Charlottesville is in chaos

[HeraldtheNews]

Unless you're living under a rock you've heard about Charlottesville, Virginia at least once today.

Charlottesville: One killed in violence over US far-right rally - BBC News


I do not understand why people continue to fight hate with more hate. Peace is what we should strive for however people still want to fight fire with more fire. I don't care what side you are on, what you believe, hurting another person is never okay.

You are right that hatred just feeds on itself. I have an anti-social family member, likely socio or psycho-pathic or tendencies thereof, and they tend to recoil like a snake when they are challenged, trying to evoke a reaction of hatred. It is nothing less than dark energy that controls them. I gave up hating the dipsh*t years ago, and I have always had perfect control over my wrath through the gift of God. It really is a waste of time to hate the devil. they just feed on it. Just delegate anger to God as the Bible says, "vengeance is mine, sayeth the LORD." I said to God the other day, "Lord, I'm tired of all the psycho's in the world, especially that persecute me with their barrage of schemes and deception and treachery." then I perceived His response-- "and you think we're not..."
THese people don't believe in God. They are in for a big surprise,and sooner than later.
We are commanded to delegate revenge to the LORD, and even to forgive our enemies, or at least being by choosing to forgive them, as Dr. Neil Anderson says in his book, "The Bondage Breaker." The freedom in Christ ministries also says, I believe, that withholding forgiveness is the single most cause for personal suffering, because until we do, including of ourselves, it's like we are chained to our enemies. Forgiveness does not always mean a restoration to fellowship, or friendship. (see "The Bondage Breaker," as to what forgiveness is and what it is not) IT really is the number one key to healing and emotional and spiritual freedom.

I have to work very hard not to hate Islamist militants, since their lost bondage of legalism and perversion of true religion is one of the key reasons Jesus came into the world, or at least why God chose that time in history. IT is the same oppressive legalism that prompted John the Baptist and Jesus to refer to the legalistic Pharisees who only used religion to persecute others as a "group of vipers." But, they didn't waste time hating them, since hatred is self-destructive. IT is also a grievous offense to hate ourselves since the presence of God and eternal life dwells within us, or at least human life if someone does not yet belong to Christ.

This is why I have a strong desire to support African Americans, since they have been persecuted for many centuries, just like I have also endured inner persecution (spiritual oppression/depression) and persecution in the world. The Black Americans in Charlottesville had the right response to violence-- the same as Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.-- a non-violent response to violence.
--Herald

 

[JaumeJ]

Even if a person's mind is so twisted he or she hates others, this is not of Jesus Christ.

We are taught to especially love each other so that outsiders who see us will see our love.

Also, the Master teaches us tonot only love our friends but also to love our enemies.

Anyone who uses race, creed or even politics as an excuse to hate is a very ick puppy..

Also, we do not kill.........for any reason. If you do not understand this last one, think of our example and what He said on the cross when dying the most agonizing death.......Saying to the God about His murderers (all of us), "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."

No come backs on what I have posted....there is none except lies.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Why is it so urgent to tear down a statue of Robert E. Lee? This denial of our Southern heritage has gone to far.

Ive been wondering what the people of this site thought of that. No one has mentioned it yet until now, that Ive seen.


I was happy to find that every right wing speaker that Im subscribed to on youtube did condemn these alt-right people, stating that they do not stand for the same thing. But pretty much all of them did say that they believed that they did have the right to gather and protest in defense of the statue, which I do agree with.

But I think its sad that people with kkk hoods and swastika flags had to be the people to gather in defense of the statue. It really only gives justification for those in the left that speak out against such things like the statue of Robert E Lee.

I think they should be allowed to keep the statue. Yes, the south did fight for their right to keep slaves. But every major culture has a history of slavery, even the ones we think are oppressed have this history somewhere. We should remember the past as to not repeat it, but if people want to have pride in their heritage, they should be allowed to have it, imo.

I think it should be obvious that someone having pride in being from the southern US does not automatically mean they believe in slavery.

