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Jesus said when He comes back that the hypocrites will not be able to be gathered unto Him,and will lose out,for whoever misses out on that first resurrection,will not be resurrected until the second resurrection at the end of the millennial reign of Christ,which means all hypocrites will not make it to heaven.

So it is obvious that the hypocrites cannot make it,but some might say they were not saved to begin with,but Jesus said they were alright at one time,but they went to acting like the world,and Jesus caught them off guard,and not on their game,and they lost out,and also Jesus comes as a thief in the night,and there is a purpose for that,and said to watch for you know not when I come,and said to the Church of Sardis that He did not find their works perfect before God,and if they did not repent He would come upon them as a thief,and they will not know when He comes.

All the Churches Jesus says to repent,except for Philadelphia,for they were doing right,and if they did not repent they would not have salvation,so these people were right with God at one time,for Jesus said repent,and if they did not repent,and turn from what they were doing wrong,they would not receive salvation,for Jesus will fight against them,remove their candlestick from out of its place,and come upon them as a thief.

Now I know the thinking of some people that would think,we are the saints of the Church of Philadelphia,but those that name the name of Christ must depart from iniquity,so if they have sin in their life they do,and will not give it up,they are are not doing right,and are one of the those that have to repent.

Which even the Church of Philadelphia might have sinned,but the difference of those that know the truth,led of the Spirit,and those not led of the Spirit,is those led of the Spirit know it is wrong,and they are not right with God,and will correct it,but those not in the truth,will hold unto sin,and think they are alright despite the sin they are holding unto.

So who are the hypocrites that did right,and saved,but played around in sin,and Jesus caught them with their pants down,and some possibly literally in sin,and they could not be gathered unto Christ.

A hypocrite is someone who claims Christ,but does not want to represent Him,which is abstaining from sin,and representing goodness.

They can say all they want to say,but if they hold unto sin they are a hypocrite,which the Bible says if they hold unto sin the blood of Christ cannot wash away that sin,and their soul is in a position of death.

They play a dangerous game.

They say they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,but then they intentionally sin,when they could of chose the good,and that is strange that they will sin on purpose,and then say we cannot abstain from sin,but they are doing it on purpose,not trying to beat it,and then say they cannot abstain from sin,as if they had no choice in the matter and were forced to sin against their will.
 

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Another error is to assume anything...the book is directed at HEBREW Christians....and your whole point is moot....Gentiles had no part with the Jewish system, were not delivered from Egypt, were not in the wilderness, were not beholden to Moses etc.......WAKE UP.....and who said that we cannot glean truth from the book....??
There are no such things a class of people called HEBREW CHRISTIANS.

Have you not heard yet that we are ONE body? You should look it up.
 
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No, wrong, stop saying this stuff, it is pure nonsense. Everyone has shown you time and again
how flawed and empty your logic and arguments are. SMH, doh.
I am sick and tired of this continual denial. I give up on you as a lost cause.
Everything is not about you. This behaviour of slander, lies and insults is worse than the
sin of homosexuality. This is Christian porn. As long as people continue to talk with you
as if there is no sin involved, you will believe there is no issue at all to address.

No matter how you slice and dice scripture the truth will come out against you.

One thing I cannot write that you are going to hell and sending other people to hell,
because that is Gods prerogative.

By the way I wrote the above as a reflection of the normal diatribe and junk I face
which actually is meaningless and can be said by anyone.

I do wonder how the delusion of this abuse is so addictive to some, like a one upmanship
dictator type roll, trampling on someone without foundation.

It is educational though, of the tactics that a losing side will go to, to try and bolster a
position where the arguments no longer exist, lol.
HAHAHHA this is hilarious coming from you pal.....HAHA ok cake taker....EVERYONE hey....that in itself is a lie.....hahahahah ole Petey lost his Christianity....man...you better repent....by your own doctrine your currently lost for saying EVERYONE...when in reality....I can think of quite a few that agree with my view...so...everyone falls short of truth.....Proverbs 6
 

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There are no such things a class of people called HEBREW CHRISTIANS.

Have you not heard yet that we are ONE body? You should look it up.
Colossians 3
[SUP]11 [/SUP]where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.



Nice and BIG for DCON
 

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There was no cop out....you do like you always do....refuse to accept any truth not hammered on your own anvil and then make assertions just like this one.....
I just confront you with scripture. Those words do the rest to expose your heresy.
 
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There are no such things a class of people called HEBREW CHRISTIANS.

Have you not heard yet that we are ONE body? You should look it up.
sure....the two have become one....does not change the fact that particular letters were written to particular groups of people....your favorite go to book for pushing works is case in point...UNTO the 12 TRIBES scattered abroad....MAYBE you should step back and evaluate your theology....the book was written to JEWS who were CHRISTIAN...it seem your view, like PETEY falls short of being right
 
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Colossians 3
[SUP]11 [/SUP]where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.



Nice and BIG for DCON
13806<-----wake up from your stupor
 

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[FONT=&quot]7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] John 8:7

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[FONT=&quot]8 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]10 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]1 John 1:8-10[/FONT]
 
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Colossians 3
[SUP]11 [/SUP]where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.



