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I want all to read this, Yes, it is important to read the Word from Genesis through Revelation inclusive. However it will do none any good if they are not led by theHOly Spirit, and even with this, one must pray for understanding and meditate upon the Word for the Word, with the Holy Spirit, is Jesus Christ. Jesus was an Hebrew of teh Tribe of Judah, and He was a Jew by translation, never by the rabbinical teachings that had become rampant in Judah upon His first visit to us.
That's nonsense that I am teaching that Abraham denies his children.
Why would you capitalize "His" - when referring to Abraham - is he now a new "God" of some sort?
We do have the same type of faith as Abraham and thus he is the father of the type of faith to have in God which is found now in the work of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Why would you capitalize "His" - when referring to Abraham - is he now a new "God" of some sort?
We do have the same type of faith as Abraham and thus he is the father of the type of faith to have in God which is found now in the work of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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You have yet to believe because if you had you would know why we are not to stone people to death.
I deny not what He said yet you can not see it.
who told you to circumcise yourself and keep the law of Moses?
I love my Lord and Keep His law.
a verse here and a verse there instead of complete Truth is what you choose and you remain Spiritualy blind.. you tell everyone about the bits you like that suit you.. we will keep sharing the New Covenant.
How did they guard/keep that commandment in regard to the true fast? How many meals do you eat on Saturday?
What makes it different seeing there is no meal when a person fast?
By not eating? What is the kind of fast that can drive out lying spirits as being heard on high as the kind of fast in which the disciples could not cast out? Three kosher meals?
He is the Lord of our rest, not the Lord of Saturday. You are mixing rest terms with time sentive words. Everytime we hear his voice and harden not our hearts we have entered his rest... not enter Saturday .
What makes it different seeing there is no meal when a person fast?
By not eating? What is the kind of fast that can drive out lying spirits as being heard on high as the kind of fast in which the disciples could not cast out? Three kosher meals?
He is the Lord of our rest, not the Lord of Saturday. You are mixing rest terms with time sentive words. Everytime we hear his voice and harden not our hearts we have entered his rest... not enter Saturday .
Okie dokie..
If you think following the law of Moses will bring life and salvation - you are entitled to that belief. You are also free to believe that Donald Duck and Daffy Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation if you chose.
I'm not going to abandon my Lord for the law of Moses which Paul says we have died to, been released from and not under anymore because we are in Christ.
His life in me will fulfill all the real intent of the law.
I'm going to stick with the Lord Jesus Christ and depend on His finished work alone and I'm going to rest from my own works as God did from His - because Christ Himself is our true Sabbath rest.
Hebrews 4:8-11 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
God bless you! All is well....
Okie dokie..
If you think following the law of Moses will bring life and salvation - you are entitled to that belief. You are also free to believe that Donald Duck and Daffy Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation if you chose.
I'm not going to abandon my Lord for the law of Moses which Paul says we have died to, been released from and not under anymore because we are in Christ.
I'm going to stick with the Lord Jesus Christ and depend on His finished work alone and I'm going to rest from my own works as God did from His - because Christ Himself is our true Sabbath rest.
Hebrews 4:8-11 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
God bless you! All is well....
You blissfully ignore the question I asked...
Who told you to circumcise your outward and keep the law of Moses?
Have we not shared the Testimony of the Messiah?
So how can we be those in unbelief rejecting Him?
finished work alone?
you don't believe His Testimony..... you are disobedient.
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For all that accuse us of rejecting the Messiah in favour of the Old Testament... share with us where we wrote to Keep the law of Moses?
We have the New and better wine and try to share it with you... but you continue in unbelief... soothing yourselves with the idea we are reviving the first husband.... oh what people are you not knowing those that Love the Messiah keep His word.. yet you fill yourselves with error and proclaim Grace and the works of the cross... they are part of the Truth indeed... Thank GOD... oh but you will not seek with your heart... desiring doctrines of men that deceive you.
Be perfect... and more Righteous.... believe Him and receive the Holy Spirit.
We have the New and better wine and try to share it with you... but you continue in unbelief... soothing yourselves with the idea we are reviving the first husband.... oh what people are you not knowing those that Love the Messiah keep His word.. yet you fill yourselves with error and proclaim Grace and the works of the cross... they are part of the Truth indeed... Thank GOD... oh but you will not seek with your heart... desiring doctrines of men that deceive you.
Be perfect... and more Righteous.... believe Him and receive the Holy Spirit.
There are people here who say Jesus, our Savior, was "under the law." And so they accuse all who model themselves after Him and His walk here with us.
Here again, these grace-oly folks are opting for diobedience.
You folks who know so much about the law, I suppose you are lawyers, you do not see just how many times Jesus opted for mercy in place of the law to teachus to always show mercy?
You are blind guides, and if the blind lead the blind teymost certainly will fall into a ditch.
Her the words of Jesus christ, you who say you believe Him for believing Him is doing as He did and taught.
