Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

[followjesus]

This is a tragedy.. The Jews said their father was Ab, not God..

they claimed first abraham, and then said " we have no father But God himself" to which Jesus replied thier father was the devil"

Jesus was claiming to be the eternal Son of God, the promised Christ who came from God. thats why He was crucified and accused of blasphemy.

Mark 14:61-64 "But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. 63Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? 64Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

its why they hated Him and began plotting to Kill Him

john 5:18 "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Jesus wasnt Just saying im a child of God...He was saying I am the Messiah, the Only begotten Son of God, I came from Heaven, and will return to Heaven after I am raised from the dead.

God refers to isreal as His children often, Jesus claim was to be the One all the scripture foretold would come. the Begotten Son, the Christ. He was crucified for telling them the truth " I am the Christ, the Son of the Living God..the One God sent. ( deuteronomy 18:18-19, john 12:48-50)

 

[followjesus]

Agreed! He was given the highest name by His Father BC He completed His assignment, now He gets to claim all titles.. He was destined before the foundation so yeah, He's always been the first and last...

amen to that Good understanding !!

ACTS 2:33-35 "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

 

[bluto]

You know z why don't you learn to read things in context before you post things like what you said here: "This is a tragedy.. The Jews said their father was Ab, not God.." Really, please read the following: John 8:53, "Surely You are not grater than our Father Abraham, who died? The prophets died too; who do You make Yourself out to be?"

Vs54, Jesus answered, If I glorify Myself; My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, (now watch this part z?) OF WHOM YOU SAY HE IS OUR GOD." Did you get that z? Jesus is telling the Jews (which is not a tragedy btw) that God the Father is their God. Now look at John 8:55, "and you have not come to know Him." Jesus is telling them that they do not know God the Father but in their mind they think they know Him.

Then at John 8:56, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." So what do the Jews do next? Vs57, "The Jews therefore said to Him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Vs58, "Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you before Abraham sprang into existence, I am." Now for vs59, "Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him." Why did they want to kill Jesus z?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[BenFTW]

We "behold Christ" through different means. One is the hearing of Him and His finished work on the cross and resurrection which brings faith naturally. In the "hearing of Him " - we can see Him within our own spirit.



Jesus often would say "Behold". Paul says we are a new creation - Behold - look, to perceive, to see - old things have passed away and all things are new. 2 Cor. 5:17

Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.


The other part to this IMO - is the grace that comes by the revelation of Christ Himself and what He has already done. This is a work of the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ to us like Jesus said He would do.

When we see Him - we become like Him. That is the heavenly dynamic for transformation.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.


The other way of the kingdom seems to be when we look at creation for it speaks of Christ and the kingdom ways. Jesus often used things like "Consider the birds, consider the lilies, the kingdom of God is like the way a wheat grows and matures...etc"

I look at a plant that turns it's "face" into the sun ( like we do towards the Son ) and the light of that brings about the production of chlorophyll which supplies the "nutrients" needed for that plant to "be itself" ( if you will ) and grow naturally to be what it already is inside of it.

Meditating on the love and grace of God in Christ is another heavenly dynamic for transformation that the Spirit uses - which is another way of saying " set your mind on things above" Col. 3:1-4

Colossians 3:1-4 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

[SUP]2 [/SUP] Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.

I am suggesting that transformation is not a work of our own doing. It is a work of the Holy Spirit which we participate in it with Him. For it is God who is at work in you - both to will and to do of His good pleasure. Phil. 2:13

Our part is to depend on what Christ has done by grace through faith and in this complete reliance on Him His fruit is borne on us the branches. Without Him we can do nothing.

In one sense then, our part is to read His word so that the Holy Spirit may grant us revelation and understanding. Or as one apostle says in his letter, "to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ." This exhortation, this prayer, and this hope for such growth from the Apostle Peter is neat because most get that Jesus died on the cross and resurrected, but beyond the cross there is a life to be had. Victory to walk in. Grace to be bestowed. Chains broken and liberty ascertained. A lyric from a song, "No longer bound to sin, I am free" rings true to our ears.

