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No where in the New Testament are we instructed to keep the Sabbath, all the other commandments from the ten are listed. Also, could we not consider the 4th commandment fulfilled if one does not work on Sunday and goes to Church? (Sunday being the Lord's day).

I do not currently have enough time to write about the Lord's day but the witness from the Apostolic Writings is clear that the Christians partook of the Lord's supper on the first day of the week.

Acts 20:7 "On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread, Paul began to speak to the people, and because he intended to leave the next day, he extended his message until midnight."
Hi Bogadile, nice to meet you.

Everything in the New Testament has its origin from the Old Testament scriptures. No where in the New Testament is there any commands from the Word of God that say the God's 7th Day Sabbath is no long His commandment or a requirement of God's Law. Nor is there any passage of scripture from God's Word that tells us that we must worship God on Sunday. The institution of Sunday worship is a man made tradition that has no basis in the Word of God. Substituting God's 7th day Sabbath commandment that Jesus and all the apostle kept for Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man in place of the Word of God. Jesus says it is vain to think that we are worshiping God if we are replacing His Word with man made traditions and we are not following God if we do such things.

"This people draw nigh unto me with their mouth, and honour me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt 15:8-9)

Jesus and all the apostles kept the 7th Day Sabbath and Jesus is our example and we should follow Him. If we love Jesus we must believe His Words and follow Him who loves us. Do you love Jesus Bogadile?

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Hi Grandpa,

You may need to study God's Word a little further. God's Law is clearly described in His Word. It is the 10 Commandments (Ex 20:1-22) Spoken by God himself, and written with his own finger on two tables of stone, it was the work of God himself and given to Moses to look after.

God gave His Law to us, to give us a knowledge of sin and to help us to know the wages of sin (death). You may need to do a little more study on what the Old and New Covenants are. I think this will help you to understand more of God's great plan of salvation. Everything in the New Testament come from the Old and there is so much we can learn from both.

Do you know the difference between God's Law (written on two tables of stone) and the laws of Moses (written in a book; Torah)? At some point the light bulb will come on you just need to study God's Word more and pray to God for guidance.

God bless you and guide you as you study His Words I must rest now but always happy to chat latter.

Good night all, wishing you all love, peace and joy in the holy ghost because of Him who loves us.
Hi LoveGodForever,

I've never considered all this.

Just wondering if you've ever seen this...

http://www.historicism.org/Documents/Didache.pdf

It's the Didache and the Day of the Lord.

I think you would like reading it.
 
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Hi LoveGodForever,

I've never considered all this.

Just wondering if you've ever seen this...

http://www.historicism.org/Documents/Didache.pdf

It's the Didache and the Day of the Lord.

I think you would like reading it.
Hi my good friend in the Lord!

I do not normally like to read other peoples interpretations of God's Word but I know that you are one of the faithful Bereans that love Jesus and the Word of God so I took a look at the link and found it a good and interesting read. Today as you know many people want to substitute the Word of God with man made traditions or cherry pick some parts of the Word of God and ignore the rest of the teaching of God's Word. It is only by following EVERY Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God that we have life (Matt 4:4). I am so happy because I have a friend like you and I know you believe this as well. What really encourages me is people like you that study God's Words for themselves. Many people do not realize that this is also part of the new covenant promise (Heb 8:10-12; Jer 31:33-34).

Without quoting that whole paper in your link above, God's Word clearly shows very simply in a few sentences what the Lords Day is....

"And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath." (Mark 2:27-28)

God bless you always Sister FranC
 
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For others to call the first day their Sabbath is not bothersome to me because there are many sabbaths, but the Seventh day given by our Father is a gift to us all, and cannot be changed. Therefore it is the only sabbath that can be called the Sabath of the Lord, my Sabbath also.

The order of creation is also the order ofall to come when we meditate but a little on it in relation to this age and the coming. If you read my posts you will see, what you have posted is raining on wet soil with me. God bless you always in Yeshua, amen.


