You Say You Believe Paul
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Matthew 13:10-16
[FONT="]10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Galatians 3:24-26
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[FONT="]24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.[/FONT]
[FONT="]26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Did you know Abraham wasn't jewish? People hate Christ and what He stands for. Especially those who would try and follow after Judaism in their own strength and understanding.
They really shouldn't hate him. Those who have faith in Christ actually establish what judaism believes, just not by our own strength and understanding.
Paul explains it all beautifully. But if you don't believe Christ you definitely won't believe Paul.[/FONT]
[FONT="]10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Galatians 3:24-26
[/FONT]
[FONT="]24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.[/FONT]
[FONT="]26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Did you know Abraham wasn't jewish? People hate Christ and what He stands for. Especially those who would try and follow after Judaism in their own strength and understanding.
They really shouldn't hate him. Those who have faith in Christ actually establish what judaism believes, just not by our own strength and understanding.
Paul explains it all beautifully. But if you don't believe Christ you definitely won't believe Paul.[/FONT]
Perhaps yo have been once under the impression Abraham was a son of Judah. I have never had this notion. Why are you bringing it up? And why again the teaching of Jesus inviting us all to learn of Him so He may give us rest? You always leave out the part that He is giving us rest fro the ehavy burdens weighed upon us by the hypocrites. Why do you always do this?
It is almost like mold growing in the threads. The same old fungus coming to taint the clarity being shared. T'is a pity, a real shame.
It is almost like mold growing in the threads. The same old fungus coming to taint the clarity being shared. T'is a pity, a real shame.
I really do not see any clarity in what you are trying to say here. I understand that you are saying that folks should not try to use the words of Paul to attempt to contradict Jesus, but since the words of Paul do not, that would be a tough task for someone to seriously undertake.
as far as the rest of what you are saying, I ( and probably others ) do not get it.........
as far as the rest of what you are saying, I ( and probably others ) do not get it.........
dude, I could have made a big deal about how you jumped all over me about Galatians 5, but I did not. you in that conversation, you were correct in your stance on 1st Corinthians 5. I was correct about Galatians 5. I let it go. but, you do not want to let anything go. so, how about this- i'll stop speaking roughly to you, or even better, anyone, and you do the same. can we proceed forward , and dis-agree without rough words??
This is an incredibly idiotic prclamation since the Gospel of Jesus Christ was the same for Abraham as it is for Christ's people at His first coming and for teh Gentiles...........
I wonder if with all this wisdom the entire Christian community should not change rename the Bible parts with the New Teestament beginning with Paul? Maybe then they could just throw out all of the Twelve, and everyone can be as confused as teh one who made this ridiculous declaration simpley to have an argument.
I n Jesus christ's name, I pray the Father take care of this matter.......amen.
I wonder if with all this wisdom the entire Christian community should not change rename the Bible parts with the New Teestament beginning with Paul? Maybe then they could just throw out all of the Twelve, and everyone can be as confused as teh one who made this ridiculous declaration simpley to have an argument.
I n Jesus christ's name, I pray the Father take care of this matter.......amen.
To keep the lies, malice and slander down to a minimum - I wll post this again what is really being said concerning the words of Jesus.
It is extremely important to read all scriptures in their context - even the words of Jesus. I understand this conflicts with some of our religious beliefs passed on by man-made traditions which nullify the grace of God.
The Cross of Christ changed from living according to law and we are now in the grace of Christ for forgiveness. It is not based on us. We forgive because we are forgiven - it's in our nature now.
Walk by the spirit and we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires.
If people believe something else- that is their choice....
Those dealing deceitfully say that some are saying "Everything in the words of Jesus are irrelevent and before the cross". or that "all the teachings of Jesus are Old Covenant" That is the malice-filled lie.
The truth is they really say "Some of the words of Jesus were spoken in the Old Covenant and were before the New Covenant". The New Covenant starts with the death of Jesus on the cross. - not in His birth.
Do we go show ourselves to the priest when we are healed - just like Jesus told a guy to do?
Do we tell people in order to be saved that they must keep the commandments as Jesus told the rich ruler who asked Him "What must "I do" to inherit eternal life."
( Jesus gave him the law to show that he in fact did not keep the law as he thought he had because he had money as his "god" and broke the 1st commandment)
Of course not - in the New Covenant we say this:
Acts 16:30-31 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
[SUP]31 [/SUP] They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
It is extremely important to read all scriptures in their context - even the words of Jesus. I understand this conflicts with some of our religious beliefs passed on by man-made traditions which nullify the grace of God.
The Cross of Christ changed from living according to law and we are now in the grace of Christ for forgiveness. It is not based on us. We forgive because we are forgiven - it's in our nature now.
Walk by the spirit and we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires.
If people believe something else- that is their choice....
Those dealing deceitfully say that some are saying "Everything in the words of Jesus are irrelevent and before the cross". or that "all the teachings of Jesus are Old Covenant" That is the malice-filled lie.
The truth is they really say "Some of the words of Jesus were spoken in the Old Covenant and were before the New Covenant". The New Covenant starts with the death of Jesus on the cross. - not in His birth.
Do we go show ourselves to the priest when we are healed - just like Jesus told a guy to do?
Do we tell people in order to be saved that they must keep the commandments as Jesus told the rich ruler who asked Him "What must "I do" to inherit eternal life."
( Jesus gave him the law to show that he in fact did not keep the law as he thought he had because he had money as his "god" and broke the 1st commandment)
Of course not - in the New Covenant we say this:
Acts 16:30-31 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
[SUP]31 [/SUP] They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
This is a good way to set up your audience to believe that there is some kind of conflict between the Lord Jesus Christ and the apostle Paul, the leading apostle in the New Testament and the writer of over half the NT.
So the first question we should ask ourselves when someone presents this dubious and phony conflict is: "Would God really allow a man who would be opposed to Christ to complete 51% of the New Testament and visit more churches in the Roman Empire than any other apostle"?
It is the Lord Himself who commissioned Paul, so these nonsensical threads are really from Satan to confuse gullible Christians into thinking that they should tear out half of their New Testaments.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake. (Acts 9:15,16)
13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: (Acts 26:13,19)
It was the Judaizers who hated Paul, and today it is the enemies of Christ who try to claim that Paul is in conflict with Christ. Utter nonsense.
So the first question we should ask ourselves when someone presents this dubious and phony conflict is: "Would God really allow a man who would be opposed to Christ to complete 51% of the New Testament and visit more churches in the Roman Empire than any other apostle"?
It is the Lord Himself who commissioned Paul, so these nonsensical threads are really from Satan to confuse gullible Christians into thinking that they should tear out half of their New Testaments.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake. (Acts 9:15,16)
13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: (Acts 26:13,19)
It was the Judaizers who hated Paul, and today it is the enemies of Christ who try to claim that Paul is in conflict with Christ. Utter nonsense.
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Really?
You ARE Prince's disciple, aren't you?
You quote Prince all the time.
Prince says "some", then goes on to say "those before the cross" which is what, 90+% of everything Jesus said?
Yeah, that was a sneaky way to do it..... him & you.
Who's "dealing deceitfully" again?
I think the BDF ought to take up pledges & buy you a full-size magnifying mirror so you can see that "deceitful dealer" a little better.
You ARE Prince's disciple, aren't you?
You quote Prince all the time.
Prince says "some", then goes on to say "those before the cross" which is what, 90+% of everything Jesus said?
Yeah, that was a sneaky way to do it..... him & you.
Who's "dealing deceitfully" again?
I think the BDF ought to take up pledges & buy you a full-size magnifying mirror so you can see that "deceitful dealer" a little better.
