The truth behind the Law
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Let me give him some references to feed off of: The answer, Dan_473, to miknik5's question is: found in John 6:29. "The work of God is this: To believe in the One He has sent.
It begins with God's call. We could never even begin to seek God unless he had already found us. The whole initiative is with him; the ground and the moving cause of the whole matter is his seeking love.
It develops in our effort. The Christian is not called to dream, but to fight; not to stand still, but to climb. He is called not only to the greatest privilege but also to the greatest task in the world.
This effort is helped continually by two things:
1). It is helped by the teaching, guidance and example of godly men. God speaks to us through those to whom he has already spoken. "A saint," as someone has said, "is a person who makes it easier for others to believe in God." And there are some who help us, not by anything they say or write, but simply by being what they are, men whom to meet is to meet God.
2). It is helped by God himself We are never left to fight and toil alone. He who gives us the task also gives us the strength to do it; more, he actually does it with us. We are not thrown into the battle to meet it with the puny resources we can bring to it. At the back of us and beside us there is God. When Paul was up against it in Corinth, he had a vision by night in which the Lord said to him, "Do not be afraid...for I am with You" (Acts 18:9-10). They that are for us are always more than they that are against us.
This call and this effort are designed to produce two things:
1). They are designed to produce consecration on earth. Literally in Greek a thing which is consecrated is set apart for God. They are meant to set us apart in such a way that God can use us for his service. The result is that a man's life no longer belongs to him to do with it as he likes; it belongs to God for him to use as he likes.
2). They are designed to produce salvation in heaven. The Christian life does not end with time; its goal is eternity. The Christian can regard his present affliction as a light thing in comparison with the glory that shall be.
It begins with God's call. We could never even begin to seek God unless he had already found us. The whole initiative is with him; the ground and the moving cause of the whole matter is his seeking love.
It develops in our effort. The Christian is not called to dream, but to fight; not to stand still, but to climb. He is called not only to the greatest privilege but also to the greatest task in the world.
This effort is helped continually by two things:
1). It is helped by the teaching, guidance and example of godly men. God speaks to us through those to whom he has already spoken. "A saint," as someone has said, "is a person who makes it easier for others to believe in God." And there are some who help us, not by anything they say or write, but simply by being what they are, men whom to meet is to meet God.
2). It is helped by God himself We are never left to fight and toil alone. He who gives us the task also gives us the strength to do it; more, he actually does it with us. We are not thrown into the battle to meet it with the puny resources we can bring to it. At the back of us and beside us there is God. When Paul was up against it in Corinth, he had a vision by night in which the Lord said to him, "Do not be afraid...for I am with You" (Acts 18:9-10). They that are for us are always more than they that are against us.
This call and this effort are designed to produce two things:
1). They are designed to produce consecration on earth. Literally in Greek a thing which is consecrated is set apart for God. They are meant to set us apart in such a way that God can use us for his service. The result is that a man's life no longer belongs to him to do with it as he likes; it belongs to God for him to use as he likes.
2). They are designed to produce salvation in heaven. The Christian life does not end with time; its goal is eternity. The Christian can regard his present affliction as a light thing in comparison with the glory that shall be.
It would be more beneficial to first understand why a person can't love In spirit and TRUTH first.
Before JESUS died on the cross on our behalf,men were under the law and men were purifying the outward man but they were not able to purify the Inward man.GOD desires righteousness and wanted man to be pure In TRUTH.The children of Israel would try to keep the law by doing what the law said but they weren't sincere ,In other words,what they did didn't match theire hearts.
When JESUS came to earth HE magnified the law to the Spirit,(If any man look upon a women to lust he has committed adultery In his heart)
No one can be righteous before GOD except JeSUS.
So then If a person Is not In CHRIST then they are under law and already condemned.
So then the example would be a person under law and on their own were to have one sinful thought ,they would be disqualified. GOD will only accept perfection.
