How can you really really really know you are saved?
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Ok, thank you will look. Am only on the last page.
It is the will of God to believe on His Son. It is actually the sacrifice of Father to give His Son for ALL mankind.
Do you all believe this? If all is all...it's all. None should be lost.
Where's the problem? Jesus said not enough workers in the field.
It is the will of God to believe on His Son. It is actually the sacrifice of Father to give His Son for ALL mankind.
Do you all believe this? If all is all...it's all. None should be lost.
Where's the problem? Jesus said not enough workers in the field.
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i remember mentioning some kind of caveat about "understanding what He says"
i'm not arguing that such a person cannot receive the Lord's mercy, and i even hold hope that there are saved people among the mormons, if it is possible, and i know with God all things are. may He open their eyes, and keep them! but is what you're trying to say equivalently put here? what if someone believes scripture, but doesn't have love for his neighbor? what if someone believes 4 verses, but as soon as they look away, they don't believe 10 others?
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also when did this become about being assured of someone else's salvation?
i thought this was about being sure of your own . . ?
Now here is why I use the KJV
~Mat_7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat_11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Mat_12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Mat_18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
Mat_21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
Mat_26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Luk_10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
Luk_11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
Joh_5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
~Mat_7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat_11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Mat_12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Mat_18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
Mat_21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
Mat_26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Luk_10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
Luk_11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
Joh_5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Joh_6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh_14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Joh_17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Gal_1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
Heb_1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Rev_3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh_14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Joh_17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Gal_1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
Heb_1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Rev_3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
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i really dont wish to "beat around the bush"
but just 5 years ago i was a violent agnostic criminal
living in fornication
never having read the bible
and just around 3 years ago i actually started reading it if i remember right because my heart had been changed and maybe 4 years ago is when i KNEW Jesus was real and i couldnt go without learning more
and not even 1 year ago
around the time i finished the bible and started going back to things seeking truths i missed
is when other people started mentioning the change in me through my actions
i wont lie
sometimes i wonder about my salvation
but i know Jesus is the truth and the way
so i will continue pressing forward... God willing
and maybe
if my faith is in Him
he will save me
i believe he can
and i believe he will if my faith in him is true because the inspired scriptures say so...
but like most people
there are times when i see my performance...
where i do things that... are NOT of the Holy spirit
and in these times i wonder
then i remember that they call the enemy the accuser
and i think about spiritual warfare
hahaha
i didnt want to ramble man...
maybe im not the best example for assurance
....
but just 5 years ago i was a violent agnostic criminal
living in fornication
never having read the bible
and just around 3 years ago i actually started reading it if i remember right because my heart had been changed and maybe 4 years ago is when i KNEW Jesus was real and i couldnt go without learning more
and not even 1 year ago
around the time i finished the bible and started going back to things seeking truths i missed
is when other people started mentioning the change in me through my actions
i wont lie
sometimes i wonder about my salvation
but i know Jesus is the truth and the way
so i will continue pressing forward... God willing
and maybe
if my faith is in Him
he will save me
i believe he can
and i believe he will if my faith in him is true because the inspired scriptures say so...
but like most people
there are times when i see my performance...
where i do things that... are NOT of the Holy spirit
and in these times i wonder
then i remember that they call the enemy the accuser
and i think about spiritual warfare
hahaha
i didnt want to ramble man...
maybe im not the best example for assurance
....
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The op uses the word " know".
An orphan or a foster child has an identity issue. A belonging issue.
" where do I belong"
Do I belong to the devil or to God?
When I was a child,I had no "identity issue". I KNEW where I belonged.
The same with God.
Some here don't know. You can change that. Step into the family of God.
Cultivate an intimacy,a closeness,a soldoutness.
You feel his favor and his smile on your life and walk.
That is how you can know,without carrying a piece of paper around saying you are saved.
An orphan or a foster child has an identity issue. A belonging issue.
" where do I belong"
Do I belong to the devil or to God?
