Should women be silent in church and wear head coverings?

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Should women be silent in church and wear head coverings?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 22.6%
  • No

    Votes: 19 61.3%
  • If they have long hair, they can skip the head covering.

    Votes: 5 16.1%

  • Total voters
    31

1ofthem

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Great post sweetie, indeed Adam pretty much did a (cop out) rather than owning up to it, as well as Eve did so as well, she blamed the serpent while Adam blamed eve, both were guilty.
Yeah, they each had an excuse going on. Didn't sound like either wanted to own up to their own part in the sin.
 
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BeyondET

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he hid because he was naked

and he was honest in how he got the fruit
It may well be of truth but not of honesty

honesty is owning up to it, Adam didn't listen to God when God said don't eat from that tree.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Great post sweetie, indeed Adam pretty much did a (cop out) rather than owning up to it, as well as Eve did so as well, she blamed the surpent while Adam blamed eve, both were guilty.
both guilty true

but i disagree it was a cop out

the other option was lying

i also dont think eve did a cop out
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she was also honest


and she was the only one who was decieved

id say what adam did being KNOWINGLY against God

may have been worse

even so


1 Timothy 2:14

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression
 
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NoNameMcgee

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It may well be of truth but not of honesty

honesty is owning up to it, Adam didn't listen to God when Hid said don't eat from that tree.
your assumption


you may be right

may be wrong

(my original take on it when i first read it was like yours...
now i see it CAN be a few ways... i make no assumption but dont claim to know)
 
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Magenta

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It is a shame if you hate or are so jealous of men in general that you would slander your own father.
I do not hate men nor am I jealous of them, nor am I slandering my own father. I am not sure what has led you to say such things to me, though we DO know who the father of all lies is, and it seems he has led you to say these things. I pray you get right with Jesus.
 
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BeyondET

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both guilty true

but i disagree it was a cop out

the other option was lying

i also dont think eve did a cop out
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she was also honest


and she was the only one who was decieved

id say what adam did being KNOWINGLY against God

may have been worse

even so


1 Timothy 2:14

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression
It's called the blame game, neither one of them were willing to admit the didn't listen to God's word, and say Yes Father I didn't listen,

regardless if Eve wanted Adam to eat the friut, it was Adam's choice to obey God or to disobey God, Adam chose the latter.

Correct, Adam wasn't directly tempted by the serpent, he never heard the words of the serpent or was tempted by the serpent, it's a profound difference.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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It's called the blame game, neither one of them were willing to admit the didn't listen to God's word, and say Yes Father I didn't listen,

regardless if Eve wanted Adam to eat the friut, it was Adam's choice to obey God or to disobey God, Adam chose the latter.

Correct, Adam wasn't directly tempted by the serpent, he never heard the words of the serpent or was tempted by the serpent, it's a profound difference.
i see you want your understanding to be correct

seeing as how i dont have a belief if he WAS

or WAS not playing some blame game


ill resign

God bless
 
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My husband and I watched about 20 mins of a documentary last night.We started late so I hope to finish it today. I forget the exact name but it was about Islam in Pakistan. They were interviewing a pre-teen girl,about 11 I'd say. She was pointing to a school and saying she had leapt off the back wall and run away leaving her burka behind. Why had she run? Because she was beaten for not keeping herself covered. As the film continues you see no women on the street,all men. When finally do see women all you see is a wall of black,covered from head to toe,no faces seen. Is this what God wants? Is this what God demands of women? Oppression,beatings,no freedom? I get upset when people try to preach a Gospel that binds people,particularly women,and takes away their freedom.

We have someone here that has said more women will be in hell. And also believes its ok to abuse a woman. The Bible tells husbands to treat their wives with consideration and honor,lest their prayers will not be heard. In Matthew Jesus says that we are not to lord authority over each other. When I read some of the things Ive read here I ask where is the difference in some of these views from Islam?

Ive seen in this thread and another all about how women are responsible for dressing modestly. Im about to tell a story here and try not to be vulgar in making my point. My parents,husband and I recently went to a concert at a local church.The person that is the owner of the group I know very well and its a popular southern group. I know without a doubt that the group owner is a Bible believing Christian,Ive known him for years. My husband didn't know him.So I was so happy to see my friend after all this time.