Nice and BIG for DCON
sure....the two have become one....does not change the fact that particular letters were written to particular groups of people....your favorite go to book for pushing works is case in point...UNTO the 12 TRIBES scattered abroad....MAYBE you should step back and evaluate your theology....the book was written to JEWS who were CHRISTIAN...it seem your view, like PETEY falls short of being right
 

Chris1975

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sure....the two have become one....does not change the fact that particular letters were written to particular groups of people....your favorite go to book for pushing works is case in point...UNTO the 12 TRIBES scattered abroad....MAYBE you should step back and evaluate your theology....the book was written to JEWS who were CHRISTIAN...it seem your view, like PETEY falls short of being right
According to your logic, then none of the NT was written to you.

Make that none of the bible, if you were to be believed.
 
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And your belief denies verb tense<---that GOD inspired.....when will you finally figure out that it is HIS WORK, he BEGAN the FAITH in ALL believers and HE WILL FINISH the FAITH HE STARTED........and you wonder why we rake you over the coals....

JESUS is the BEGINNER and FINISHER of our faith

JESUS will NEVER leave us or FORSAKE US

JESUS has us IN HIS HAND

WE are in the FATHER'S HAND

WE ARE SEALED with the Spirit of PROMISE

AND GOD who CANNOT LIE PROMISED eternal LIFE unto ALL who biblically acknowledge his SON.....

YOU cannot DO ANYTHING to save yourself or KEEP yourself saved......that is the WORK of CHRIST.......

Your JESUS must be weak.....serious.....we do not worship the same JESUS...mine is STRONG and KEEPS HIS WORD

Trouble is my friend you are assuming God started the work in you.
Given the type of stuff you have no problem coming out with, I doubt
that love has really taken root in you.

I am amazed at those who say there faith before their latest realisation was
false, yet now they are happy to condemn, call evil believers for daring to disagree
over a minor doctrinal conviction. It suggests to me they have no real clue about
lostness to Christ and saving faith in the soul of man.

Because people are burdened with guilt and ocd about laws and legalism does not
mean God is lawless, and sin is not something that must be resolved, step by step.

The problem with saying one small sin puts you under the law and once free from
the law no sin condemns you, this is licensousness, testified by the very believers
talking about sin which is not difficult to overcome if love truly rules in their hearts.

The very lax testimony shows the lack of walking in the Spirit, and the whole tenor
and condemnation of others, and literal abuse, slander, false accusation, over nothing,
speaks there hearts are not resolved or sensitive to walking in love.

So bad this gets, trying to blast someone apart, openly saying this is what they are doing,
is not even regarded as sin in its own right, but something one just ignores. This fruit comes
from a seared conscience and a hard heart. To be honest if I did not know the Lord very well
much of this junk would be very upsetting as it was when I was first accused of in the most
basic terms of not knowing God but walking with satan.

But then on balance, after thinking of many I know in my fellowship, the lack of balance
here may be a far reflection of the ideas in the church as a whole. We have enough flat earthers
to make anyone weep, lol. And the kind of guilt tripping that goes on, I would be ashamed to
know personally these people, let alone to think they are responsible parents. I would feel sorry
for any kids under such a regime.

But hey, I truly forgive you, because you do not know what you are doing, God bless you all.
 
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Jesus said when He comes back that the hypocrites will not be able to be gathered unto Him,and will lose out,for whoever misses out on that first resurrection,will not be resurrected until the second resurrection at the end of the millennial reign of Christ,which means all hypocrites will not make it to heaven.

So it is obvious that the hypocrites cannot make it,but some might say they were not saved to begin with,but Jesus said they were alright at one time,but they went to acting like the world,and Jesus caught them off guard,and not on their game,and they lost out,and also Jesus comes as a thief in the night,and there is a purpose for that,and said to watch for you know not when I come,and said to the Church of Sardis that He did not find their works perfect before God,and if they did not repent He would come upon them as a thief,and they will not know when He comes.

All the Churches Jesus says to repent,except for Philadelphia,for they were doing right,and if they did not repent they would not have salvation,so these people were right with God at one time,for Jesus said repent,and if they did not repent,and turn from what they were doing wrong,they would not receive salvation,for Jesus will fight against them,remove their candlestick from out of its place,and come upon them as a thief.

Now I know the thinking of some people that would think,we are the saints of the Church of Philadelphia,but those that name the name of Christ must depart from iniquity,so if they have sin in their life they do,and will not give it up,they are are not doing right,and are one of the those that have to repent.

Which even the Church of Philadelphia might have sinned,but the difference of those that know the truth,led of the Spirit,and those not led of the Spirit,is those led of the Spirit know it is wrong,and they are not right with God,and will correct it,but those not in the truth,will hold unto sin,and think they are alright despite the sin they are holding unto.

So who are the hypocrites that did right,and saved,but played around in sin,and Jesus caught them with their pants down,and some possibly literally in sin,and they could not be gathered unto Christ.

A hypocrite is someone who claims Christ,but does not want to represent Him,which is abstaining from sin,and representing goodness.

