16-17 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

john 14:20-24 "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, .....but the Father's which sent me.


1 corinthians 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?


" Immanuel God with us" only through Faith in the Son of God. God is in Jesus, Jesus is in us, we are in Jesus.

Jesus is who connects us to God, and How the spirit Gets from God. to us.

the One mediator between God and Man....Jesus Christ.

think also, the man made temple was destroyed Just after Jesus was taken to Heaven, never has been rebuilt...Because the glory of God used to dwell in the temple made by man....But Because of Jesus, He dwells is us

Jesus was the image of God, and you know because you have quoted this " that we are being made into the image or " glory" of Jesus.

the purpose of Sending Jesus, was to sill us with the spirit of God. think the temple construction, Jesus is Like the holy of Holies where Gods presence dwells, and we are Like the temple. so we accept Jesus, and God is in Him. because if God came to us, we would die, but we have His perfect Son in us, and in Him is Gods spirit. the Father, the Son...and the Holy spirit living in and with us.

 

[bluto]

Why, yes I can. Abraham and Ismael. Adam and Cain.

First of all fgt, you don't read to good. I said give me an example of a son that "DOES NOT" share the same nature as its father. I mean since Jesus Christ is the one and only Son of God He would have the same nature as His Father. And since you "butted" in how about addressing my second question to followjesus which was, "What does it mean to call Jesus Christ the Son of God?"

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[miknik5]

its the Holy spirit Buddy.

consider this

john 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

john 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

john 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body.

stick with me a moment so far God is spirit, and Jesus is saying the Father is living in me....

john 14:16-17 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

john 14:20-24 "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, .....but the Father's which sent me.


1 corinthians 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?


" Immanuel God with us" only through Faith in the Son of God. God is in Jesus, Jesus is in us, we are in Jesus.

Jesus is who connects us to God, and How the spirit Gets from God. to us.

the One mediator between God and Man....Jesus Christ.

think also, the man made temple was destroyed Just after Jesus was taken to Heaven, never has been rebuilt...Because the glory of God used to dwell in the temple made by man....But Because of Jesus, He dwells is us

Jesus was the image of God, and you know because you have quoted this " that we are being made into the image or " glory" of Jesus.

the purpose of Sending Jesus, was to sill us with the spirit of God. think the temple construction, Jesus is Like the holy of Holies where Gods presence dwells, and we are Like the temple. so we accept Jesus, and God is in Him. because if God came to us, we would die, but we have His perfect Son in us, and in Him is Gods spirit. the Father, the Son...and the Holy spirit living in and with us.

Whose SPIRIT will come to us?

 

[followjesus]

Contradiction:

Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

REVELATION 5:4-6 "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.5And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. "

acts 2:35 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. (<< lamb slain)

acts 2:33 "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. ( seven spirits of God shed forth into the earth)


Jesus promiuse of the spirit

john 16:7 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

 

[miknik5]

Whose SPIRIT will come to us?

Again, follow Jesus?

whose spirit gives us life?

CHRIST's
or
GOD's

 

[followjesus]

Whose SPIRIT will come to us?

Gods spirit comes through Jesus, to us. Jesus is the Son of God therefore Gods spirit was in Jesus. He sends the spirit of His Son into our Hearts, both father and Son come into our Hearts through Faith in God sending His Son to redeem us, and fill us with the Spirit of God.


a fathers spirit is always in the soon, its in the Lifeblood. Jesus Had the spirit of God Living in Him, He was perfect, a holy temple unto the Lord, Jesus commited His spirit to God at the cross, and we receive both Father, and Son. the Father is in the Son. One Holy Ghost. Father, Son....and the believer

 

[followjesus]

First of all fgt, you don't read to good. I said give me an example of a son that "DOES NOT" share the same nature as its father. I mean since Jesus Christ is the one and only Son of God He would have the same nature as His Father. And since you "butted" in how about addressing my second question to followjesus which was, "What does it mean to call Jesus Christ the Son of God?"

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

amen and consider How much More the Perfect God, having a perfect Son. it produces His exact Image and Glory.

hebrews 1:3 "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

 

[miknik5]

And when CHRIST says I will send you another comforter who will be with you forever, even THE SPIRIT of TRUTH.......I will not leave you as orphans, I will come to you

what did HE mean?

