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Jesus is like the Nehushtan, and if you recall Gods people were in error for worshipping it.

Because While it is understandable how an item which brought miraculous healing could become an object of worship, it was still blatant disobedience to God’s commands (Exodus 20:4–5). The bronze serpent was God’s method of deliverance during the incident recorded in Number 21
Nehushtan should be a powerful reminder to us all that even good things—and good people—can become idols in our lives. Our praise, worship, and adoration are to be directed to God alone. Nothing else, regardless of its amazing history, is worthy.
 

Dino246

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For context:

Numbers 21:4-8
[SUP]4 [/SUP]They traveled from Mount Hor along the route to the Red Sea,[SUP][c][/SUP] to go around Edom. But the people grew impatient on the way; [SUP]5 [/SUP]they spoke against God and against Moses, and said, “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? There is no bread! There is no water! And we detest this miserable food!”

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Then the Lord sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died. [SUP]7 [/SUP]The people came to Moses and said, “We sinned when we spoke against the Lord and against you. Pray that the Lord will take the snakes away from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” [SUP]9 [/SUP]So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.

2 Kings 18:4 He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called Nehushtan.)

John 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, (all NIV)
 

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Jesus is like the Nehushtan, and if you recall Gods people were in error for worshipping it.

Because While it is understandable how an item which brought miraculous healing could become an object of worship, it was still blatant disobedience to God’s commands (Exodus 20:4–5). The bronze serpent was God’s method of deliverance during the incident recorded in Number 21
Nehushtan should be a powerful reminder to us all that even good things—and good people—can become idols in our lives. Our praise, worship, and adoration are to be directed to God alone. Nothing else, regardless of its amazing history, is worthy.
Do you not believe that Jesus is God?
 

Nehemiah6

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Nehushtan should be a powerful reminder to us all that even good things—and good people—can become idols in our lives. Our praise, worship, and adoration are to be directed to God alone. Nothing else, regardless of its amazing history, is worthy.
You are quite correct. As long as the Brazen Serpent was a symbol of God's grace, and prefigured Christ on the Cross, lifted up, and to be gazed upon by faith, it was a source of healing. The minute that serpent became Nehushtan, and an idol to worshiped, that became a perversion and idolatry.

Since God was working in the midst of Israel throughout their history, the Brazen Serpent could have been a test -- would Israel worship the one and only true invisible God, or would Israel resort to idolatry? And of course their history ever since their departure from Egypt was a history of idolatrous worship.

Why is the serpent to be shunned and destroyed, Because it represents Satan himself. Indeed the Bible describes the Devil thus: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (Rev 12:9).

It is significant that snake worship pervaded the whole world, including ancient Mesopotamia, ancient Egypt, ancient Greece, ancient Rome, North America, Meso America, South America, India, China, Cambodia, Nepal, Korea, all of Africa, Haiti, Australia, etc. Satan has always coveted the worship which rightly belongs to God alone, and the day is coming when he will be worshiped worldwide (but only for a season). See Revelation 13.
 
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BECAUSE GOD SAID:

“Listen to me, you descendants of Jacob,
all the remnant of the people of Israel,
you whom I have upheld since your birth,
and have carried since you were born.
4 Even to your old age and gray hairs
I am he, I am he who will sustain you.
I have made you and I will carry you;
I will sustain you and I will rescue you.
5 “With whom will you compare me or count me equal?
To whom will you liken me that we may be compared?
6 Some pour out gold from their bags
and weigh out silver on the scales;
they hire a goldsmith to make it into a god,
and they bow down and worship it.
7 They lift it to their shoulders and carry it;
they set it up in its place, and there it stands.
From that spot it cannot move.
Even though someone cries out to it, it cannot answer;
it cannot save them from their troubles.
8 “Remember this, keep it in mind,
take it to heart, you rebels.
9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
10 I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’
11 From the east I summon a bird of prey;
from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose.
~Isaiah 46~
 

Locutus

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G'day love - I think ye are a wee bit confused - you ain't the first or the last..

John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

John 5:22 "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son

John 5:23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father.
He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
 
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G'day love - I think ye are a wee bit confused - you ain't the first or the last..

