Not By Works

[Grace777x70]

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Amen...religion in all it's forms is a very poor substitute for knowing the Lord Jesus Christ and the Father for who they truly are.

Jesus is perfect theology. Jesus came to reveal the Father to us. Jesus said "No one knows the Father but the Son." Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of the Father and He came to do the will of the Father. Heb. 1:1-2

If we ever want to find out what God is "really" like - look to Jesus while He was in this earth. We see His will in action in the life of Jesus.

How did He deal with those that knew they were in need of a Savior? How did He deal with the self-righteous people who counted on their own good works for salvation?

How did He chastise His disciples?

Every so-called theological question about the nature of God Himself can be answered by the Holy Spirit revealing Jesus who came to show us the Father.

 

[JIMBO43]

Yes Christ alone saves, and you preach a false gospel in denying it. That is a fact.



The above is absurd, false and ridiculous. It goes along with Gospel denying thought.

you are missing the point that you will judged on redemption by your deeds and Not the deeds of Jesus.. not a false gospel and not denying..

Moses was given the spirit more powerful than any other ever and he still fell short.. why is that ?

 

[JIMBO43]

Amen...religion in all it's forms is a very poor substitute for knowing the Lord Jesus Christ and the Father for who they truly are.

Jesus is perfect theology. Jesus came to reveal the Father to us. Jesus said "No one knows the Father but the Son." Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of the Father and He came to do the will of the Father. Heb. 1:1-2

If we ever want to find out what God is "really" like - look to Jesus while He was in this earth. We see His will in action in the life of Jesus.

How did He deal with those that knew they were in need of a Savior? How did He deal with the self-righteous people who counted on their own good works for salvation?

How did He chastise His disciples?

Every so-called theological question about the nature of God Himself can be answered by the Holy Spirit revealing Jesus who came to show us the Father.

i suppose he cast them all into hell from the sound of your quote here... nope he told them to obey and left that thought with them.. so if it was christ alone who saves you why would he need to command us to obey.. ?

 

[JIMBO43]

Jesus christ warns also that whilst he is a way meaning whilst he is not there in person to the effect that you can see him... many people will miss behave and sin..

So why is Jesus even bothering to warn us to behave if he going to save us anyway ?

Totaly back to front to suggest that your ok to miss behave coz Jesus is going to save you from this anyway dont ya think ?

 

[royalscot]

johna was never going to die in that fish he was there coz he disobeyed God.. God knew it wouldnt be long befor jonna cried out to the lord.. however God maybe did need to hear jonah plea of sincerity for forgivness. but i ask the question who wouldnt ask for this after being eaten by a huge whale..

It was of cause diffrent for jonha,,, he knew God he talked to God so why would he disobey God ? in my oppinion he became scared of his task that was layed out in from of him to go and ask a nation to repent where a nation of people to be wary off..

Its the same story for moses as i just posted up above,,, they where both chosen for huge tasks that we all need help with not to carry this burden alone... Instead of running away jonha should have done what moses did and that was to seek help from the lord to finish his task..

Or should it be down to the lord to automnatically help you ? i think in jonahs case it was coz God chose to automatically help Jonah by getting him eaten by a whale..

It was then God spoke t him and restored his faith...

So it is with a unanimous verdict that faith can be abandoned for fear of being scared which can be retsored without asking God or asking God..

moses never entered the promised land.

so knowing ,only part of a story only shows , blindness

 

[preacher4truth]

you are missing the point that you will judged on redemption by your deeds and Not the deeds of Jesus.. not a false gospel and not denying..

I'm missing nothing, you're missing everything and are deceived.

You're gospel is false. In fact, it is so false that you spend much more time glorying in yourself, your alleged goodness, works, abilities than in Christ. Why? Because you are your own gospel.

All my sins are under the blood and any deeds done in the body that will be judged have nothing to do with justification or eternal salvation as all is forgiven in Christ and in His work on the cross and Gospel. Frankly, you're a false teacher and preach a false gospel and are thoroughly deceived. There are no orthodox churches or true church's that preach your false message. Any group preaching your message is a false, apostate group.

 

[JIMBO43]

moses never entered the promised land.

so knowing ,only part of a story only shows , blindness

Yup just another false accuser show me where i said moses entered the promised land i said it was moses responceability to lead them there.. i know he didnt make it..,,, besisde he did enter the real promised land...
Matthew 17:3New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

 

[JIMBO43]

I'm missing nothing, you're missing everything and are deceived.

You're gospel is false. In fact, it is so false that you spend much more time glorying in yourself, your alleged goodness, works, abilities than in Christ. Why? Because you are your own gospel.

