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People only go back to Egypt because God is less than the desire that is in Egypt. I don't see any difference in what you are calling testing of faith to salvation, and what I said.
When troubles rise the first thing the enemy does is try to lie that God isn't faithful. That is our testing of faith in all we go through. It sounds like you are magnifying your testing as greater than others.
Testings are for the purging IMO. Because the blood of Christ not only covers but purges too. How else can one be purged in truth?
When troubles rise the first thing the enemy does is try to lie that God isn't faithful. That is our testing of faith in all we go through. It sounds like you are magnifying your testing as greater than others.
Testings are for the purging IMO. Because the blood of Christ not only covers but purges too. How else can one be purged in truth?
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Paul reasoned from the OT, and thousands got saved, Terms like justification and sanctification we not even known yet, Paul wrote those letter and words to believers to let them know what they had. A person who is snot saved can not even understand them.
I an thinking of opening up a thread to try to discuss what we thin Paul used in the OT to convince people to repent an come to Jesus..
I an thinking of opening up a thread to try to discuss what we thin Paul used in the OT to convince people to repent an come to Jesus..
I snuck back in real quick on a break.
I only see that you are repeating what I said...
I think you are having a block to hearing what I've said and have not really heard me. Otherwise, I think you would agree with me since you said the same thing I just said.
It's very odd and I don't quite know how to respond when you are thinking what I said was something different than what you just said.
Did you read my entire post? I'm just...perplexed at what I should answer when you said the same thing I just said in my post...
If God says anyone who doesn't abide will be cut off, then He has told the truth. I don't have to change the definition of abide or of cut off. I just have to keep trusting Him that He will grow my faith so this doesn't happen to me...
I think your block at hearing that I said the same thing you just did is having more to do with the verse than with what I said...because if you will carefully read again what I said, I think you will see it is the same thing you have said...
Very perplexing...
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...Not only a beautiful song but the pictures are amazing to the song...I am alive and my Spiritual eyes are wide open, and i hear Him say to me "Follow me " and i say YES Lord...xox...
I agree with parts of this, however to compare satan to human beings is really the epitome of apples and oranges.
satan did not have satan to tempt him. Humans did. I think God recognizes this fact, and that is why He became a HUMAN, not a an angel, or nephilim, to die for OUR iniquity.
So now that I'm getting a little controversial, I'm going to throw out the possibility that satan may have been tempted BY humans. How? Why?
Most people believe satan was jealous of Adam's creation and election to rule over the world. While I think that's true, I'm going to submit there may be a far greater temptation, that he, and his followers miserably failed at, and is why they are reserved in judgement.
As an Angel you have unbelievable power, access to the Heavenly Father, eternal life in joy and bliss, but ONE thing you DO NOT have as an Angel is the ability IN HEAVEN to procreate! ( Yes I went there lol).
The temptation to leave their "Heavenly estate" and Procreate with human women, was too great. Notice how Jude couples the SEXUAL SIN of Sodom, to the SEXUAL SIN of the fallen Angels:
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them IN A SIMILAR MANNER TO THESE, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
But I absolutely agree with you that the self-same lie, that you can be like god, is what tempts people away from Salvation through Jesus Christ.
I know there are quite the few here that highly offended with even the suggestion that fallen Angels mated with human women.
I'd say to them, it's not a Salvation issue, and I love you.
satan did not have satan to tempt him. Humans did. I think God recognizes this fact, and that is why He became a HUMAN, not a an angel, or nephilim, to die for OUR iniquity.
So now that I'm getting a little controversial, I'm going to throw out the possibility that satan may have been tempted BY humans. How? Why?
Most people believe satan was jealous of Adam's creation and election to rule over the world. While I think that's true, I'm going to submit there may be a far greater temptation, that he, and his followers miserably failed at, and is why they are reserved in judgement.
As an Angel you have unbelievable power, access to the Heavenly Father, eternal life in joy and bliss, but ONE thing you DO NOT have as an Angel is the ability IN HEAVEN to procreate! ( Yes I went there lol).
The temptation to leave their "Heavenly estate" and Procreate with human women, was too great. Notice how Jude couples the SEXUAL SIN of Sodom, to the SEXUAL SIN of the fallen Angels:
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them IN A SIMILAR MANNER TO THESE, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
But I absolutely agree with you that the self-same lie, that you can be like god, is what tempts people away from Salvation through Jesus Christ.
I know there are quite the few here that highly offended with even the suggestion that fallen Angels mated with human women.
I'd say to them, it's not a Salvation issue, and I love you.
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I snuck back in real quick on a break.
I only see that you are repeating what I said...
I think you are having a block to hearing what I've said and have not really heard me. Otherwise, I think you would agree with me since you said the same thing I just said.
It's very odd and I don't quite know how to respond when you are thinking what I said was something different than what you just said.
Did you read my entire post? I'm just...perplexed at what I should answer when you said the same thing I just said in my post...
If God says anyone who doesn't abide will be cut off, then He has told the truth. I don't have to change the definition of abide or of cut off. I just have to keep trusting Him that He will grow my faith so this doesn't happen to me...
I think your block at hearing that I said the same thing you just did is having more to do with the verse than with what I said...because if you will carefully read again what I said, I think you will see it is the same thing you have said...
Very perplexing...
I only see that you are repeating what I said...
I think you are having a block to hearing what I've said and have not really heard me. Otherwise, I think you would agree with me since you said the same thing I just said.
It's very odd and I don't quite know how to respond when you are thinking what I said was something different than what you just said.
Did you read my entire post? I'm just...perplexed at what I should answer when you said the same thing I just said in my post...