The Lords day is the seventh. The day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night. And to say the Lords day is the first day of the week just because they meet on the first day is ignoring all scripture that says the Sabbath day is the seventh. Sure meet on the first day, meet on any day, this doesn't change the Sabbath day or the festivals. Just don't think God listens to you for honoring His own day made for man to have rest in. He doesn't change anything for men or even angel. He does honor His word and Son the Messiah. He only expects us to now love Him so much we now guard the Sabbath day and the Instructions to find how to live abundant life now. Isaiah 42 apply for many
 
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GOD’S LAST DAY PEOPLE
Here is the patience of the saints here are they that keep the commandments of God
and have the Faith of Jesus

There is too many bible verses to list here that describe who God’s people are throughout the complete Word of God. Therefore I am only listing versus from the book of Revelations and some versus from the New Testament. The Word of God clearly identifies who God’s last day people are from the Book of Revelations and the New Testament. No need for any interpretations as God’s Word speaks for itself although take note of Rev 12:17 and 19:12.

THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS

1. “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus” (Rev 12:17)

2. And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Rev 19:12)

3. “Blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.” (Rev 22:14)

4. “Here is the patience of the saints here are they that keep the commandments of God and have the Faith of Jesus.” (Rev 14:12)

NEW TESTAMENT

5. “And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure. “ (1John 3:3)
6. “Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.“

(1John 3:4)
7. “And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.” (1John 3:4)
8. “Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him.” (1John 3:5)
9. “Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.” (1John 3:7)
10. “He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” (1John 3:8)

11. “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” (1John 3:9)
12. “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not
righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1John 3:10)

13. “By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.” (1John 5:2)
14. “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” (1John 5:3)

15. “And this is love that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, that, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.” (2John 1:6)

16. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to
fulfil.” (Matt 5:17)
17. “For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matt 5:18)
18. “Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt 5:19)

19. “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: but I say unto you, that whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” (Matt 5:27-28)

20. “And he said unto him, Why call me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matt 19:17)

21. “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” (John 14:15)

22. “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.” (John 15:10)

23. “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.” (James 2:10)
24. “For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.” (James 2:11)
25. “So speak you, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.” (James 2:12)
26. “For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoices against judgment.” (James 2:13)
27. “What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? Can faith save him?” (James 2:14)
28. “If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,” (James 2:15)
29. “And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled,” (James 2:16)
30. “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” (James 2:17)
31. “Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2:18)

32. “You believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” (James 2:19)
33. “But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” (James 2:20)

34. “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.” (1John 2:3)
35. “He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (1John 2:4)
36. “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,” (Heb 10:26)

37. “But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Heb 10:27)
38. “In times of this ignorance God winks at; but now commands all men everywhere to repent:” (Acts 17:30)
39. "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. "(Heb 10:26)
40. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people." (Heb 8:10-12; Jer 31:31-34; Eze 36:26-27)
41. "But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." (1Pet 1:15-16)
42. "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord." (Heb 12:14)
43. "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." (Matt 5:48)

Now obviously we cannot do all of the above in our own strength as we are all sinners and before we come to Jesus this is all we can possibly do. However, it is the Law of God that is our school master the shows us that we are all sinners and in need of salvation from sin and that the wages of sin is death. The Law of God leads us to the foot of the cross where we can behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world! It is here, as we have complete dependence on the Word of God, and by Faith (believing what God says) simply cling to the promises of God, that forgiveness is claimed.

It is by continuing in the Word of God by complete dependence on the Word of God to do what it says it will do that allows Jesus to work in us so that we can follow him and by Faith Keep all of His commandments because He alone has written His Laws in our Heart (new covenant).

Now let’s look at it from the perspective of people who believe that God's Law has been being done away and no longer binding today. If there is no Law anymore there is no knowledge of sin because sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4). If there is no knowledge of sin there is no need of a Saviour. If there is no need of a Saviour there is no salvation. The person is simply lost because God's Word tells us "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law." (Rom 2:12). Hope this helps those that love God's Word and want to follow Jesus. God's Word clearly describe who His people are. They are the ones that follow Jesus and reveal His love to the World.