All my sins are under the blood and any deeds done in the body that will be judged have nothing to do with justification or eternal salvation as all is forgiven in Christ and in His work on the cross and Gospel. Frankly, you're a false teacher and preach a false gospel and are thoroughly deceived. There are no orthodox churches or true church's that preach your false message. Any group preaching your message is a false, apostate group.

its ok brother your afflicted with pride of being proven wrong you will come round one day..

 

[royalscot]

Intrestingly enough the 70 people started speaking in tongues when the spirit ascended upon them... all seventy men started to speak like prophets.. 2 of the seventy leaders had stayed in the camp and not gone to the camp ..... there in the camp the spirit came upon them and they two started speaking like prophets...

conclusion if youve been chosen for the lords works whether you want it or not you will recieve more spirit to enable you to do them works...


conclusion works are from the father bad works are from being scared and satan ....

The truth is we are not always responcible enough to carry out Good works.. Does this make us fall out of favor with God ?

Does this make us unsaved for ever for not carrying on in our duties set out by God ?..

when we look at jonha and moses The answer is no we just need to have our faith restored.

So is being scared a sin or something the enemy can get a hold of.. i PERSONALY THINK BEING SCARED is a human emotion that can encourage sin.. So being brave is where we all must lend a hand

the law was who s guardian .

without context , you will never enter the spiritual , sin needs a law, and context to what is cutting you off from the spiritual.

jewish converts, started speaking in tongues, to what was the start, to a christian belief system.


24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith


25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faithGalatians 3

 

[preacher4truth]

its ok your afflicted with pride of being proven wrong you will come round one day..

You've done nothing of the sort.

Believing the Gospel I lean on Christ alone, and in nothing I've done. You lean on yourself, and I'm full of pride? Wow!

You're that deceived and this is saddening. The fact is you don't believe the Gospel, nor in the sufficiency of Christ, but in yourself - you are your gospel.

 

[Ariel82]

Glad you enjoyed some of my posts aerial Ok so from moses and jonah we can see that theese two had two of the biggest works ever layed upon a man to do..

Moses had to lead a nation to a promised land and train them for 40 years..

Jonah had to tell a nation of bad people to repent..

Both where given spirit big enough and faith strong enough to perform the task... only what happened ?

Both abandoned there faith for being fed up or scared..

Moses pleaded with God to kill him coz he couldnt cope with task.. was his faith enough here baring in mind he had recieved spirit strong enough to deal with it ?


Jonah same thing but diffrent emotions caused him to flee being scared...was his faith enough here ..


Moses spirit that was given to moses was so strong it could be devided bewtween 70 men.. but yet he fell short by asking God to kill him..

So was there faith eneough and does faith alone save ?

or did they both need something else besides there faith ?

God gave Moses the power of His Holy spirit.

He didn't divide Moses spirit but gave His Holy spirit power to His prophet's and ambassadors to this lost world. He gives His children similar Holy spirit power today.

Jonah didn't go to Niniveh because He hated them and wanted God to destroy them. He wasn't scared,he was angry, you see this when he got mad at God for forgiving them.

Had a few minutes and though I would check on the thread.

I enjoy most of your post. The only ones I really dislike are when you let folks get to you and you react in anger. Some of your posts I strongly disagree with, but you probably disagree with some of my posts to.

What is important is that we both pray and allow God to reveal His truth to us.

 

[posthuman]

if you want to side with the enemies ideas and solutions thats upto you.

all i will say is you will believe lies and you will not Grow.. unless you repent of this.

if you want to imagine someone is calling you a terrorist, that's fine i guess. but the gospel isn't the enemies ideas or lies.

what's the gospel, Jimbo?

isn't it that man, having no lack of law or religion, remained in desperate need of a Saviour who could purge sin from the heart outward rather than from the skin inward, and that he received One, namely, Jesus Christ?

that's the connection i make here:



behold! God has done a perfect work on the cross! and it is He who makes the crooked paths straight.

removing the environment for an infestation to grow in destroys the infestation in the same way that without fuel, fire goes out. faith in Christ changes your heart and your mind, which produces works like fruit grows from a vine or a branch -- which is terrific! right? not terrible?

 

[dcontroversal]

Let me say what I'm saying a little more simply.

Peter is talking to saved people, telling them to diligently live like they are saved. He is reminding them, who they are.

And if they don't follow his instruction? He says their knowledge of the Lord will be UNFRUITFUL.

And if their knowledge of the Lord is fruitful there will be an abundant entrance richly supplied. Contrast with Paul saying they will be saved through fire, but scarcely.