 

[Depleted]

Even if a person's mind is so twisted he or she hates others, this is not of Jesus Christ.

We are taught to especially love each other so that outsiders who see us will see our love.

Also, the Master teaches us tonot only love our friends but also to love our enemies.

Anyone who uses race, creed or even politics as an excuse to hate is a very ick puppy..

Also, we do not kill.........for any reason. If you do not understand this last one, think of our example and what He said on the cross when dying the most agonizing death.......Saying to the God about His murderers (all of us), "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."

No come backs on what I have posted....there is none except lies.

Nah! There's a lot of comeback for what you posted, but since you won't hear it anyway, why say it?

 

[Depleted]

Ive been wondering what the people of this site thought of that. No one has mentioned it yet until now, that Ive seen.


I was happy to find that every right wing speaker that Im subscribed to on youtube did condemn these alt-right people, stating that they do not stand for the same thing. But pretty much all of them did say that they believed that they did have the right to gather and protest in defense of the statue, which I do agree with.

But I think its sad that people with kkk hoods and swastika flags had to be the people to gather in defense of the statue. It really only gives justification for those in the left that speak out against such things like the statue of Robert E Lee.

I think they should be allowed to keep the statue. Yes, the south did fight for their right to keep slaves. But every major culture has a history of slavery, even the ones we think are oppressed have this history somewhere. We should remember the past as to not repeat it, but if people want to have pride in their heritage, they should be allowed to have it, imo.

I think it should be obvious that someone having pride in being from the southern US does not automatically mean they believe in slavery.

I disagree. Whereas, I think Philadelphia's clothespin is one of the dumbest "statues" in the world, it is our statue! We get to decide if it stays or if it goes. Ohio doesn't. Virginia doesn't. Idaho doesn't. Our statue. Our decision, as a group.

Those people protesting Lee leaving weren't from Charlottesville, so they get no say. They can do what the rest of us do -- complain online, argue about it with their friends, but it is not their statue to protest over.

 

[JaumeJ]

Only from the enemy of God.

Nah! There's a lot of comeback for what you posted, but since you won't hear it anyway, why say it?

 

[loveme1]

Order out of chaos coming to a town near you.. the cause is not good from either side.. o the games they play with people is saddening..

The evil rebellion thrive on hate... playing right in to their evil hands by believing the hateful incitement being spewed...

Truth and love is not in attacking each other... no it will serve to bring in tougher measures to oppress and control... the battle is won.. Repent and believe then hold fast peacefully.

 

[loveme1]

P.s not everything on tv is as it seems.. think not that they abide by Truth... know your enemy and its devices.

 

[Desdichado]

It's regional pride not unlike what you find in the Northeast or even the Southwest. The South is distinguished by its traditionalist approach to conservatism- emphasis on locality and continuity from the past to the present.

Heritage and immediate surroundings are important in a way they no longer are in the North. This includes fidelity to local institutions and familial relations.

As such, Southerners tend toward love and loyalty in very fixed tiers. Family-Locality/State-Region (CSA)- Country (USA)

This is why Southerners are passionately loyal to America and passionately loyal to their own regional history.


Almost ironically, the history of the Civil War as seen in the South straddles the line between two views which I will classify as Southern Loyalist and Lincolnian. Southern Loyalists refer to the Civil War as the "War of Northern Aggression" and still harbor grievances toward the North. They are likely to call Lincoln the traitor to America and Lee the great defender of the Southern way. Their numbers are diminishing.

The Lincolnian view of the Civil War is far more common. In this view, Northern Victory is accepted as reality and on occasion preferable. While the South and southern generals are viewed as traitorous in the narrow, technical sense, their reasons for going to war are thought to make sense in the context of the time.

In either case, the Civil War is seen as an important event for the region and the individual states (see the tiers above). While the severity of slavery and the real reasons for the war are a topic of debate, the gallantry, tenacity, and intelligence of the Southern generals are thought to be emblematic of the best qualities of the South in a way that transcends the war.