"Here is the patience of the saints, here are those that keep the commandment of God and the Faith of Jesus" (Rev 14:12). To Him be the Glory forever and ever Amen.

God's Sheep hear His Voice.....
 
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The Key points to the above is that God's true people identified by the Word of God will keep ALL of God's commandments through their faith in the saving power of God's Word. Therefore God's last day people will be 7th Day Sabbath keepers because this is one of the 10 commandments and identifies God's people as those that worship the God of creation and the Lord of the Sabbath Jesus

God bless you
 
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Yes, that is pretty much Judaizing.

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

If you are going to preach the Lord Jesus Christ you might as well go "all in".

Why try to blend Judaism with Christianity? Why try to blend the carnal with the spiritual? Why try to blend your "obedience" with the Lords Obedience?

Because you want to justify your work. I wish I could too. But our righteousness is dirty rags before God. Its not even close.
Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect,converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD issure, making wise the simple.
Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right,rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.

The problem I have with verses like this being quoted to tell us not to keep the law is, is that God tells us through his servant David (and many others) that the law is perfect. We either don’t understand Hebrews 7 correctly or God has changed. I know what I believe but the arguing of this matter is really not bringing any unity to the body of Christ. I will say what Gideon said: As for me and my house we will serve the Lord. I try tokeep the Sabbath but sometimes we get busy in our day to day existence, but I can see God is changing me and forming me as Potter will form the clay. Maybe it must start with me first before I can teach others.

God bless my friends
 

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Grandp will come back and say no man can keep the perfect law of God, and Grandpa is right otherwise we would have no need of the Blood of the Lamb, for only He ws perfect and that He is and was jsut for us.

This in no wise will ever take away from the call from God for us to be obedient children as best we are given to be.

We who know Jesus understand teh law is not worth anything if we do not always consider the three principals He gave us to apply, faith, mercy and justice.

The Holy Spirit shows us the way in this regard, and thus we know which laws are fulfilled by Messiah, and we know which laws are not expressing mercy, faith or justice. Jesus even pointed out some of the "bad laws." An eye for an eye. Stoning people to death, and much more.

Neither side of this debate should ever use inte.llectual endeavor as an excuse to be stupid.

God is perfect; He is always good. Therefore if those three principals provided by Jesus Christ are not enough, just remember He is always just, merciful and worthy of our faith. Oh, those are the rincipals He gave us.

God bless all. Never be a habitual sinner, always do your best to be like Jesus Christ keeping well in mind, that the work begun inyou, in me, and in all, was begun by God and will be complete BY HIM, so, behave yourself, we will all be perfecty by God on His dDay, amen......
 
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Grandp will come back and say no man can keep the perfect law of God, and Grandpa is right otherwise we would have no need of the Blood of the Lamb, for only He ws perfect and that He is and was jsut for us.

This in no wise will ever take away from the call from God for us to be obedient children as best we are given to be.

We who know Jesus understand teh law is not worth anything if we do not always consider the three principals He gave us to apply, faith, mercy and justice.

The Holy Spirit shows us the way in this regard, and thus we know which laws are fulfilled by Messiah, and we know which laws are not expressing mercy, faith or justice. Jesus even pointed out some of the "bad laws." An eye for an eye. Stoning people to death, and much more.

Neither side of this debate should ever use inte.llectual endeavor as an excuse to be stupid.

God is perfect; He is always good. Therefore if those three principals provided by Jesus Christ are not enough, just remember He is always just, merciful and worthy of our faith. Oh, those are the rincipals He gave us.

God bless all. Never be a habitual sinner, always do your best to be like Jesus Christ keeping well in mind, that the work begun inyou, in me, and in all, was begun by God and will be complete BY HIM, so, behave yourself, we will all be perfecty by God on His dDay, amen......
Hi James it is no problems we already no that no one can keep the perfect Law of God we are all sinners in need of a savior. But isn't it great that we have a savior that has the power to save us from our sins? This is the new covenant to everyone who believes :) It's not about us trying to do it this is the works of the law. Its about realizing we cannot do it and by faith letting Jesus do it in us as we have faith in his Word.

