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trofimus

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100,000 a day?

When was the persecution this severe?
Yeah, it must be some typo.

The Roman Empire had about 60 millions of inhabitants in its most successful days.

If they would kill 100,000 a day, all the Roman population would be eliminated in 2 years.
 

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No one has the time or the inclination to trawl through millions and millions of
images. Surveillance is only looked at out of necessity.

For example a crime is reported, they look to see if any surveillance cameras caught it.
No one just sits and looks at everything ever recorded all day long.

Internet access kept for just a year in case its needed for investigations.

No different to other modern countries.

So it's still not big brother watching over you.

Only criminals need be concerned.

Plus many recording devices are duds any way, here is an example.



https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2017/05/09/council-bosses-accused-of-speed-cam-scam/


There are all sorts of regulations to meet as well when installing security cameras,
so it's not like the government can just do as they please.

Guildford Borough Council illegally installed CCTV cameras to spy on tenants says investigation - Get Surrey

Plus the data protection act sets out how data can be used and regulates that data. So it's
still not big brother. You can actually sue the government if they get it wrong. :)
 

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"so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name."
[how exactly is a technological device making transactions the name of the beast or the number of its name?]
Hello Trophimus,

First of all, not to toot my own horn or anything, but I am not reading Revelation improperly, as I have been camped out in it for over 40 years. I have searched the book right side up, inside out, sideways and backwards and I continue to camp out in it. And God continues to reveal the hidden, deeper things to me within this book.

That said, your good question is a good one and I have a good answer. Currently, the debit and credit cards, cell phone bank apps, etc., that people swipe to make their purchases all have multiple codes in that magnetic stripe, country codes, bank codes, county codes, etc. My belief is that, this coming man of lawlessness, aka the antichrist aka the beast, will have the number of his name within the code of each and every believers mark. So, whatever his name is, it will be apart of the code within each individual mark.
 
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trofimus

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No one has the time or the inclination to trawl through millions and millions of
images. Surveillance is only looked at out of necessity.

For example a crime is reported, they look to see if any surveillance cameras caught it.
No one just sits and looks at everything ever recorded all day long.

Internet access kept for just a year in case its needed for investigations.

No different to other modern countries.

So it's still not big brother watching over you.

Only criminals need be concerned.

Plus many recording devices are duds any way, here is an example.



https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2017/05/09/council-bosses-accused-of-speed-cam-scam/


There are all sorts of regulations to meet as well when installing security cameras,
so it's not like the government can just do as they please.

Guildford Borough Council illegally installed CCTV cameras to spy on tenants says investigation - Get Surrey

Plus the data protection act sets out how data can be used and regulates that data. So it's
still not big brother. You can actually sue the government if they get it wrong. :)
I agree that not everybody is watched in real time. The harm of mass surveillance is another one - that you have no privacy.

Everything you do and wherever you go, its all monitored and stored. And when they will see you discussing for example homosexuality on the internet or in your email, SMS, phone calls etc, they will just search in all their material "who is this woman". And they will get everything.

And do not expect it will never be misused or that it is only against criminals. Every dictatorship begins with such sayings...
Also, if you read my articles, you know they were doing it also illegally for 17 years. Its naive to think that its going to get better.

Also, what is not a crime today, can be crime tomorrow... for example your opinion on sins of this world. Freedom of speech is smaller and smaller every day.

Also, you are actually watched "for life" because of events you would never guess.. for example googling "privacy" or "linux" will get you on the watch list.

I know that probably any developed country is collecting some information about its citizens,but some countries are the extreme ones and the UK is the worst.
 
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trofimus

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You can google for example "five eyes", but beware, it w ill probably make you watched, because you are behaving like a concerned citizen and such citizens are suspicious for every government.
 
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This is exactly one of the main problems as to why people misinterpret the book of Revelation. I call this symbolitis!
With all due respect whose main problem?

Scripture calls it interpreting parables necessary to reveal the unseen spiritual meaning as a faith principle.The author saw a picture a vision used in parable.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.Rev 1:1 -2

Signified sign language signs point to the unseen spiritual

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,Rev 20:2


4591 semaino {say-mah'-ee-no}
from sema (a mark), of uncertain derivation); TDNT - 7:262,1015; v
AV - signify 6; 6
1) to give a sign, to signify, indicate 2) to make known

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded(signfied) for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark (signfied) upon their foreheads,(signfied) or in their hands(signfied); and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years(signfied)


There is no reason to approach the book of Revelation as being symbolic. It should be read in the literal sense until symbolism is obvious. If the literal sense makes perfect sense, then don't seek any other sense.

There is no such prescription it would seem you are turning things upside down we walk by faith according to it prescription. The idea that if the literal sense makes sense, then don't seek any other sense would simply make the parable without effect And we would have no way to understand the historical true parables .