Before JESUS died on the cross on our behalf,men were under the law and men were purifying the outward man but they were not able to purify the Inward man.GOD desires righteousness and wanted man to be pure In TRUTH.The children of Israel would try to keep the law by doing what the law said but they weren't sincere ,In other words,what they did didn't match theire hearts.
When JESUS came to earth HE magnified the law to the Spirit,(If any man look upon a women to lust he has committed adultery In his heart)
No one can be righteous before GOD except JeSUS.
So then If a person Is not In CHRIST then they are under law and already condemned.
So then the example would be a person under law and on their own were to have one sinful thought ,they would be disqualified. GOD will only accept perfection.
Hi miknik5
I was looking at post#609 and I was wondering what Is your Interpretation on those verses In Matthew 7:22-23 .I mean how would a person be able to prophesy,cast out demons and do many miracles In JESUS name If GOD was not with them?
I'm not trying to stump you,I sent an email to a ministry that I trust to get some clarification.
Matthew 7:22-23
King James Version(KJV)
22.)Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23.)And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I was looking at post#609 and I was wondering what Is your Interpretation on those verses In Matthew 7:22-23 .I mean how would a person be able to prophesy,cast out demons and do many miracles In JESUS name If GOD was not with them?
I'm not trying to stump you,I sent an email to a ministry that I trust to get some clarification.
Matthew 7:22-23
King James Version(KJV)
22.)Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23.)And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I take It that your answer Is that they were not born of the Spirit of GOD,so then how could they prophesy,cast out demons If they were not reborn?
Which is CHRIST in us...OUR HOPE
We have this TREASURE in "jars of clay"
and that is exactly what we are apart from HIM
Will they also be able to cry out
who will save me from this body marked for death?
do you think that maybe they are aware that they can't follow the law perfectly yet because of their present blindness this is what keeps them from calling out to HIM
and why they can't call out to HIM?
what will happen in the day that they do...call out to HIM tired and heavy laden?
who will save me from this body marked for death?
do you think that maybe they are aware that they can't follow the law perfectly yet because of their present blindness this is what keeps them from calling out to HIM
and why they can't call out to HIM?
what will happen in the day that they do...call out to HIM tired and heavy laden?
Are you saying we are not "Jars of Clay" (in Him)? For we are still weak in Him, but it is our emergence of our New Man and miraculous emergence with Christ as our life that we are weak but He is strong; therefore we are strong in as much as we remain in Him, even in our weakness. The Jars of Clay represents our need to be pliable and humble to God, and the point of His Lordship and Majesty in being the contrast to our weakness, as well as the creator of our holiness, while keeping all of our personality in Him in distinction. This, however, is not weakness in sins. Rather weakness in our mortality and ephemerality, and our limitations as humans.
I'm not sure that I agree
Romans 7 says it is indeed sin that lives in us
that we dont always do the good that we want to do
a clay pot has no input in the potters work
The clay just allows the potter to work and really the work that we (the clay jars) has to learn to do is to be still and know that HE is God...trusting by faith in HIM that HE who began the good work will complete it
i do agree that when we are weak than we are strong. That we can do all things by CHRIST who strengthens us
But it is in the pruning and the discipline that we come to this revelation that we have to wait on HIM and persevere by our hope and our faith in HIM
Romans 7 says it is indeed sin that lives in us
that we dont always do the good that we want to do
a clay pot has no input in the potters work
The clay just allows the potter to work and really the work that we (the clay jars) has to learn to do is to be still and know that HE is God...trusting by faith in HIM that HE who began the good work will complete it
i do agree that when we are weak than we are strong. That we can do all things by CHRIST who strengthens us
But it is in the pruning and the discipline that we come to this revelation that we have to wait on HIM and persevere by our hope and our faith in HIM
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When is the day of our salvation....or when was it i would say...I like Psalm 118:24...which says This is the day our lord has made. let us rejoice and be glad in it.. What kills me is when people use that Psalm just to say we use that everyday without the true context of salvation. Psalm 118 is of our salvation....Powerful stuff i would say.