God bless you my friend
 
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It's interesting how we use some scriptures out of context to try to make the Old Testament shadows that speak of Christ that they are the real substance.

Here is a classic one. Jesus had just heard the word of the Father which said "This is My Beloved Son , in whom I am well pleased". Then the tempter comes and challenges this truth.

Matthew 4:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And the tempter came and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread."

[SUP]4 [/SUP] But He answered and said, "It is written, 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'"THAT PROCEEDS = This is in the present tense in Greek

It is always the "Now" word that is proceeding from the mouth of God that we live by.

Jesus here was referring to what the Father had said concerning Him being a Son and He didn't have to prove anything that he was a Son - but just to "believe" what the Father has said about Him.

It is important to listen to the "now" word of God.

Isaac was happy that his father - Abraham listened to the "now" word of God and didn't sacrifice him on the altar that day.


There are those today that would have continued to sacrifice Isaac because God said to do it. We live by every word that proceeds out of His mouth - this is their motto. BUT they greatly err - because they miss the "now" word of God.

The law was a shadow of the real substance which is Christ Himself. NO amount of "Sabbath Keeping" can replace Him as our true Sabbath rest.

We need to be listening to the "now" word of Christ Himself. God has in these last days spoken unto us "by His Son." Hear Him only!

Notice that it is "
after" god spoke to us in many ways - that He has in these last days spoken to now by His Son - the Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 1:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] God,
after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,

[SUP]2 [/SUP]
in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.


People are free to observe the shadows of the Old testament as they want but when a Judaizing spirit comes in to pervert the gospel by saying a Christian must observe the Sabbath day as outlined in the Old testament or they are sinning and dis-obeying God.

- run from these as they are distorting and perverting the gospel of the grace of God in Christ.

Paul said that he didn't stand for this for one hour "so that" the truth of the gospel would remain with them.

 
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Hi Bogadile, nice to meet you.

Everything in the New Testament has its origin from the Old Testament scriptures. No where in the New Testament is there any commands from the Word of God that say the God's 7th Day Sabbath is no long His commandment or a requirement of God's Law. Nor is there any passage of scripture from God's Word that tells us that we must worship God on Sunday. The institution of Sunday worship is a man made tradition that has no basis in the Word of God. Substituting God's 7th day Sabbath commandment that Jesus and all the apostle kept for Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man in place of the Word of God. Jesus says it is vain to think that we are worshiping God if we are replacing His Word with man made traditions and we are not following God if we do such things.

"This people draw nigh unto me with their mouth, and honour me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt 15:8-9)

Jesus and all the apostles kept the 7th Day Sabbath and Jesus is our example and we should follow Him. If we love Jesus we must believe His Words and follow Him who loves us. Do you love Jesus Bogadile?

God bless you
So you made a long post but did not address the verse in Acts 20:7 which proves they broke bread on the first day? (and there are many many other passages speaking of them gathering together on the first day, the Lord's day, the day of the resurrection)

My adventist sense is tingling. Mark of the beast is sunday worship you say? If you pay any attention to reality you will see that every store and every buotique is open 24hours/day these days, so we are actually moving the opposite direction of a forced sunday rest, it will never happen.
 
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So you made a long post but did not address the verse in Acts 20:7 which proves they broke bread on the first day? (and there are many many other passages speaking of them gathering together on the first day, the Lord's day, the day of the resurrection)

My adventist sense is tingling. Mark of the beast is sunday worship you say? If you pay any attention to reality you will see that every store and every buotique is open 24hours/day these days, so we are actually moving the opposite direction of a forced sunday rest, it will never happen.
Hi Bogadile,

Like I said earlier there is not one verse in the entire Bible that commands us to keep Sunday as the Sabbath. It is a man made tradition that has no basis in the Word of God. My apologies if you did not think your last post was addressed. It should be obvious to anyone reading the last post however that I was referring to Acts 20:7 when I said it is not a command of God to keep Sunday a holy day. Further all that verse is saying when it says "breaking bread" is that they had a meal together. How anyone could use that verse to say God says we should now worship Him on Sunday in place of his 4th commandment is beyond me.