Skipping forward,the men in the group are all married. They walked onstage and did a wonderful job.And I was happy to see my friend and got a chance to talk after service. When we were driving home I eagerly asked my husband if he'd enjoyed the concert and could tell right away he hadn't. He said "didnt you notice the youngest guy?" I admitted I hadn't. He said "how could you not?!" When I asked him to explain he said that the young man had been wearing "skinny" pants. And my husband asked if the young man was possibly gay. I talked to my mother the next day,who had been sitting in the front row. I asked her if she had noticed and she said that everything was so visible she didn't know which way to look. It was very noticeable to her.

People here know I traveled a lot in ministry. And I noticed lately a lot of young Christian men wearing pants as tight as they can wear them and shirts to match. I hear very little complaining about this and I wonder why? If men think that women are not visual at all,they need to dip in to some conversations Ive heard women have. Why is there nothing in this thread about how males dress and conduct themselves? I wonder,and I worry when I see the attitude toward women by some here.We are not Islamic,there is freedom in Christ,yet we all should dress modestly.

I get the feeling by some here that woman are naturally bad. Its just in their nature to try and lead men astray. They are naughty and need to be hit when they "disobey" and should cover themselves so as not to tempt men. I disagree wholeheartedly with feminism.Some here don't,but I do. That being said I also disagree with the attitude that women,like in Islam,that women cannot control their feelings,their sexuality,their thoughts and men must be daddy and discipline them. This is a ridiculous notion and not what the Bible teaches about women. If this is your belief they have a religion for you,Islam,you'll love their women,go find one of them. They're use to looking like,and being treated like garbage. My 10 cents for what its worth.



Kayla
Have you noticed that fashion trends for younger generation men tend to make them more effeminate? Skinny jeans that are rolled up at the ankles untucked shirts[looks like blouse or dress] little suede shoes and suede chukka boots, faded haircuts, big beards, handlebar mustaches, piercings and trendy spectacles/glasses and even little caps........the younger generation male pastor looks like a gay boy ad for ambercrombie and fitch or Calvin Klein....

I hear all the time......I have to dress this way to be relevant and popular with those I am trying to reach....

funny thing about relevance and popularity....Jesus and his "squad" never had to be relevant and for sure, were not ever popular....
 
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BeyondET

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i see you want your understanding to be correct

seeing as how i dont have a belief if he WAS

or WAS not playing some blame game


ill resign

God bless
Very well then, if that's how you think of what I've said, nothing further to discuss, good day.
 
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kaylagrl

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Kayla
Have you noticed that fashion trends for younger generation men tend to make them more effeminate? Skinny jeans that are rolled up at the ankles untucked shirts[looks like blouse or dress] little suede shoes and suede chukka boots, faded haircuts, big beards, handlebar mustaches, piercings and trendy spectacles/glasses and even little caps........the younger generation male pastor looks like a gay boy ad for ambercrombie and fitch or Calvin Klein....

I hear all the time......I have to dress this way to be relevant and popular with those I am trying to reach....

funny thing about relevance and popularity....Jesus and his "squad" never had to be relevant and for sure, were not ever popular....
Yes,I have noticed,I think men notice it more possibly. I cannot understand why a man that isn't gay would wear these things,especially the tight pants that are obviously meant to advertise to other gay men.Yet I see young married men wearing them and it looks ridiculous. It looks like they are wearing their little brother clothes. It looks far from masculine. And if my husband,which he definitely wouldn't,came home with skinny pants that would be a trip back to the store. It kind of a joke between us as he's tall and broad and would look hysterical in the "new style".
 

Magenta

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It's called the blame game, neither one of them were willing to admit the didn't listen to God's word, and say Yes Father I didn't listen,

regardless if Eve wanted Adam to eat the friut, it was Adam's choice to obey God or to disobey God, Adam chose the latter.

Correct, Adam wasn't directly tempted by the serpent, he never heard the words of the serpent or was tempted by the serpent, it's a profound difference.
An interesting detail to take note of here is that the commandment was not given to Eve directly but to Adam, for Eve was not yet made when God instituted that stipulation in relation to the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Another is the fact that we do not know why Eve added to it by saying they must not touch the tree, as well as not eating of it. Men may of course say Eve added that all by herself, when it is just as possible that Adam added that when he told Eve. We simply are not told.
 