Even the views of the Union men during and immediately after the war corroborate with this Southern view. It was the US military that named many forts after Confederate generals not too long after Appomattox.


The stark, unforgiving attitude toward the South was rare among Northerners at the time because it was, well, a different time. Death was more common inside and outside of war. Being willing to fight and die for a cause was seen as noble even if that cause was a point of contention- many Confederate generals admired John Brown, including Robert E. Lee. Robert E. Lee was given a hero's send-off by Union forces at the close of the war.

This attitude is also more common in the South than it is the North today.


To sum it up- the South continues to venerate Confederate soldiers because they have a stronger hierarchy of loyalty and views of the Civil War that match up more with old Southern and old Yankee views. Both of which have been abandoned in the late 20th and early 21st centuries.

I hope this helps.

Why do you look fondly on a non-US general? Not trying to be antagonistic, it's a genuine curiosity. I see the historical significance of preserving Confederate memorabilia for educational purposes so as not to forget what happened. But we all agree they were dishonorable traitors who contributed to nearly the same death count of American soldiers as all other wars combined, right? Why do southerners obsess over "the South" as opposed to their own particular state identity? Surely there are notable non-confederate Virginians?

Is the monument intended to glorify confederates or is it in a Gettysburg-esque exhibit which exists solely for Civil War remembrance display? I'm honestly confused by the psychology here.

 

[JaumeJ]

M. Nerval, regional pride? Will this excuse hatred and murder? I know Jesus does pardon al sin, but condoning it is a completely different matter..........

 

[Desdichado]

I would also add (because we're discussing it on this site) that the Civil War itself was fought between two armies and peoples more steeped in the Gospel and a culture built on the Bible.

A true war between brothers. Complete with honor and forgiveness the likes of which we will not see should another Civil War brew.

I just think back to the accounts of when Union and Confederate soldiers met without arms. Each side had its real and important reasons for taking to the field, but they treated one another far better than an Antifa type and a White Nationalist would...and they were doing far, far worse to each other. Go figure...

 

[Jennie-Mae]

I'm growing weary of the attitude displayed towards Southern values, even by people from the South. Btw, thanks Dessichado, for an insightful post that hopefully will enlighten some.

What is happening in Charlottesville is terrible and nonexcusable, but please don't use the unrest to perform yet another attack on Southern folks and values in general. It's starting to get quite a habit up north to know what's best for the South.

 

[JaumeJ]

This forum is Christian News........ There is not much I cn dream up to call in the Gospel or being Christian about a hate demonstration or teh murder ensuing. I pray for all involved, but I support only the Spirit of Truth regarding the entire incident, not a Christian news flash if you think about it.

 

[Desdichado]

No problem. I'm a Yankee transplant who is very happy with his lot in life.

I owe that to Southern men and women keeping the tables.

I'm growing weary of the attitude displayed towards Southern values, even by people from the South. Btw, thanks Dessichado, for an insightful post that hopefully will enlighten some.

What is happening in Charlottesville is terrible and nonexcusable, but please don't use the unrest to perform yet another attack on Southern folks and values in general. It's starting to get quite a habit up north to know what's best for the South.

 

[Jennie-Mae]

No problem. I'm a Yankee transplant who is very happy with his lot in life.

I owe that to Southern men and women keeping the tables.

And I'm sorry about misspelling your name.

 

[Desdichado]

I didn't even notice. I suppose I can forgive you.

And I'm sorry about misspelling your name.

 

[Enow]

I blame the modern American education system for not teaching him much. Seriously? He can't think of any other famous leaders from Virginia? I bet he's got nothing against the heroes at the Alamo, and yet they weren't Americans. They were Texans. And he thinks Gettysburg says something different than other Civil War battles? And he has absolutely no idea why there were so many more deaths in the Civil War, even ignoring Gettysburg's deaths numbered the same as all the deaths of American soldiers in the whole of Vietnam.