When I was a child,I had no "identity issue". I KNEW where I belonged.
The same with God.
Some here don't know. You can change that. Step into the family of God.
Cultivate an intimacy,a closeness,a soldoutness.
You feel his favor and his smile on your life and walk.
That is how you can know,without carrying a piece of paper around saying you are saved.
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Simple. That's not what Jesus said. True, if you ignore the 15 verses he said before that moment and don't finish reading what he said right after that, you can change what he said to that, but not really. It's a figment of the imagination.
For example, I can keep telling people that JFK told us to "ask not," but everyone who reads (or hears) what he really said will either chuckle or get frustrated with me for changing what he did say.
For example, I can keep telling people that JFK told us to "ask not," but everyone who reads (or hears) what he really said will either chuckle or get frustrated with me for changing what he did say.
Your quote:
"God gave His guarantee to "offer" grace to both Jews and gentiles. This verse speaks of God offering us His grace through faith. It is not speaking about assurance."
"Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all."
Please excuse me but I used a poor translation of Romans 4:16; there is no,
"an may be guaranteed," in the Greek text.
The original would read; "Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring." There is nothing in this passage that suggests an "offering" was made as you say. Not trying to argue your point just wanting to clarify this translation. I will be more selective in the future.
The phrase; "may be guaranteed" is not in the original Greek text, the NIV translation inserted "may be guaranteed"
Greek: βεβαίαν;transliteration, bebaios: meaning; guaranteed. Def; firm and secure.
HELPS Word-studies:
949 bébaios (an adjective, derived from bainō, "to walk where it is solid") – properly, solid (sure) enough to walk on; hence, firm, unshakable; (figuratively) absolutely dependable, giving guaranteed support (security, surety).
"God gave His guarantee to "offer" grace to both Jews and gentiles. This verse speaks of God offering us His grace through faith. It is not speaking about assurance."
"Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all."
Please excuse me but I used a poor translation of Romans 4:16; there is no,
"an may be guaranteed," in the Greek text.
The original would read; "Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring." There is nothing in this passage that suggests an "offering" was made as you say. Not trying to argue your point just wanting to clarify this translation. I will be more selective in the future.
The phrase; "may be guaranteed" is not in the original Greek text, the NIV translation inserted "may be guaranteed"
Greek: βεβαίαν;transliteration, bebaios: meaning; guaranteed. Def; firm and secure.
HELPS Word-studies:
949 bébaios (an adjective, derived from bainō, "to walk where it is solid") – properly, solid (sure) enough to walk on; hence, firm, unshakable; (figuratively) absolutely dependable, giving guaranteed support (security, surety).
Strong's Concordance:
bebaios: firm, secure
Original Word: βέβαιος, α, ονbebaios: firm, secure
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: bebaios
Phonetic Spelling: (beb'-ah-yos)
Short Definition: firm, steadfast, enduring
Definition: firm, steadfast, enduring, sure, certain.
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That's exactly the perfect answer. None of us are born again mature and eating meat. While we have had our spirit's lifed by Holy Spirit, our soul needs saved and our minds renewed. We are babes...drinking the milk. Then toddlers that fall when trying to walk but get back up again and keep trying. Then young men who have overcome the enemy...to fathers that can teach. Mature.
You are right on time. Never will be out of time.
You are right on time. Never will be out of time.
Hi heart of david..
This adoption is not quite like the adoptions that we are familiar with.
If I remember correctly, it is out of Roman court adoptions. I don't think it was the greek. What happens is there are two documents presented to the court. One is the name, the relatives, the whole of the persons identity is on the document. The second is the new identity, the name change, the adoptive parents, and the relatives.
The first is completely wiped out. The new identity is all that the adopted has.
This is our identity...in Christ. A new creation man/woman. Never lived before the new birth. Brand new man, and our relatives are all who are in Him. And our Father is God, our brother is Jesus, and our mother would be Holy Spirit for wisdom is seen as a woman.