John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

John 5:22 "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son

John 5:23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father.
He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
How am I wrong?
 
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.Wow,I guess this is the new subject du jour here at CC. A lot of people calling themselves Christian that aren't.You cant be a Christian and not believe Jesus is God. People don't even know the fudimentals of their own faith. smh
 

Locutus

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Because Jesus is not only claiming equality with the Father he stating that to worship the son is to worship the Father, who NO "man" has seen or Will see.
 

Nehemiah6

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The Messiah/The Shepard
Of course Jesus is the Messiah as well as the Shepherd of His sheep. But that does not mean that He is NOT God. He is God the Son, or God manifest in the flesh (1 Tim 3:16), or God the Word (John 1:1; 1 John 5:7 KJV).
 
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.Wow,I guess this is the new subject du jour here at CC. A lot of people calling themselves Christian that aren't.You cant be a Christian and not believe Jesus is God. People don't even know the fudimentals of their own faith. smh
I know the fundamentals of my faith, do you remember the fundamentals of your faith?


Exodus 20:4
"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

Deuteronomy 5:8
'You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

Exodus 20:5
"You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

Deuteronomy 5:9
'You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

Isaiah 44:17
But the rest of it he makes into a god, his graven image He falls down before it and worships; he also prays to it and says, "Deliver me, for you are my god.

Psalm 106:38
And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and their daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with the blood.

Acts 7:41
"At that time they made a calf and brought a sacrifice to the idol, and were rejoicing in the works of their hands.

Deuteronomy 30:17
"But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them,

Psalm 81:9
"Let there be no strange god among you; Nor shall you worship any foreign god.

Exodus 23:13
"Now concerning everything which I have said to you, be on your guard; and do not mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard from your mouth.

Deuteronomy 8:19
"It shall come about if you ever forget the LORD your God and go after other gods and serve them and worship them, I testify against you today that you will surely perish.

Hosea 3:1
Then the LORD said to me, "Go again, love a woman who is loved by her husband, yet an adulteress, even as the LORD loves the sons of Israel, though they turn to other gods and love raisin cakes."

Deuteronomy 7:4
"For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD will be kindled against you and He will quickly destroy you.

Jeremiah 5:19
"It shall come about when they say, 'Why has the LORD our God done all these things to us?' then you shall say to them, 'As you have forsaken Me and served foreign gods in your land, so you will serve strangers in a land that is not yours.'

2 Kings 17:35
with whom the LORD made a covenant and commanded them, saying, "You shall not fear other gods, nor bow down yourselves to them nor serve them nor sacrifice to them.

Exodus 22:20
"He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the LORD alone, shall be utterly destroyed.

Psalm 106:19-20
They made a calf in Horeb And worshiped a molten image. Thus they exchanged their glory For the image of an ox that eats grass.

Colossians 2:18
Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,

Deuteronomy 4:19
"And beware not to lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.

Deuteronomy 17:3
and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded,

Matthew 4:9-10
and he said to Him, "All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me." Then Jesus said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.'"

Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk;

Ezekiel 14:3-4
"Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their hearts and have put right before their faces the stumbling block of their iniquity Should I be consulted by them at all? "Therefore speak to them and tell them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Any man of the house of Israel who sets up his idols in his heart, puts right before his face the stumbling block of his iniquity, and then comes to the prophet, I the LORD will be brought to give him an answer in the matter in view of the multitude of his idols,

Philippians 3:19
whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things.
 
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I know the fundamentals of my faith, do you remember the fundamentals of your faith?


Exodus 20:4
"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

Deuteronomy 5:8
'You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

Exodus 20:5
"You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

Deuteronomy 5:9
'You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

Isaiah 44:17
But the rest of it he makes into a god, his graven image He falls down before it and worships; he also prays to it and says, "Deliver me, for you are my god.

Psalm 106:38
And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and their daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with the blood.

Acts 7:41
"At that time they made a calf and brought a sacrifice to the idol, and were rejoicing in the works of their hands.

Deuteronomy 30:17
"But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them,

Psalm 81:9
"Let there be no strange god among you; Nor shall you worship any foreign god.

Exodus 23:13
"Now concerning everything which I have said to you, be on your guard; and do not mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard from your mouth.