I blame the education system. And really, it seems like a class-action lawsuit waiting to happen.

I do blame the educational system, the media, & Hollywood for teaching the evolution theory as a fact.

The complete fabrication by Hollywood on the Scope's Monkey Trial from the real reason why Tennessee banned a certain kind of teaching of the evolution theory in school should reveal where all of this segregated thinking of the races is stemming from and why bigotry exists in most cases.

The Monkey Trial - themonkeytrial.com

Bryan did not oppose the teaching of evolution in public schools. For a number of reasons noted below he did oppose teaching the evolution of mankind (one species) as scientific fact and especially in the manner in which evolutionary theory was practically being applied in his day.

As Bryan wrote in the New York Times:

The only part of evolution in which any considerable interest is felt is evolution applied to man. A hypothesis in regard to the rocks and plant life does not affect the philosophy upon which one's life is built. Evolution applied to fish, birds, and beasts would not materially affect man's view of his own responsibilities. . . . The evolution that is harmful . . . is the evolution that makes [man himself] a descendant of lower forms of life. (Feb. 26, 1922)
​

Specifically—and this is very important to understanding both the Butler Act and the trial—Bryan opposed those applications of Darwinism to mankind that were rapidly gaining popularity and were contained in Prof. Hunter’s Civic Biology. These teachings included (1) that mankind can be described in terms of five “races” of differing evolutionary status with the Caucasian race being the most advanced, followed by the “yellow” race, etc.—p. 196, (2) that public houses for the poor and asylums for the sick or insane make no sense from an evolutionary perspective and should be at least reconsidered if not dramatically curtailed—p. 263, (3) that certain “parasitic” elements of the human population should not have children (“If such people were lower animals,” Hunter writes, “we would probably kill them off”) and, in some cases, such reproduction should be forcibly prevented (“Remedies of this sort have been tried successfully in Europe”)—p. 263, (4) that society’s business classes should be given generous economic latitude (known as “hands off” or “laissez faire” capitalism) to further advance the most successful members of the human species—p. 261ff, and (5) that the gap between the monkeys and the most evolved apes is akin tothe gap between those apes and the lowest human “savages”—p. 195.



The above teachings were favorably referred to as “eugenics”—a term invented by Darwin’s cousin, Sir Francis Galton—and generally pertain to the active management of the gene pool of the human species by more evolved experts over a less evolved citizenry. This was scary stuff gaining momentum in the 1920s and, as noted below, was no longer confined to theoretical discussions in Ivory Towers.
Statutes permitting sterilizations by force, laws forbidding marriages between people of different races (miscegenation), immigration quotas favoring Northern Europeans (Caucasians), and economic policies benefiting the most successful capitalists, were all popular policies advanced by elitists (university professors, industrialists, Planned Parenthood, liberal ministers, etc.) who self-consciously and persuasively invoked the “scientific” principles of Darwinism.



Despite vocal opposition primarily from people outside the academic and scientific communities such as Bryan and the popular evangelist Billy Sunday (both of whom regarded all men as created equal by God), eugenics enjoyed steadily increasing currency in the 1920s, especially among liberal academics. Nazi Germany eventually brought to horrific fruition many of Bryan’s worst fears and put a halt to public support for eugenics and its euphemistic “civic biology” (recall here the weird title of Hunter's biology textbook). The Soviet Union and, later, the Communist Chinese adopted the practices of eugenics with similar results.
The majority (if not all) of the scientists called by the Defense to testify on behalf of John Scopes in 1925, in fact, belonged to eugenic societies—organizations now regarded as no less (and perhaps more) reprehensible than the dreaded KKK.



In addition to eugenics, Bryan opposed the teaching of evolution as fact because the theory was based more on philosophical presuppositions (a commitment to naturalism) than observed facts (like the fossil record). A good summary of his views are contained in his undelivered closing argument at the trial and an article published after his death in the Reader's Digest.