AMEN....such simple truth............I agree

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes, I would say:

Denying Christ is denying Him as Son of God, i.e. never saved.

Being faithless means not living faithful. But He doesn't deny Himself, because He promises on Himself that He would keep us.

Another simple truth for sure............thanks God for eternal salvation that cannot be lost or forfeit by what we do or do not do......

 

[JIMBO43]

the law was who s guardian .

without context , you will never enter the spiritual , sin needs a law, and context to what is cutting you off from the spiritual.

jewish converts, started speaking in tongues, to what was the start, to a christian belief system.


24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith


25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faithGalatians 3

the law has never changed only fullfilled now we are inside the law and not under it.. when you understand this youll reconise your false beliefs..

 

[JIMBO43]

You've done nothing of the sort.

Believing the Gospel I lean on Christ alone, and in nothing I've done. You lean on yourself, and I'm full of pride? Wow!

You're that deceived and this is saddening. The fact is you don't believe the Gospel, nor in the sufficiency of Christ, but in yourself - you are your gospel.

people who get personal have an agenda in my experience

 

[Ariel82]

i suppose he cast them all into hell from the sound of your quote here... nope he told them to obey and left that thought with them.. so if it was christ alone who saves you why would he need to command us to obey.. ?

Because sin hurts us and those around us.

To me it's like a toddler saying.....Dad loves me and saves me.., so why should I listen to Him when he says not to play with fire?

When the kid falls in and get 3rd degree burns,...,(i believe God protects us when we are 4 years old but when we are teenagers, he lets us learn the hard way.)

God warns of sin like we earn toddlers to stay away from the fire.

We will still love and care for our kid even when they disobey but their disobedience can cause permanent damage and a lot of hurt.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, in the second type of soil. Jesus even said that the person who had the second type of soil believed for a while. Calvinism says this believing was not true believing (because it did not endure). But I don't see any rationale for saying that from the parable itself. Jesus said they believed and so I believe exactly what he says, they believed.

Off to bed, folks.
Thanks again for the civil, courteous discussion. I mean that.

It is not true believing, What calvin said or did not say means nothing.

If their faith was in God, They never would have left, Their faith was in the world. They may have "believed" but as james said, even demons believe, No one is ever saved by mere belief. It takes true faith to be saved, A dead faith never saved anyone, and a dead faith can be belief, because James never denied they believed anything, he denied they ever had true faith,

 

[royalscot]

I know you didn't ask me but thought someone should answer these questions....



Each born again child has the power to stand against Satan and his minions and watch them flee,

I agree every person has a different measure of faith and even a small measure the size of a mustard seed can grow into a great tree. I loved your retelling of Moses and the 70 elders, but back to the questions.,,5 am here, sorry for the rambling,

We are each given spiritual armor. Someone quoted the verses earlier.

We each have the ability to say NO to sin. I can give you the vers that says God always gives us a way to say NO to temptation.

As for demons, we have the power of prayer. We tell God we need help and He sends His angels to get rid of the demon problem.

However we have to bandage the wounds and help tear down spiritual strongholds that war against the knowledge of God. We have to give them the Gospel and lead them to Christ.

Otherwise when we leave their presence and they don't receive the Holy spirit to protect and guide them, the demons will just return with 7 more of their demon buddies.

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Elisha was surrounded by an unseen (invisible to most people) army of angels.

God is more powerful than most will acknowledge and He loves each and every one of His children.

If you knew that there were demons where you were sending your child, would you send protection along with them?

Are you more loving than God?

when did you have power to change laws of the land,

if your still looking at sin, you have no authority, to change law.


Jesus Sends Out the Twelve Apostles
5 These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, "Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans,6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.7 And proclaim as you go, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay

 

[JIMBO43]

God gave Moses the power of His Holy spirit.

He didn't divide Moses spirit but gave His Holy spirit power to His prophet's and ambassadors to this lost world. He gives His children similar Holy spirit power today.

Jonah didn't go to Niniveh because He hated them and wanted God to destroy them. He wasn't scared,he was angry, you see this when he got mad at God for forgiving them.

Had a few minutes and though I would check on the thread.

I enjoy most of your post. The only ones I really dislike are when you let folks get to you and you react in anger. Some of your posts I strongly disagree with, but you probably disagree with some of my posts to.

What is important is that we both pray and allow God to reveal His truth to us.

are you sure coz black is most definately black here...25Then the LORD came down in the cloud and spoke to him; and He took of the Spirit who was upon him and placed Him upon the seventy elders.

To me this looks like deviding..