God bless you
 
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It's interesting how we use some scriptures out of context to try to make the Old Testament shadows that speak of Christ that they are the real substance.
Here is a classic one. Jesus had just heard the word of the Father which said "This is My Beloved Son , in whom I am well pleased". Then the tempter comes and challenges this truth.
Matthew 4:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And the tempter came and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But He answered and said, "It is written, 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'"THAT PROCEEDS = This is in the present tense in Greek
It is always the "Now" word that is proceeding from the mouth of God that we live by.
Jesus here was referring to what the Father had said concerning Him being a Son and He didn't have to prove anything that he was a Son - but just to "believe" what the Father has said about Him.
It is important to listen to the "now" word of God. Isaac was happy that his father - Abraham listened to the "now" word of God and didn't sacrifice him on the altar that day.
There are those today that would have continued to sacrifice Isaac because God said to do it. We live by every word that proceeds out of His mouth - this is their motto. BUT they greatly err - because they miss the "now" word of God.
The law was a shadow of the real substance which is Christ Himself. NO amount of "Sabbath Keeping" can replace Him as our true Sabbath rest.
We need to be listening to the "now" word of Christ Himself. God has in these last days spoken unto us "by His Son." Hear Him only!
Notice that it is "after" god spoke to us in many ways - that He has in these last days spoken to now by His Son - the Lord Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 1:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
People are free to observe the shadows of the Old testament as they want but when a Judaizing spirit comes in to pervert the gospel by saying a Christian must observe the Sabbath day as outlined in the Old testament or they are sinning and dis-obeying God.
- run from these as they are distorting and perverting the gospel of the grace of God in Christ.

Paul said that he didn't stand for this for one hour
"so that" the truth of the gospel would remain with them.
Hi Grace777,

How are you today my friend? Everything is out of context to someone that does not know the Word of God. Some people like to cherry pick a few scriptures in the Word of God and base their whole belief around something that does not exist and that is not in context with other scriptures in the Word of God. When they are confronted with the rest of the Word it shows that their interpretation of God's Word is building on sifting sand. Do you know what that means?

Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. (Matt 4:4) Does God's Word contradict itself? Never! It is only mans interpretation of it. If you find your beliefs are in contradiction with other parts of scripture maybe you need to look at what you believe.

May God help you my friend time for me to get some rest
 

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Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect,converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD issure, making wise the simple.
Psa 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right,rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.

The problem I have with verses like this being quoted to tell us not to keep the law is, is that God tells us through his servant David (and many others) that the law is perfect. We either don’t understand Hebrews 7 correctly or God has changed. I know what I believe but the arguing of this matter is really not bringing any unity to the body of Christ. I will say what Gideon said: As for me and my house we will serve the Lord. I try tokeep the Sabbath but sometimes we get busy in our day to day existence, but I can see God is changing me and forming me as Potter will form the clay. Maybe it must start with me first before I can teach others.

God bless my friends
Like your post....and yes that is what David says in PS 51v10-13....we must start with SELF first.
 
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Hahaha! What can ya do bro. Judaizers gonna judaize. Aint none of these dudes even Jewish is what gets me the most, in another thread we have some dude saying he studied under rabbis and using the word HaShem.
When I became a christian i quit all that, stop studying under rabbis and get to digging the scriptures in prayer and maybe listen to a PASTOR not a rabbi, amen?

And I beg yet again, if you did not grow up Jewish, don't start using three hebrew words making it look like you are some messianic jew, its embarrasing...