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Yes,I have noticed,I think men notice it more possibly. I cannot understand why a man that isn't gay would wear these things,especially the tight pants that are obviously meant to advertise to other gay men.Yet I see young married men wearing them and it looks ridiculous. It looks like they are wearing their little brother clothes. It looks far from masculine. And if my husband,which he definitely wouldn't,came home with skinny pants that would be a trip back to the store. It kind of a joke between us as he's tall and broad and would look hysterical in the "new style".
LOL! Yeah my wife would do the same thing....

You watch Hillsong, Bethel, and all of them, they have this trendy christian thang going on....the women look whorish and the men look gay...but there are not really seductive spirits in the world...
 
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NoNameMcgee

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An interesting detail to take note of here is that the commandment was not given to Eve directly but to Adam, for Eve was not yet made when God instituted that stipulation in relation to the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Another is the fact that we do not know why Eve added to it by saying they must not touch the tree, as well as not eating of it. Men may of course say Eve added that all by herself, when it is just as possible that Adam added that when he told Eve. We simply are not told.
ive always wondered that

like maybe she went to grab it

and he was like
"DONT TOUCH THAT"

and simply explained not to eat it


and neither lied

but eve just assumed maybe because Adam told her not to even touch it


lol me and my brother argued about this very topic for weeks when i FIRST read Genisis


i also assumed adam threw eve under the bus too

thought it was very cowardly
 
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An interesting detail to take note of here is that the commandment was not given to Eve directly but to Adam, for Eve was not yet made when God instituted that stipulation in relation to the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Another is the fact that we do not know why Eve added to it by saying they must not touch the tree, as well as not eating of it. Men may of course say Eve added that all by herself, when it is just as possible that Adam added that when he told Eve. We simply are not told.
John Bevere came up with a very good possibility for this and called it communicated knowledge in his Book Good or God...John and Lisa Bevere are one of the very few we read or listen to anymore...
 
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as soon as Eve entered into dialogue with the serpent, she seems to have been
brought under his power/spell, and therefore she started embellishing, and they
were both were drawn-away by their own LUST - just one more way of looking at it...
even though they both 'walked/talked' with God, obviously they both had
the same human 'traits' as we do today...

there's an 'old Jewish saying, we are all like Adam and Eve'.
 

Magenta

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John Bevere came up with a very good possibility for this and called it communicated knowledge in his Book Good or God...John and Lisa Bevere are one of the very few we read or listen to anymore...
I have not heard their teachings before... but it is something that became a well known practice within Judaism, which contributed greatly to the terrible letter of the law they had to follow, such as not even picking up a mat on Sabbath because that was considered work. I have heard the idea is called "putting a hedge around." It is meant to protect but just goes to ridiculous extremes as we can easily see, and the result is a legalism that Jesus spoke against often to those that promoted such things, those people being largely the scribes and Pharisees.
 
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kaylagrl

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LOL! Yeah my wife would do the same thing....

You watch Hillsong, Bethel, and all of them, they have this trendy christian thang going on....the women look whorish and the men look gay...but there are not really seductive spirits in the world...


​I particularly dislike the floppy hairstyle,shaved on both sides. A few years ago men were wearing shoes that were long and pointed at the toe. I dont know if you remember it. I joked with my husband that I was going to buy him a pair. He wears size 14, I might just as well buy him canoes.rofl You can dress with style without dressing IN the style. Not that I care much for style or name brands. Im often asked where I get my clothes and I just smile and keep the secret and let them think it cost big dollars when its from Wal-mart.lol lol
 
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PHart

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Romans 5:7-8

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.




he must have really loved her
Yes, I agree, he must have really loved her.
Next to Christ and the church, the story of Adam and Eve is the greatest love story ever told.
 
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PHart

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there's an 'old Jewish saying, we are all like Adam and Eve'.
Well, I can't argue with that.
If the most beautiful woman in the world with no clothes on was offering me a piece of desirable fruit I'd prolly cave in too.
 
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TemporaryCircumstances

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Well, I can't argue with that.
If the most beautiful woman in the world with no clothes on was offering me a piece of desirable fruit I'd prolly cave in too.

Even if God had commanded you not to eat this fruit?