The Rapture

[Ahwatukee]

The earth in Revelation is specifically Israel, whereas the sea is the other nations, ('the gentiles').


Rev 17:15 The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

So the beast from the earth is really Zionism, and the mark of the beast pertains explicitly to the land of Israel.

e.g. the mark of the beast is probably Israel worship, the Star Of David.

Morning J7,

The mark of the beast will affect the entire earth. The reference to Rev.17:15 is referring to the woman's idolatrous influence over all the inhabitants of the earth. There is nothing specific regarding Israel in that scripture. This is the time of God fulfilling that last seven years decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem, as well the pouring out of God's wrath on the entire planet.

 

[J7]

Morning Ahwatukee

The nations (ethnos) - generally translated Gentiles.

It means non-Israel

Earth = Israel, sea = nations, non-Israel.

 

[J7]

The giveaway is the phylacteries, the mark in the hand or forehead:

The mark of the Beast is something specific to Zionist Israel - i.e. most probably something to do with carrying the Star of Remphan (aka Star of David) in a Phylactery.

 

[Bogadile]

The earth in Revelation is specifically Israel, whereas the sea is the other nations, ('the gentiles').


Rev 17:15 The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

So the beast from the earth is really Zionism, and the mark of the beast pertains explicitly to the land of Israel.

e.g. the mark of the beast is probably Israel worship, the Star Of David.

What does the star of david have to do with buying and selling? This makes no sense. This is on the sunday is the mark of the beast level, think.

You just said about 400million people have/will have the mark, all of whom are Christians worldwide. This 400 million is charismatics of one sort or the other, pretty much all of whom are pro-Israel.

 

[J7]

e.g. the phylacteries might be decorated with this

 

[J7]

What does the star of david have to do with buying and selling? This makes no sense. This is on the sunday is the mark of the beast level, think.

You just said about 400million people have/will have the mark, all of whom are Christians worldwide. This 400 million is charismatics of one sort or the other, pretty much all of whom are pro-Israel.

Where did I say that?

 

[Bogadile]

Where did I say that?

Here is what you said: "So the beast from the earth is really Zionism, and the mark of the beast pertains explicitly to the land of Israel.

e.g. the mark of the beast is probably Israel worship, the Star Of David."

So what does the star of david or Israel have to do with buying or selling?

 

[Bogadile]

If you hold to premillennialism, that there will be a 1000 year literal reign on earth, I just realized a problem with the post-trib rapture view. It is the same one I asked earlier, who is there to reign over? Since all the living saints are resurrected at the same time Jesus comes back and the wicked will be destroyed.

This problem would not exist in the pre-trib view since the Church leaves before the second coming, and comes back later, and the living saints at the second coming can then populate the millennium.

Just pointing this out if someone else is also searching these things out, this is one thing to consider among many.

 

[J7]

Here is what you said: "So the beast from the earth is really Zionism, and the mark of the beast pertains explicitly to the land of Israel.

e.g. the mark of the beast is probably Israel worship, the Star Of David."

So what does the star of david or Israel have to do with buying or selling?

The Hebrew for Usury is the same as a serpent's bite. Nashak.

The God Remphan was the shrunken lifeless one, i.e. one bitten and killed by a snake.

So Remphan was the God Of Usury.

The Star OF Remphan is the Star of David.

 

[iamsoandso]

Revelation 13 Interlinear Bible here are the different words about it (4678) wisdom,(3563) understanding,(5585) calculate.

and it is the number of "A" man and it is like 666 so he points out something about it "wisdom is" that no one one other than the one who has it will have the "knowledge of it"(something used to buy and sell with that no one else knows but you) and that you would be the one who calculates it(you pebble it/cast a white stone of approval. So it isn’t forced on anyone but chosen,accepted instead. But 99 percent of the world already has a pin number that is equal to their name,and chose the pin number that is equal to their name and slides it through the pin pad every day and then puts the card into their left hand and enters the number that only they have knowledge of on the key pad and hits enter. Well I don’t,I still go to the bank and withdraw money the old way because the new stuff spooks me,today though I'm quickly getting squeezed out of the cash only stuff.

 

[KJV1611]

If you guys would count the number of his name, you would know (if you believe your bible) exactly who the beast is.

 

[Huckleberry]

Which is why I'm pre-trib.

Then you're not sticking to what the Bible says,
you're sticking to what you were taught the Bible says.

 

[PlainWord]

You watch how fast they build that Temple when the Archeologists get their hearing, and show their evidence for the real Temple Mount being in the City of David.

It is clear that God will not allow another man-made temple:

Julian the Apostate, was Roman Emperor from 361 to 363, as well as a notable philosopher and author in Greek.

Julian was a man of unusually complex character: he was “the military commander, the theosophist, the social reformer, and the man of letters”. He was the last non-Christian ruler of the Roman Empire, and it was his desire to bring the Empire back to its ancient Roman values in order to save it from dissolution. He purged the top-heavy state bureaucracy and attempted to revive traditional Roman religious practices at the cost of Christianity. His rejection of Christianity in favour of Neoplatonic paganism caused him to be called Julian the Apostate (Ἀποστάτης Apostates, “a person who has abandoned their religion, principles”) by the church. He was the last emperor of the Constantinian dynasty, the empire’s first Christian dynasty.