 

[Grandpa]

How do we "abide"...."John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me."

....a few verses later v9-11 "As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

John 15:12 [FONT=&quot]This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

[/FONT]Matthew 11:28-30
[FONT=&quot]28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.[/FONT]

 

[miknik5]

This is a tragedy.. The Jews said their father was Ab, not God..

Yes...It is tragic
because THE SON of GOD said to these men who were convicted of sin that if THE SON sets you free, you are free

They were offended and said in return:

"We are not a slave to any man"

Showing that these men confused THE SON OF GOD as just another man

thats why they said:

"Our father is Abraham convicted of their sins couldn't understand what THE DON was saying when HE said,

 

[followjesus]

John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

ohn 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

i john 3:16-24 "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

18My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

20For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.


1 John 5:2-3 "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

 

[followjesus]

Yes...It is tragic
because THE SON of GOD said to these men who were convicted of sin that if THE SON sets you free, you are free

They were offended and said in return:

"We are not a slave to any man"

Showing that these men confused THE SON OF GOD as just another man

thats why they said:

"Our father is Abraham convicted of their sins couldn't understand what THE DON was saying when HE said,

john 8:31-35 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

John 8:12-13 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. 13The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.

 

[Zi]

No actually you just proved my point.. I was calling your post a tragedy BC you don't read.. Your rant is for nothing

You know z why don't you learn to read things in context before you post things like what you said here: "This is a tragedy.. The Jews said their father was Ab, not God.." Really, please read the following: John 8:53, "Surely You are not grater than our Father Abraham, who died? The prophets died too; who do You make Yourself out to be?"

Vs54, Jesus answered, If I glorify Myself; My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, (now watch this part z?) OF WHOM YOU SAY HE IS OUR GOD." Did you get that z? Jesus is telling the Jews (which is not a tragedy btw) that God the Father is their God. Now look at John 8:55, "and you have not come to know Him." Jesus is telling them that they do not know God the Father but in their mind they think they know Him.

Then at John 8:56, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." So what do the Jews do next? Vs57, "The Jews therefore said to Him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Vs58, "Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you before Abraham sprang into existence, I am." Now for vs59, "Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him." Why did they want to kill Jesus z?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Zi]

Some of you are wound so tight

 

[followjesus]

You know z why don't you learn to read things in context before you post things like what you said here: "This is a tragedy.. The Jews said their father was Ab, not God.." Really, please read the following: John 8:53, "Surely You are not grater than our Father Abraham, who died? The prophets died too; who do You make Yourself out to be?"

Vs54, Jesus answered, If I glorify Myself; My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, (now watch this part z?) OF WHOM YOU SAY HE IS OUR GOD." Did you get that z? Jesus is telling the Jews (which is not a tragedy btw) that God the Father is their God. Now look at John 8:55, "and you have not come to know Him." Jesus is telling them that they do not know God the Father but in their mind they think they know Him.

Then at John 8:56, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." So what do the Jews do next? Vs57, "The Jews therefore said to Him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Vs58, "Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you before Abraham sprang into existence, I am." Now for vs59, "Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him." Why did they want to kill Jesus z?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

""Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad."

Genesis 22:18 "And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

galatians 3:8 "And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Galatians 3:16 "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Romans 1:1-5 "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:7To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

john 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.1 timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 1;3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

acts 2:33 "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

ACTS 10:42-43 "And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.


1 john 3:23 "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

john 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

[bluto]

Some of you are wound so tight

And your "Biblically clueless" so now can you please tell what was it that I posted to you is wrong or not Biblical in your mind? And knowing ones Bible does not mean a person is wound up tight. Ugh!

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[bluto]

""Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad."

Genesis 22:18 "And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

galatians 3:8 "And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Galatians 3:16 "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Romans 1:1-5 "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:7To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

john 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.1 timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 1;3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

acts 2:33 "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

ACTS 10:42-43 "And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.