Deuteronomy 8:19
"It shall come about if you ever forget the LORD your God and go after other gods and serve them and worship them, I testify against you today that you will surely perish.

Hosea 3:1
Then the LORD said to me, "Go again, love a woman who is loved by her husband, yet an adulteress, even as the LORD loves the sons of Israel, though they turn to other gods and love raisin cakes."

Deuteronomy 7:4
"For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD will be kindled against you and He will quickly destroy you.

Jeremiah 5:19
"It shall come about when they say, 'Why has the LORD our God done all these things to us?' then you shall say to them, 'As you have forsaken Me and served foreign gods in your land, so you will serve strangers in a land that is not yours.'

2 Kings 17:35
with whom the LORD made a covenant and commanded them, saying, "You shall not fear other gods, nor bow down yourselves to them nor serve them nor sacrifice to them.

Exodus 22:20
"He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the LORD alone, shall be utterly destroyed.

Psalm 106:19-20
They made a calf in Horeb And worshiped a molten image. Thus they exchanged their glory For the image of an ox that eats grass.

Colossians 2:18
Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,

Deuteronomy 4:19
"And beware not to lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.

Deuteronomy 17:3
and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded,

Matthew 4:9-10
and he said to Him, "All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me." Then Jesus said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.'"

Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk;

Ezekiel 14:3-4
"Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their hearts and have put right before their faces the stumbling block of their iniquity Should I be consulted by them at all? "Therefore speak to them and tell them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Any man of the house of Israel who sets up his idols in his heart, puts right before his face the stumbling block of his iniquity, and then comes to the prophet, I the LORD will be brought to give him an answer in the matter in view of the multitude of his idols,

Philippians 3:19
whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things.
as much as I appreciate you putting forth effort in quoting so many scriptures,you particularly don't fathom,Matthew chp. 4 9-10
"And saith unto him,all these things will I give thee,if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
"Then saith Jesus unti him,Get thee hence,Satan:for it is written,Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God,and him only shalt thou serve.
Jesus telling satan that he will not bow to him for he is God,also you have overlooked seemingly,a distinct and helpful part of the entire chapter of matthew chp.4 confusing things for yourself,Matthew Chp 4. verses 5-7
"Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city,and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,"
"And saith unto him,If thou be the Son of God,cast thyself down:for it is written,He shall give his angels charge concerning thee:and in their hands they shall bear thee up,lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone."
"Jesus said unto him,It is written again,Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."
referring to satan that he is God and won't be tempted by him even in a flesh form and showing his authority and wisdom evidently to satan.
 

valiant

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I know the fundamentals of my faith, do you remember the fundamentals of your faith?


Exodus 20:4
"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

Deuteronomy 5:8
'You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.

Exodus 20:5
"You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

Deuteronomy 5:9
'You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

Isaiah 44:17
But the rest of it he makes into a god, his graven image He falls down before it and worships; he also prays to it and says, "Deliver me, for you are my god.

Psalm 106:38
And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and their daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with the blood.

Acts 7:41
"At that time they made a calf and brought a sacrifice to the idol, and were rejoicing in the works of their hands.

Deuteronomy 30:17
"But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them,

Psalm 81:9
"Let there be no strange god among you; Nor shall you worship any foreign god.

Exodus 23:13
"Now concerning everything which I have said to you, be on your guard; and do not mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard from your mouth.

Deuteronomy 8:19
"It shall come about if you ever forget the LORD your God and go after other gods and serve them and worship them, I testify against you today that you will surely perish.

Hosea 3:1
Then the LORD said to me, "Go again, love a woman who is loved by her husband, yet an adulteress, even as the LORD loves the sons of Israel, though they turn to other gods and love raisin cakes."

Deuteronomy 7:4
"For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD will be kindled against you and He will quickly destroy you.

Jeremiah 5:19
"It shall come about when they say, 'Why has the LORD our God done all these things to us?' then you shall say to them, 'As you have forsaken Me and served foreign gods in your land, so you will serve strangers in a land that is not yours.'

2 Kings 17:35
with whom the LORD made a covenant and commanded them, saying, "You shall not fear other gods, nor bow down yourselves to them nor serve them nor sacrifice to them.