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The prescription is without parables that are used to ‘signify’ as a sign, (signs or shadows point to the unseen faith principle) Christ spoke not, therefore hiding, by faith the spiritual meaning from those who do not walk by faith. Not mixing faith the unseen which comes from hearing God found in what they read or hear.

Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Mark on head = thinking as the beast wants.
Mark on the head ..Parable to signify the beast wants something?

They shewed his signs among them, and wonders in the land of Ham. He sent darkness, and made it dark; and they rebelled not against his word Psa 105:27

They were given the spiritual meaning and therfore did not rebell like thoses who refused to look for it

It supports your interpretation as it seems you are not interested in looking at the spiritual meaning There is no prescription that would represent your theory that we walk by sight. That can be easily seen in the parable found in Revelation 20.

key (not literal) bottomless pit (not literal) and a great chain (not literal) in his hand.( not literal”, the dragon, that old serpent, (not literal), thousand years (not literal),

Num 12:8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?


My mouth shall speak of wisdom; and the meditation of my heart shall be of understanding. I will incline mine ear to a parable: I will open my dark saying upon the harp.Psa 49:3

Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us. We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath donePsa 78:3

This technology of people from Sweden and her sister countries and now beginning here in the US, is the evolution of what will become the literal mark in the right hand or forehead as a means of electronically crediting and debiting (buying and selling) of an individuals bank account
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Again the buying and selling is not in respect to the temporal, that seen. But is in respect to the hidden truth of the eternal gospel, not the goods of this world as if we did walk by sight. And men put sanctions on them trying to starve Christians to death or refuse them doctors care .


2Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
 

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Do you think I should get rid of my Chippendale furniture?




 

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You can google for example "five eyes", but beware, it w ill probably make you watched, because you are behaving like a concerned citizen and such citizens are suspicious for every government.
I googled "four eyes", but just ended up with a load of links to glasses and spectacles..

:p
 
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I am reminded of a friend of mine posting something along these lines of facebook.

Bin Ladan
USA
Islam
Bomb

(etc etc)

Now I am probably on CIA's watchlist
 
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There is a point that all who believe the mark will be a chip read by computers should consider.
During the time of the Man of Sin, the world is going to be in complete chaos.
Power grids will be down (great earthquakes and wars). Satellite communications will be interrupted by atmospheric conditions.
Most electrical devices will not work.

Just something to consider.
 
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There is a point that all who believe the mark will be a chip read by computers should consider.
During the time of the Man of Sin, the world is going to be in complete chaos.
Power grids will be down (great earthquakes and wars). Satellite communications will be interrupted by atmospheric conditions.
Most electrical devices will not work.

Just something to consider.
I think that will be in the second half...
 
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The second half of what?
Daniel clearly teach the the Man of Sin has 1290 days.
The man of sin 1290 days is 3 1/2 years out of 7 year tribulation period. The second half...The man of sin shows himself for who he is, sets himself up to be worshiped as god does the desecration which causes desolation and all hell breaks loose...The wrath part of the tribulation period. Keep reading in Daniel. Read it all before you argue. OK?
 
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The man of sin 1290 days is 3 1/2 years out of 7 year tribulation period. The second half...The man of sin shows himself for who he is, sets himself up to be worshiped as god does the desecration which causes desolation and all hell breaks loose...The wrath part of the tribulation period. Keep reading in Daniel. Read it all before you argue. OK?
Not arguing, just stating what the Scripture states.
I have studied (not just read) Daniel for 1000's of hours.
There is a difference between tribulation and wrath.
God's wrath is not poured out until after the seventh trump. Rev. 16
 
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Not arguing, just stating what the Scripture states.
I have studied (not just read) Daniel for 1000's of hours.
There is a difference between tribulation and wrath.
God's wrath is not poured out until after the seventh trump. Rev. 16
Ok If you want to pick nits....The second half of the seven years is called The Great Tribulation. Where the wrath of God is enjoyed by all.
 
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it really doesn't matter to much, we will go where He already knows,
because He knows us all, 'inside and out', but allows us to go to a certain extent,
where we 'will', until He steps-in, and changes our hearts/Spirits of those whom He is 'calling-out'...
 
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Hey Persuaded....When do you think those trumps will be blown? The second half of the trib. When else?
 
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Ok If you want to pick nits....The second half of the seven years is called The Great Tribulation. Where the wrath of God is enjoyed by all.
Well my Bible states the the wrath of God is announced from Heaven and poured out after the seventh trump sounds.
Before that, is tribulation.
Just because ungodly men, those who follow and worship the Man of Sin call it God's wrath does not make it so.
But wrath is coming after "great tribulation such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever will be"
Matthew 24:21.
Notice that Jesus called it great tribulation, not the wrath of God.
I will take Jesus' word for it.