1 john 3:23 "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

john 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

So what's your point notfollowingjesus? I proved from the Bible that Jesus Christ is God Almighty so how about addressing what I posted to you? Tell me where I'm wrong?

And another thing, you said this: "Genesis 22:18 "And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice." Can you please tell me why Abraham obeyed the angel of the Lord's voice in Genesis 22? Read verses 11-19 of Genesis 22 and pay special attention to vs 16. This ought to be good especially in light of the fact that you deny that Jesus Christ is God.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[miknik5]

Fixing my prior post with regards to John 8

Yes...It is tragic that these men didn't want THE SON to set them free

Rather, They were offended that "this man" could even suggest that HE could free anyone

which is why they said:

"We are not a slave to any man...Our father is Abraham"


showing they did not believe HIS TESTIMONY that HE IS THE SON of GOD

 

[Zi]

To fly off into your defenses is not biblical.. No thanks.. I understand the Bible I'm not clueless.. You're so tight you can't see what I mean..

And your "Biblically clueless" so now can you please tell what was it that I posted to you is wrong or not Biblical in your mind? And knowing ones Bible does not mean a person is wound up tight. Ugh!

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[miknik5]

john 8:31-35 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

John 8:12-13 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. 13The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.

If you knew THE TRUTH you would have understood

we are back to my very first question to you


why could HE testify of HIMSELF and HIS TESTIMONY would be valid?

because HE has greater TESTIMONY

HIS FATHER also will trstify

and they asked again, showing they did not believe :


WHO IS YOUR FATHER


Listen to CHRIST's response: The very same one I have told you


Please don't leave out allllllll that is said in John 8

 

[miknik5]

You have no idea how much I love HIS WORD in John 8

 

[followjesus]

Some of you are wound so tight

its a common thing in the bdf. its why so many warn new members to not go to the bdf, i hinestly am suprised that " Jesus is the Christ and only begotten Son of God" is such a point of apparent conflict and bitterness. but i suppose the gospel has always been unacceptable to many and a point of contenetion. i think i have been pretty clear with scripture in this thread and hopefully someone will consider the op.

 

[followjesus]

If you knew THE TRUTH you would have understood

we are back to my very first question to you


why could HE testify of HIMSELF and HIS TESTIMONY would be valid?

because HE has greater TESTIMONY

HIS FATHER also will trstify

and they asked again, showing they did not believe :


WHO IS YOUR FATHER


Listen to CHRIST's response: The very same one I have told you


Please don't leave out allllllll that is said in John 8

what about John 8 ?

thats the whole point Jesus is the Son of God, Gods spirit Livid in His Body. God is spirit, Jesus is the Only begotten Son, God Livied in Him, through Faith in the Son of God , Jesus...we receive the Holy spirit. God was with Jesus, thats never been a point of contenetion. God is also with thopse who accept His only begotten Son Jesus the christ. so we testify of Jesus, Jesus testified of God, God testifies of Jesus. God the Father, Jesus his Only begotten Son, and the believer. all One.

But God the Father is God, Jesus Is His Only begotten, Lord and Christ, and we are the children of God by Faith in Him. thats Kind of why the op was what it was. but this is really a pointless argument, its clear that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, thats Just what the Bible makes clear, so ill leave it there for my part plenty of scripture.


but yea though im pretty clear about John 8. God was living in the temple of Jesus, His body. and through Faith in Jesus the Son of God, God comes to Live in Us, Jesus in us, God the Father in Jesus.

God bless

 

[followjesus]

To fly off into your defenses is not biblical.. No thanks.. I understand the Bible I'm not clueless.. You're so tight you can't see what I mean..

its what certain folks do when you are clear on scripture, its strange but " that makes your belief unbiblical" to some here in the bdf. its because of too many studies into what an author said the bible means. and Not enough study of the gospel and prayer to God for Understanding. its like some think we need a mediator, to explain what scripture means, but really the Holy spirit authored it, and is promised to those Who put faith In Gods Son. and He also tells us to ask and receive. seems simple enough.

it makes people defensive when the bible doesnt say what they were told it says.