Exodus 22:20
"He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the LORD alone, shall be utterly destroyed.

Psalm 106:19-20
They made a calf in Horeb And worshiped a molten image. Thus they exchanged their glory For the image of an ox that eats grass.

Colossians 2:18
Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,

Deuteronomy 4:19
"And beware not to lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the LORD your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.

Deuteronomy 17:3
and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the heavenly host, which I have not commanded,

Matthew 4:9-10
and he said to Him, "All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me." Then Jesus said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.'"

Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk;

Ezekiel 14:3-4
"Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their hearts and have put right before their faces the stumbling block of their iniquity Should I be consulted by them at all? "Therefore speak to them and tell them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Any man of the house of Israel who sets up his idols in his heart, puts right before his face the stumbling block of his iniquity, and then comes to the prophet, I the LORD will be brought to give him an answer in the matter in view of the multitude of his idols,

Philippians 3:19
whose end is destruction, whose god is their appetite, and whose glory is in their shame, who set their minds on earthly things.
But do you?

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Acts 20:28[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Take heed to yourselves, and to all the flock, in the which the Holy Ghost has made you bishops, to feed the church of God, which[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] He purchased with his own blood.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Tit 2:13[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ; [/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]2Pe 1:1[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained a like precious faith with us in the righteousness of [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]our God and Saviour Jesus Christ:[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Rev 22:12-13[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to render to each man according as his work is. [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]I am [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]the Alpha and the Omega, [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]the first and the last, the beginning and the end. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif](Compare 1.8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty).[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Heb 1:8-9[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] but of the Son he says,[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Your throne, [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]O God[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif], is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of your kingdom. Y[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]ou have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Col 2.8-9 and not after Christ: [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] for in Him dwells [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]all the fulness of the Godhead bodily[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif],[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Php 2:5-11[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]who,[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] being in the form of God,[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] counted it not a prize to be on an equality with God, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; and being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, becoming obedient [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]even[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] to death, yea, the death of the cross. Wherefore also God highly exalted Him, and gave to Him [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]the name which is above every name[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]; that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]things[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] in heaven and [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]things[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] on earth and [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]things[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Lord[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif], to the glory of God the Father. [/FONT]
 

OneFaith

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Jesus is like the Nehushtan, and if you recall Gods people were in error for worshipping it.

Because While it is understandable how an item which brought miraculous healing could become an object of worship, it was still blatant disobedience to God’s commands (Exodus 20:4–5). The bronze serpent was God’s method of deliverance during the incident recorded in Number 21
Nehushtan should be a powerful reminder to us all that even good things—and good people—can become idols in our lives. Our praise, worship, and adoration are to be directed to God alone. Nothing else, regardless of its amazing history, is worthy.
It would be wrong to worship the snake statue that represented Christ, but it is not wrong to worship Christ because He is Deity (God) just as much as the Holy Spirit or the Father. The apostles worshipped Jesus in Matthew 28:17, and He did not correct them, because they were not wrong in doing so. "All the fullness of the Father is in the Son." That would include His God-ness.
 

oldhermit

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BECAUSE GOD SAID:

“Listen to me, you descendants of Jacob,
all the remnant of the people of Israel,
you whom I have upheld since your birth,
and have carried since you were born.
4 Even to your old age and gray hairs
I am he, I am he who will sustain you.
I have made you and I will carry you;
I will sustain you and I will rescue you.
5 “With whom will you compare me or count me equal?
To whom will you liken me that we may be compared?
6 Some pour out gold from their bags
and weigh out silver on the scales;
they hire a goldsmith to make it into a god,
and they bow down and worship it.
7 They lift it to their shoulders and carry it;
they set it up in its place, and there it stands.
From that spot it cannot move.
Even though someone cries out to it, it cannot answer;
it cannot save them from their troubles.
8 “Remember this, keep it in mind,
take it to heart, you rebels.
9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
10 I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’
11 From the east I summon a bird of prey;
from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose.
~Isaiah 46~
So from this you concluded that Jesus is not God. Wow, what a jump.
Do you not find it interesting that Jesus calls himself God and that the Father also called him God.
And do you not realize that Jesus is the God of the O T whom you just quoted?
 
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John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me