 

[miknik5]

amen and consider How much More the Perfect God, having a perfect Son. it produces His exact Image and Glory.

hebrews 1:3 "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

What does that mean?
a perfect exact visible image of the invisible GOD
who came to show us THE FATHER

Who had all authority to show/reveal/declare/manifest THE FATHER

because HE came forth from GOD

 

[miknik5]

Philippians 2:6

 

[miknik5]

Gods spirit comes through Jesus, to us. Jesus is the Son of God therefore Gods spirit was in Jesus. He sends the spirit of His Son into our Hearts, both father and Son come into our Hearts through Faith in God sending His Son to redeem us, and fill us with the Spirit of God.


a fathers spirit is always in the soon, its in the Lifeblood. Jesus Had the spirit of God Living in Him, He was perfect, a holy temple unto the Lord, Jesus commited His spirit to God at the cross, and we receive both Father, and Son. the Father is in the Son. One Holy Ghost. Father, Son....and the believer

How do we, Through JESUS, Have access to the FATHER by ONE SPIRIT



A father's spirit is not always in his son
if that were true then Adam's father's spirit would have been in him

 

[followjesus]

GOD is SPIRIT


How can what is invisible be made visible?


colossians 1:15

considerthat the word is the son of God


1 John 5:5-8 "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. ( see v 5-6)

john 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


Notice The Father wasnt made Flesh, But the Word that came from Heaven. and the glory of the Word made flesh......is of the only bregotten OF the Father.

the spirit of Jesus testifies that we are the children of God

galatuians 4:6 "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Because we recieve Jesus spirit, the Son of Gods Spirit, in the Son of God is the Father. so there you have the Father, the word made flesh ( Son of God) and Jesus promise to send the Holy ghost, when He is seated at the right Hand of God in Heaven, where He came from,.... to those who receive His spirit, Receive the Fathers spirit ( the Holy ghost)

Jesus spirit is in His word

john 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

if we receive His word, He promises to send the Holy Ghost to those. (john 14:15-24)

Jesus Word is the Keys to Life everlasting. because through Him we receive the Spirit of God Life everlasting, together with Both Father, and Son.

 

[miknik5]

considerthat the word is the son of God


1 John 5:5-8 "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. ( see v 5-6)

john 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


Notice The Father wasnt made Flesh, But the Word that came from Heaven. and the glory of the Word made flesh......is of the only bregotten OF the Father.

the spirit of Jesus testifies that we are the children of God

galatuians 4:6 "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Because we recieve Jesus spirit, the Son of Gods Spirit, in the Son of God is the Father. so there you have the Father, the word made flesh ( Son of God) and Jesus promise to send the Holy ghost, when He is seated at the right Hand of God in Heaven, where He came from,.... to those who receive His spirit, Receive the Fathers spirit ( the Holy ghost)

Jesus spirit is in His word

john 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

if we receive His word, He promises to send the Holy Ghost to those. (john 14:15-24)

Jesus Word is the Keys to Life everlasting. because through Him we receive the Spirit of God Life everlasting, together with Both Father, and Son.

Consider that the WORD became flesh and dwelt amongst us
consider that GOD covered over HIS GLORY in our covering and came to us

 

[miknik5]

Again Followjesus,

Whose spirit gives us life?

CHRIST's

or

GOD's

 

[followjesus]

How do we, Through JESUS, Have access to the FATHER by ONE SPIRIT



A father's spirit is not always in his son
if that were true then Adam's father's spirit would have been in him

the one spirit is the Holy Ghost see the comment above.

Jesus spirit is the son of Gods spirit, found in Hos word the Knowledge in them. The Holy Ghost is what Jesus promised to send to those who recieve His spirit. the One spirit is the Holy Ghost its what unifies Us with Father and Son.

john 14:20 "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

not a possibility without accepting the Son of God, He is the Only way for man, to be a child of God to receive His spirit, and then the Father will come as Jesus promised

 

[followjesus]

Again Followjesus,

Whose spirit gives us life?

CHRIST's

or

GOD's

forget it i see as usual the cirsle with you...be blessed tho

 

[miknik5]

What does CHRIST mean when HE says all that is the father's is mine. This is why I say I will take from what is mine and give to you


what is it that the son gives to us?