IF you want to keep the Sabbath, good for you, God bless you. But to teach that not observing the Sabbath is the mark of the beast or that Christians are in risk of losing their salvation over what day they rest on......... come on.
If keeping the Sabbath was that important in the New Covenant it woulda been mentioned by the Apostles, especially Paul to some of the gentile churches but instead he wrote:

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
 

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So you made a long post but did not address the verse in Acts 20:7 which proves they broke bread on the first day? (and there are many many other passages speaking of them gathering together on the first day, the Lord's day, the day of the resurrection)

My adventist sense is tingling. Mark of the beast is sunday worship you say? If you pay any attention to reality you will see that every store and every buotique is open 24hours/day these days, so we are actually moving the opposite direction of a forced sunday rest, it will never happen.
Acts 20v7...sure they 'broke bread...and were eating, as in 'having a meal v11, before Paul set off on a long treck across country to board ship. Please read the whole account.They already had a long Sabbath day observance and continued talking into midnight...sure they were hungry.
 

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The Key points to the above is that God's true people identified by the Word of God will keep ALL of God's commandments through their faith in the saving power of God's Word. Therefore God's last day people will be 7th Day Sabbath keepers because this is one of the 10 commandments and identifies God's people as those that worship the God of creation and the Lord of the Sabbath Jesus

God bless you
No, they won't be working at the law in their own understanding.

They will have entered into rest by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 4:10-11
[FONT=&quot]10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Galatians 3:11-12
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[FONT=&quot]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.


The law is not of faith. So how are you going to enter Gods Rest if you are working at the law? You aren't. You are falling after the example of unbelief.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

You either work at the law in your own understanding or you have faith in Christ. You have to put one away in order to do the other.

This is what Paul, who knew the law better than anyone here, had to say.

Philippians 3:8-9
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[FONT=&quot]8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

You are claiming right standing with God by your work at the law. You basically have no understanding of the scriptures. Or someone has confused you so bad you don't know up from down.

All these scriptures are straight forward. They all reconcile with each other but you have half the bible fighting with the other half.

Romans 9:30-32
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[FONT=&quot]30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;


You can attain to Right Standing with God. But its not by your work and understanding of the law. Its by faith. And the law is not of faith.

Here's one for the road;

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

What does the law say to people who would work at it? JaumeJ knows...

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?[/FONT]
 
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Hahaha! What can ya do bro. Judaizers gonna judaize. Aint none of these dudes even Jewish is what gets me the most, in another thread we have some dude saying he studied under rabbis and using the word HaShem.
When I became a christian i quit all that, stop studying under rabbis and get to digging the scriptures in prayer and maybe listen to a PASTOR not a rabbi, amen?

And I beg yet again, if you did not grow up Jewish, don't start using three hebrew words making it look like you are some messianic jew, its embarrasing...

IF you want to keep the Sabbath, good for you, God bless you. But to teach that not observing the Sabbath is the mark of the beast or that Christians are in risk of losing their salvation over what day they rest on......... come on.
If keeping the Sabbath was that important in the New Covenant it woulda been mentioned by the Apostles, especially Paul to some of the gentile churches but instead he wrote:

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Well said...and all this whether it is Saturday or Sunday is all a smoke screen of the enemy as it is neither day. It's all days for all eternity that we worship God. Christ alone is our true life for we have died and our life in hidden with Him in God our Father.

Whenever we can get together - that is the day we assemble. To some it's a Saturday, others - it's a Sunday - for some it's a Wednesday night.

Sometimes it is a complete waste of time dealing with them directly as they can't see Christ through the veil of Moses and the reading of the Old Testament - just like Paul said in 2 C0r. 3:14-15.

But at least the viewers of the thread can be warned about those Judaziers coming in to distort the gospel.
 
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If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.

He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.

And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may [continue to] believe in the name of the Son of God.






Hold dear to the Testimony of the Messiah... it is not works but Faith. But.... the Messiah commands works of us..... confuse not the law of Moses with the Commandments of GOD... The Testimony is our New Covenant... The Old was given to bring the Messiah in to the world... void no... fulfilled yes....