Now, "science" is changing the facts of the evolution theory by switching from gradual macroevolution to rapid macroevolution as proposed by Stephen Jay Gould, and evolutionists are still playing catch up when they say both are true when the latter was proposed because the former isn't true.

"Science" is even leaning towards the view that dinosaurs came from birds and not birds from the dinosaurs.

If you look on the internet for the definition of micro evolution and macro evolution, from dictionaries online to definitions given by universities... they would be separate in definition whereas others start blurring the two together.

The reason evolution theory is running amok is because of the idea of micro evolution which is nothing else but borrowed from the Law of Biogenesis where life begets similar life and not just life did not come from nothing which is what some say that is all the Law of Biogenesis mean... like duh... the title should say it all. Genetics... life comes from similar life.

The 1st & 2nd laws of thermodynamics has Time's arrow pointing downward and not upward as evolution theory proclaim of life becoming more complex as time goes on.

Peer reviews on isolated islands under volcanic activity where one purported to claim that another kind of lizard macro evolved from the original lizard known to exists on that island... another has an island purported the same thing for a bird. They claim they came from that original species and cannot mate with that former species any more.

Those are just claims to get grants from the government to do their studies which is a lie.

They never proved that new species came from that original species. They just claimed that new species appeared and so assumed they came from that original species. All any one had to do was isolate the original species ... keep track of their eggs.. and prove that new species came from them.

The stupidity of evolutionists on the internet is that they do not question everything. They just take whatever they can get and lobby them against christians in christian forums to mess with us like using those two peer review reports.

I can get a government grant now.. and say that when people go to theatres, a new species can emerge after the theatre is over with. I can get a camera on the audience.. film everybody before the play begins, noting the empty seats in the audience... and then allow the light to darken in the audience, let the play begins, and when it ends, the light returns to the audience with the camera and see some of those empty seats filled with people. See? I have proved macro evolution happened by going to theatres and not just by being on a volcanic island. That is about the same kind of nonsense they are doing in the field of science when they want grants to further their careers. They do not actually witness the coming of that new species from the former species... it is assumed.

The island is not exactly an isolated place when birds can fly unto the island by weather patterns. Plus, once trees and other obstructions are removed for viewing on a volcanic island, one can see more of what is on the island than what has been previously led to believe as far as birds are concern. That means, they may have been on the island all along but just not seen as much or noted.

On a volcanic island regarding lizards, any one can imagine that the ground getting really hot can force anything that typically live in the ground to the surface where they normally are not seen.

Anyway... there is no way to get rid of the evolution theory out of our educational system and from society viewing it to be true, but surely, from the Scope's Monkey Trial, one can understand how the evolution theory can influence bigotry and race hatred wherein they believe they are justified in feeling the way that they do in using natural selection as a means to improve the race and to reserve resources for the survival of what is perceived to be the superior race... that are financially well off. The poor white slobs in according to some legislation can go from being a drain on the system.

People are getting stuck up, and not just having a bigotry towards other skin colors. The oppressed are doing no better when they retaliate in the same language.

Makes me wonder what everybody will do when the evolution theory gets exposed as a lie all along? They may have forgotten what stemmed all this bigotry and evil legislation in the first place.

Reminds me of Jesus's prayer... "Father.. forgive them for they know not what they do..."

 

[kaylagrl]

It's regional pride not unlike what you find in the Northeast or even the Southwest. The South is distinguished by its traditionalist approach to conservatism- emphasis on locality and continuity from the past to the present.

Heritage and immediate surroundings are important in a way they no longer are in the North. This includes fidelity to local institutions and familial relations.

As such, Southerners tend toward love and loyalty in very fixed tiers. Family-Locality/State-Region (CSA)- Country (USA)

This is why Southerners are passionately loyal to America and passionately loyal to their own regional history.