If God says anyone who doesn't abide will be cut off, then He has told the truth. I don't have to change the definition of abide or of cut off. I just have to keep trusting Him that He will grow my faith so this doesn't happen to me...
I think your block at hearing that I said the same thing you just did is having more to do with the verse than with what I said...because if you will carefully read again what I said, I think you will see it is the same thing you have said...
Very perplexing...
This is what I see you saying
1. God will not let you stop growing, he will continue to grow you, and make it so you can trust him more, he will finish what he started, no and's if's or but's about it.
2. But I can stop growing and trusting, and because of that I can fall away.
Can you see how I can not resolve the problem here? there two phrases contradict each other. That is what I am trying to see, why do you think both are true. or have I misunderstood you again?? lol
The promise of God
Romans 8:28-29
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
I have heard people say that God makes bad things that happen good.
Thats not what the above us saying.
Furthermore the don't go on to v29.
In our circumstances God will work good in them for our good, which is to conform us to the image of Christ.
Romans 8:28-29
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
I have heard people say that God makes bad things that happen good.
Thats not what the above us saying.
Furthermore the don't go on to v29.
In our circumstances God will work good in them for our good, which is to conform us to the image of Christ.
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apart from security in christ, and trying to help him understand that truth, How would one expect him to come back?
if we think about it, He committed the gravest of all sins, He has stopped trusting God. How can he ever think God will forgive him unless he knows God never stopped loving him, in spite of himself.
if we think about it, He committed the gravest of all sins, He has stopped trusting God. How can he ever think God will forgive him unless he knows God never stopped loving him, in spite of himself.
After I was born again and came to know Christ kneeling by my bed one night when I was a young teenager - I went to a Pentecostal church and I can certainly say that in that religion they did not believe in the eternal security of the believer and it caused a lot of trouble with people's minds.
I saw many people's faith ship-wrecked because of their doctrines.
Inside of me I knew something was drastically wrong but it all sounded so good. It had the "appearance of good" but there was no power other than human will-power being dispensed.
All works-based - works-righteousness religions in one form or other say that we will lose our salvation because it denies the very work of Christ and it changes it to be dependent on ourselves instead of the "revelation of Christ Himself".
They did however give "lip-service" to the Holy Spirit and to the grace of God in the Christians life and of course to Eph. 2:8-10 because how can you get around that scripture?
I'm not saying all Pentecostal churches were like this back in the 70's and 80's but the ones I visited sure were and I was in a few of them from the eastern parts of Canada down through to Texas.
They all gave the same message.
There were great people in there that loved the Lord.
I can also say without a doubt that there was no grace teaching and a warped view of the Father's love and grace for us.
The so-called word of faith in some circles had very little understanding of grace that I could see but I did agree with some of their beliefs - like healing and how the principle of faith works.
To me their focus was off in that they were trying to do things by what they did instead of resting in what Christ has already done. This they too were into works in a form.
They thought if they confessed it enough times - then it would come about. This is vastly different then confessing things because they are already true in Christ by His grace alone.
Once the Lord has revealed to me personally the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection I knew I couldn't go back to that religion again. The Lord said that the knowledge of the glory of Him will fill all the earth and that's exactly what He is doing now.
Let us have ears to hear Father and eyes to see!
I saw many people's faith ship-wrecked because of their doctrines.
Inside of me I knew something was drastically wrong but it all sounded so good. It had the "appearance of good" but there was no power other than human will-power being dispensed.
All works-based - works-righteousness religions in one form or other say that we will lose our salvation because it denies the very work of Christ and it changes it to be dependent on ourselves instead of the "revelation of Christ Himself".
They did however give "lip-service" to the Holy Spirit and to the grace of God in the Christians life and of course to Eph. 2:8-10 because how can you get around that scripture?
I'm not saying all Pentecostal churches were like this back in the 70's and 80's but the ones I visited sure were and I was in a few of them from the eastern parts of Canada down through to Texas.
They all gave the same message.
There were great people in there that loved the Lord.
I can also say without a doubt that there was no grace teaching and a warped view of the Father's love and grace for us.
The so-called word of faith in some circles had very little understanding of grace that I could see but I did agree with some of their beliefs - like healing and how the principle of faith works.
To me their focus was off in that they were trying to do things by what they did instead of resting in what Christ has already done. This they too were into works in a form.
They thought if they confessed it enough times - then it would come about. This is vastly different then confessing things because they are already true in Christ by His grace alone.
Once the Lord has revealed to me personally the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection I knew I couldn't go back to that religion again. The Lord said that the knowledge of the glory of Him will fill all the earth and that's exactly what He is doing now.
Let us have ears to hear Father and eyes to see!
Meggido's post on my screen is 30622.
Your's is 30858
You purposely went back over 200 posts to pick an argument?!?
After all that CRYIN' to say we need to settle down?!?
You're the Op, & you can't let it go!
OVER TWO HUNDRED POSTS!!!
EVERY ONE ELSE ALREADY FORGOT IT..... BUT NOT YOU.
You had to drag it back up to find another member to get banned.
It's not the first time you've done it, either.
I knew you couldn't stop. You don't have any intention to.
Your's is 30858
You purposely went back over 200 posts to pick an argument?!?
After all that CRYIN' to say we need to settle down?!?
You're the Op, & you can't let it go!
OVER TWO HUNDRED POSTS!!!
EVERY ONE ELSE ALREADY FORGOT IT..... BUT NOT YOU.
You had to drag it back up to find another member to get banned.
It's not the first time you've done it, either.
I knew you couldn't stop. You don't have any intention to.
Everybody else had not forgotten. You bear false witness.