Jesus Christ King of the Jews. Yesua Mashiach Melech Yahudim. amen.
Here again, these grace-oly folks are opting for diobedience.
You folks who know so much about the law, I suppose you are lawyers, you do not see just how many times Jesus opted for mercy in place of the law to teachus to always show mercy?
You are blind guides, and if the blind lead the blind teymost certainly will fall into a ditch.
Her the words of Jesus christ, you who say you believe Him for believing Him is doing as He did and taught.
Jesus Christ King of the Jews. Yesua Mashiach Melech Yahudim. amen.
Some Christians believe that unless something is stated explicitly in Scripture it has no significance. While there is no explicit statement which says that the Lord's Day (not "Sunday" a pagan concept, but "the first day of the week) has replaced the sabbath, that is the actual reality from Scripture (not Constatine).
The sabbath was observed (1) as a day of rest and (2) as a day of worship. Those functions were TRANSFERRED to the Lord's Day or the first day of the week. We can look at just one passage (Acts 20:6,7) to see that the apostolic churches had already adopted the first day of the week as the day to (1) gather together for worship (2) "break bread" meaning the Lord's Supper, (3) hear the preaching of the Word of God, and (4) bring their gifts and offerings to God (1 Cor 16:1,2).
And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
So what do we learn from these passages:
1. Even though Paul and his companions had arrived at Troas eight days earlier, they waited until all the disciples had gathered together on the first day of the week so that they could communicate with everyone of the Lord's Day.
2. Christians observed the Lord's Supper every week on the first day of the week
3. Brethren and apostles preached to them on the first day of the week
4. Offerings (not tithes) were to be brought to the assembly on the first day of the week.
At the same time Paul tells us plainly that because Christ is the reality (and He is our perfect rest or eternal Sabbath), new moons, sabbath days, and holy days are to be regarded as shadows. Therefore there was no apostolic teaching on sabbath observance in the New Testament.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Colossians 2:16,17).
The sabbath was observed (1) as a day of rest and (2) as a day of worship. Those functions were TRANSFERRED to the Lord's Day or the first day of the week. We can look at just one passage (Acts 20:6,7) to see that the apostolic churches had already adopted the first day of the week as the day to (1) gather together for worship (2) "break bread" meaning the Lord's Supper, (3) hear the preaching of the Word of God, and (4) bring their gifts and offerings to God (1 Cor 16:1,2).
And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
So what do we learn from these passages:
1. Even though Paul and his companions had arrived at Troas eight days earlier, they waited until all the disciples had gathered together on the first day of the week so that they could communicate with everyone of the Lord's Day.
2. Christians observed the Lord's Supper every week on the first day of the week
3. Brethren and apostles preached to them on the first day of the week
4. Offerings (not tithes) were to be brought to the assembly on the first day of the week.
At the same time Paul tells us plainly that because Christ is the reality (and He is our perfect rest or eternal Sabbath), new moons, sabbath days, and holy days are to be regarded as shadows. Therefore there was no apostolic teaching on sabbath observance in the New Testament.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Colossians 2:16,17).
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Just more religious nonsense and a complete lie. If you chose to live by the law of Moses - you are free to but at the very least stop spreading lies about others. Bearing false witness is against your law isn't it?
You who keep the law - do you not hear the law?
Galatians 4:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?
We don't need to live by the moral code in the law of Moses which says in Lev. 18:23 to not have sex with a animal. The law of Christ Himself , the law of love, the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus will stop this.
People often say to those that speak of the grace of God and that they are not under the law of Moses including the 10 commandments anymore that they believe they are without "laws" now.
We do have laws in the New Covenant.
They are exciting laws that bring life and wholeness to us all - because these are all Christ Himself in us. Jesus fulfilled the law. The law was a mere shadow of the real thing which was Jesus.
Read the law to see Jesus in it and to know that Jesus did that for us and His life in us now leads us in all things. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.
We now live by:
1) The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. ( Romans 8:2 )
2) The law of love( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )
3) The law of faith ( Romans 3:27 and the law of Moses is NOT of faith - Gal. 3:12 )
4) Thelaw of liberty in Christ Jesus ( James 1:25 )
5) The law of Christ - which is Christ Himself in us. ( Gal. 6:2 )
We can trust the Holy Spirit and the life of Christ Himself in us to lead us in all affairs of life. We don't go back to the law of Moses that were a shadow of the real thing which is Christ in us.. Jesus is more then enough.
Yes...we glory in the laws that we have in the New Covenant because they are all Christ Himself living in and through us. ( Gal.2:20 and Col. 3:3 )
Get this wrong and we create a religion which really nullifies the grace of God from operating in our lives like it was meant to.
Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
You who keep the law - do you not hear the law?
Galatians 4:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?
We don't need to live by the moral code in the law of Moses which says in Lev. 18:23 to not have sex with a animal. The law of Christ Himself , the law of love, the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus will stop this.