Almost ironically, the history of the Civil War as seen in the South straddles the line between two views which I will classify as Southern Loyalist and Lincolnian. Southern Loyalists refer to the Civil War as the "War of Northern Aggression" and still harbor grievances toward the North. They are likely to call Lincoln the traitor to America and Lee the great defender of the Southern way. Their numbers are diminishing.

The Lincolnian view of the Civil War is far more common. In this view, Northern Victory is accepted as reality and on occasion preferable. While the South and southern generals are viewed as traitorous in the narrow, technical sense, their reasons for going to war are thought to make sense in the context of the time.

In either case, the Civil War is seen as an important event for the region and the individual states (see the tiers above). While the severity of slavery and the real reasons for the war are a topic of debate, the gallantry, tenacity, and intelligence of the Southern generals are thought to be emblematic of the best qualities of the South in a way that transcends the war.

Even the views of the Union men during and immediately after the war corroborate with this Southern view. It was the US military that named many forts after Confederate generals not too long after Appomattox.


The stark, unforgiving attitude toward the South was rare among Northerners at the time because it was, well, a different time. Death was more common inside and outside of war. Being willing to fight and die for a cause was seen as noble even if that cause was a point of contention- many Confederate generals admired John Brown, including Robert E. Lee. Robert E. Lee was given a hero's send-off by Union forces at the close of the war.

This attitude is also more common in the South than it is the North today.


To sum it up- the South continues to venerate Confederate soldiers because they have a stronger hierarchy of loyalty and views of the Civil War that match up more with old Southern and old Yankee views. Both of which have been abandoned in the late 20th and early 21st centuries.

I hope this helps.

Well said and well thought out. I live in the south and yes,there are a few handful of racists hanging around. But the vast majority hold with the second ideal that you mentioned. There is an historic graveyard Ive visited several times that has a statue of a confederate soldier and graves of both southern and northern dead. I went recently to take photos of the site because I don't expect it to be there much longer if things keep going the way they are. The thing is that this is history.Taking down statues changes no ones mind,it changes no ones heart. Racism is a heart attitude.So I don't see the point of tearing down statues and renaming schools and streets etc. Now they have just renamed a school because it was named after a person with the last name "Lynch". Absolutely ridiculous and just another way that far left libs are tearing the country apart with gender/race identity loonicy.

Lets think about the Revolutionary War. Years ago when I began to travel and sing with my family we traveled in New England a lot. Do you know what they have in the graveyards there? Loyalist graves. In the Mel Gibson movie, my kin were the Brits,not the Patriots. What if I demanded anything that offended me be taken down? All the statues of Revolutionary War heroes statues removed,everything erased with a name that offended me? Because if people think this will stop at Confederate statues,you're wrong. The leftists have started a movement and lit the fuse,they dont care where it blows up. I just saw on the news that a statue was knocked down by a group of people. Whats next? Where does this go next? Anyone ever thought of that? Its not going to stop,it will become a tit for tat and sooner or later normal,level headed people are going to feel pushed to take a side.And then what happens to the country?! The leftists don't care. White supremacists come running,ANTIFA,Black Lives Matter, and even though they are on opposite sides they have the same mentality. But mark my words,people in the middle will take a side when pushed and we will see civil war. When you begin to see the founding fathers statues torn down,the people of this country will react. And the leftists who want to bring this country to its knees will sit back and laugh. If they cant do it with immigrants,they'll do it with gender or race. They dont care how its done.

 

[kaylagrl]

I'm growing weary of the attitude displayed towards Southern values, even by people from the South. Btw, thanks Dessichado, for an insightful post that hopefully will enlighten some.

What is happening in Charlottesville is terrible and nonexcusable, but please don't use the unrest to perform yet another attack on Southern folks and values in general. It's starting to get quite a habit up north to know what's best for the South.

And thats because the leftist communists want to start a race war and bring the country to its knees.And since no one sees it,their plan is working.

 

[oldethennew]

+there are many, many, more factions behind these horrific events, just pulling the strings
as they please...

I don't believe that there was 1 real Christian involved in that crowd, they wouldn't even be there...