They can say all they want to say,but if they hold unto sin they are a hypocrite,which the Bible says if they hold unto sin the blood of Christ cannot wash away that sin,and their soul is in a position of death.

They play a dangerous game.

They say they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,but then they intentionally sin,when they could of chose the good,and that is strange that they will sin on purpose,and then say we cannot abstain from sin,but they are doing it on purpose,not trying to beat it,and then say they cannot abstain from sin,as if they had no choice in the matter and were forced to sin against their will.
the bible only testifies of one physical resurrection...John 8-28,29, Acts 24-16, Daniel 12-2, Matthew 13:37-43, Matthew 13:48-50, Matthew 25:29-46...There are other places as well, but dont recall them oif the top of my head..;;The first resurrection in Rev 20 speaks of those who are born again, (Ezekiel's dry bones that are risen),and they suffer not the 2nd death of eternal condemnation.... the millennial reign was fabricated by Jesuits, Ribera in the 16h century, and Lacunza in the 19th century, (its actually a slant taken from Purgatory)... then all the Jesuits work was translated into English by Edward Irving in 1827, whereas the mania exploded from that point and time.. Darby was member at those Powers Court supposed revivals in the early 1830s......be blessed, and keep up the good contending for the faith
 
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Trouble is my friend you are assuming God started the work in you.
Given the type of stuff you have no problem coming out with, I doubt
that love has really taken root in you.

I am amazed at those who say there faith before their latest realisation was
false, yet now they are happy to condemn, call evil believers for daring to disagree
over a minor doctrinal conviction. It suggests to me they have no real clue about
lostness to Christ and saving faith in the soul of man.

Because people are burdened with guilt and ocd about laws and legalism does not
mean God is lawless, and sin is not something that must be resolved, step by step.

The problem with saying one small sin puts you under the law and once free from
the law no sin condemns you, this is licensousness, testified by the very believers
talking about sin which is not difficult to overcome if love truly rules in their hearts.

The very lax testimony shows the lack of walking in the Spirit, and the whole tenor
and condemnation of others, and literal abuse, slander, false accusation, over nothing,
speaks there hearts are not resolved or sensitive to walking in love.

So bad this gets, trying to blast someone apart, openly saying this is what they are doing,
is not even regarded as sin in its own right, but something one just ignores. This fruit comes
from a seared conscience and a hard heart. To be honest if I did not know the Lord very well
much of this junk would be very upsetting as it was when I was first accused of in the most
basic terms of not knowing God but walking with satan.

But then on balance, after thinking of many I know in my fellowship, the lack of balance
here may be a far reflection of the ideas in the church as a whole. We have enough flat earthers
to make anyone weep, lol. And the kind of guilt tripping that goes on, I would be ashamed to
know personally these people, let alone to think they are responsible parents. I would feel sorry
for any kids under such a regime.

But hey, I truly forgive you, because you do not know what you are doing, God bless you all.
Again, you cannot see past your own nose..it is your doctrine pal...not you...one of these days you will figure it out....it does no one any good to even attempt dialogue with you....you do exactly what you accuse others of....end of story...I just need to remember that I have you blocked for a reason....see ya
 
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HAHAHHA this is hilarious coming from you pal.....HAHA ok cake taker....EVERYONE hey....that in itself is a lie.....hahahahah ole Petey lost his Christianity....man...you better repent....by your own doctrine your currently lost for saying EVERYONE...when in reality....I can think of quite a few that agree with my view...so...everyone falls short of truth.....Proverbs 6
I was thinking of the term you love to use cake taker, but actually you are the cake taker.
You are happy to trample on righteousness and loving behaviour, not judging others, and
thinking others better than yourselves, and strut around as if you are Gods instrument of
justice on the Christian world.

The problem with your behaviour is when God finally brings judgement home to roost.
Because you have dependents, the Lords grace may well be extended longer than you
realise, but the end will be the same.

And the cake you are taking is salvation without any signs of repentance or resolution.
The whole stupidity of this position is you are entitled to salvation because once gained
it cannot be lost no matter how you behave, when this is totally contrary to Gods nature
and approach.

God looks at our behaviour and then moves on to our faith. The behaviour is the fruit
of the faith, and if the fruit is not there neither will the faith be. But you fear this reality
so much, you console yourself with I am secure in Christ no matter what.

Trouble is Jesus has already declared His people cannot be evil doers, in fact he will
disown such behaviour and say He never knew them. Harsh but a real reality.

God bless you, and may the Lords grace shine upon until the day judgement,
when everything will be brought out into the open, Amen.
 
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"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
 
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Again, you cannot see past your own nose..it is your doctrine pal...not you...one of these days you will figure it out....it does no one any good to even attempt dialogue with you....you do exactly what you accuse others of....end of story...I just need to remember that I have you blocked for a reason....see ya
I am glad you have blocked me, at least it stops this useless diatribe, of attempted
rejection, as if respect from someone who shows no respect is something of value.

And you do not have a dialogue with people, it is either accept your bland statements
or you blank them. That is just abuse and disrespect. But then as your heart does not
know the difference between good behaviour and evil behaviour, I cannot expect anything
better from you. God bless you, and may you learn what humbleness really is, and trying
to see things from anothers perspective.