People often say to those that speak of the grace of God and that they are not under the law of Moses including the 10 commandments anymore that they believe they are without "laws" now.
We do have laws in the New Covenant.
They are exciting laws that bring life and wholeness to us all - because these are all Christ Himself in us. Jesus fulfilled the law. The law was a mere shadow of the real thing which was Jesus.
Read the law to see Jesus in it and to know that Jesus did that for us and His life in us now leads us in all things. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.
We now live by:
1) The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. ( Romans 8:2 )
2) The law of love( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )
3) The law of faith ( Romans 3:27 and the law of Moses is NOT of faith - Gal. 3:12 )
4) Thelaw of liberty in Christ Jesus ( James 1:25 )
5) The law of Christ - which is Christ Himself in us. ( Gal. 6:2 )
We can trust the Holy Spirit and the life of Christ Himself in us to lead us in all affairs of life. We don't go back to the law of Moses that were a shadow of the real thing which is Christ in us.. Jesus is more then enough.
Yes...we glory in the laws that we have in the New Covenant because they are all Christ Himself living in and through us. ( Gal.2:20 and Col. 3:3 )
Get this wrong and we create a religion which really nullifies the grace of God from operating in our lives like it was meant to.
Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Hebrews 12
Hebrews 12King James Version (KJV)
12 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Hebrews 12King James Version (KJV)
12 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Satan and his horde do not come to the believer in Christ and say "Sin all you want" because no one would for fall for such a lie.
Instead they come as "ministers of righteousness".
They want us to live by our own D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness such as "law-keeping" in order to be righteous so that we will be not be depending on what Christ has done for us by grace through faith alone for salvation.
This cuts us off from receiving the grace of God in our lives.
2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (KJV)
[SUP]14[/SUP] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
[SUP]15[/SUP] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. ( notice that is "their" works )
This below in 1 Peter 1:13 is what satan is really after...this is why he has false prophets/teachers in our midst.
He wants us to fall away from grace and depend on our own performance and human will-power ( of which the law of Moses is an example of ) instead of what Christ has done in His finished work on the cross and resurrection.
1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Instead they come as "ministers of righteousness".
They want us to live by our own D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness such as "law-keeping" in order to be righteous so that we will be not be depending on what Christ has done for us by grace through faith alone for salvation.
This cuts us off from receiving the grace of God in our lives.
2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (KJV)
[SUP]14[/SUP] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
[SUP]15[/SUP] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. ( notice that is "their" works )
This below in 1 Peter 1:13 is what satan is really after...this is why he has false prophets/teachers in our midst.
He wants us to fall away from grace and depend on our own performance and human will-power ( of which the law of Moses is an example of ) instead of what Christ has done in His finished work on the cross and resurrection.
1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Now you are saying I have chosen to live by the Law of Moses, and I know you mean the 613, which I have fully elaborated upon how they are almost all fulfilled by Jesus Christ.
You are one who has said Jesus Christ is "under the law." Do you know what being an obedient Son is? Ithink not. He obeyed the Father out of Love . We obey like He, as best we are given, because He loved us first.
YOu say all of the law isin the two great laws of love, ans so they are. Because they are in love if they are missing in your conduct your love is not real. Your love is a hollow boast without obedience.
Your really should confess you do not truly know what Jesus christ teaches on the law, on love and on all.
How could He have been "under the law" as you accukse when He taught the Jews to turn the other cheek , and to love one's enemies. and so much more?
How can you say Jesus was "under the law" when He peaded the case fro th ewoman caught in adultery, saving her from being stoned to death according to the law?
Whay are you telling such bald-faced lies? Wjy are you saying we, obedient children, are under the law when we obey out of love, and love contains all of the law?
Your words are as hollow as your accusations that all who obey are under the law, hypocrite. To imitate Jesus christ, as He teaches, can never be construed as being under the law. YOu really ought to stop now in accusing our Savior and God of being "under the law,2 that is perverse.
You are one who has said Jesus Christ is "under the law." Do you know what being an obedient Son is? Ithink not. He obeyed the Father out of Love . We obey like He, as best we are given, because He loved us first.
YOu say all of the law isin the two great laws of love, ans so they are. Because they are in love if they are missing in your conduct your love is not real. Your love is a hollow boast without obedience.
Your really should confess you do not truly know what Jesus christ teaches on the law, on love and on all.
How could He have been "under the law" as you accukse when He taught the Jews to turn the other cheek , and to love one's enemies. and so much more?
How can you say Jesus was "under the law" when He peaded the case fro th ewoman caught in adultery, saving her from being stoned to death according to the law?
Whay are you telling such bald-faced lies? Wjy are you saying we, obedient children, are under the law when we obey out of love, and love contains all of the law?
Your words are as hollow as your accusations that all who obey are under the law, hypocrite. To imitate Jesus christ, as He teaches, can never be construed as being under the law. YOu really ought to stop now in accusing our Savior and God of being "under the law,2 that is perverse.