Attempt to rebuild the Jewish Temple:

In 363, not long before Julian left Antioch to launch his campaign against Persia, in keeping with his effort to foster religions other than Christianity, he ordered the Temple rebuilt. A personal friend of his, Ammianus Marcellinus, wrote this about the effort:

Julian thought to rebuild at an extravagant expense the proud Temple once at Jerusalem, and committed this task to Alypius of Antioch. Alypius set vigorously to work, and was seconded by the governor of the province; when fearful balls of fire, breaking out near the foundations, continued their attacks, till the workmen, after repeated scorchings, could approach no more: and he gave up the attempt.

You see, God doesn't want it rebuilt and if He doesn't want it rebuilt, it ain't getting rebuilt!! God isn't going to give into their desire to re institute the Law. They are going to have to surrender to Christ. You are just going to have to revise your end times views of a future temple and antichrist and go with the one we already had that did everything that was attributed to him.

 

[Huckleberry]

If you guys would count the number of his name,
you would know (if you believe your bible) exactly who the beast is.

I'm a little obtuse and probably can't count that high.
Would you enlighten me please?

 

[PlainWord]

If you hold to premillennialism, that there will be a 1000 year literal reign on earth, I just realized a problem with the post-trib rapture view. It is the same one I asked earlier, who is there to reign over? Since all the living saints are resurrected at the same time Jesus comes back and the wicked will be destroyed.

This problem would not exist in the pre-trib view since the Church leaves before the second coming, and comes back later, and the living saints at the second coming can then populate the millennium.

Just pointing this out if someone else is also searching these things out, this is one thing to consider among many.

Then there is my view which solves all of these problems and harmonizes all scripture.

 

[KJV1611]

I'm a little obtuse and probably can't count that high.
Would you enlighten me please?

There is only ONE way to count a number.
666 = 0 hundreds + 0 tens + 666 ones
666 = 0 hundreds + 66 tens + 6 ones
666 = 6 hundreds + 6 tens + 6 ones

None of those number have any biblical significance as far as I can tell except 66 tens and 6 ones. The number 66 represents the word of God and the Word of God. 6 represents the NUMBER OF A MAN.

66 + 6 either means man adding to the 66 books of the bible or man adding to Jesus.

 

[heartofdavid]

The mark itself does not necessarily have to scan able or a chip.

People could still use cards,cash etc,but WITHOUT THE MARK/TATTOO,nobody will trade with them.

The AC receives worship/ allegiance,meaning those without the mark are turned in,probably for some nice reward.

There will be no Christians walking about. All will be arrested.

It,the mark,will be easily seen,and no child of God will allow it on their head or hand.

It is probably just some catchy satanic tattoo.

 

[PlainWord]

I'm a little obtuse and probably can't count that high.
Would you enlighten me please?

Hint: The Beast is not an animal

Titus 1:

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, [SUP]11 [/SUP]whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain. [SUP]12 [/SUP]One of them, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” [SUP]13 [/SUP]This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, [SUP]14 [/SUP]not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men who turn from the truth. [SUP]15 [/SUP]To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled. [SUP]16 [/SUP]They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

2 Pet 2:

[SUP]12 [/SUP]But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption, [SUP]13 [/SUP]and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, [SUP]14 [/SUP]having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children. [SUP]15 [/SUP]They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness...

Jude:

[SUP]10 [/SUP]But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. [SUP]12 [/SUP]These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves.

Gosh, who were Paul, Peter and Jude referring to in the above passages? What people did they know about in their days who fit the above descriptions and were utterly punished and destroyed in the first century? So, if these 3 disciples used the word "beast(s)" to describe evil men in their day, what are the chances that John used the same figurative language in Revelation?

 

[heartofdavid]

There is only ONE way to count a number.
666 = 0 hundreds + 0 tens + 666 ones
666 = 0 hundreds + 66 tens + 6 ones
666 = 6 hundreds + 6 tens + 6 ones

None of those number have any biblical significance as far as I can tell except 66 tens and 6 ones. The number 66 represents the word of God and the Word of God. 6 represents the NUMBER OF A MAN.

66 + 6 either means man adding to the 66 books of the bible or man adding to Jesus.

Ironically,the KJV refutes that deal.

Specifically says it is SIX HUNDRED,sixty,and six.

 

[iamsoandso]

The number 8 in the bible is the number for new beginnings, you can rest assured that Rev. 8 is about changing from the earthly kingdom of God to the spiritual kingdom of God.... no matter how cryptic it may sound, that chapter is the end of the old and the beginning of the new.

The number 9 in the bible represents fruit bearing... Jerusalem is bearing her fruit in chapter 9.

The number 10 in the bible represents dominion... Jesus set his feet (10 toes (dominion))upon the sea and the earth. The kingdom of heaven on earth HAS the dominion at this point... earthly Jerusalem is out ofthe picture FOREVER.

I'm saying all of this to help you. When you read those chapters, keep in mind that that's what those number represent and that will help you find the truth about those chapters.

So if the bible did not originally have verse and chapter divisions in them and were added and you say they mean something means you have the mark and wilfully took it?