Does the Holy Spirit convict the born again believer of sin?

[loveme1]

It doesn't say that - it says this:

Hebrews 10:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

There is a vast difference between receiving the "knowledge" of the truth and "receiving the truth" which is Christ Himself.

Hebrews 10

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.


erm... really? These people were believers being told that if they were to sin wilfully there would be no more sacrifice for sins.


23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


Maybe the let us hold fast to the profession of our Faith helps identify them as believers.

These are to provoke each other unto good works...

It does not say if you unbelieve there is no more sacrifice it states if you sin willfully.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

So true! There are Christians who live like paupers when they are the Kings children. I did for years!!

right

so you will be sending money and Bibles to persecuted Christians in China? or possibly moving there to demonstrate the North American lifestyle and how much they are missing out on because they do not understand scripture like you do? or Prince does?

and eastern Europe?

tell the persecuted they lack faith

WOF is such a despicable me me me centered false teaching

do people not understand how much NT testament has to be ignored, twisted and glossed over to arrive at WOF teachings?

I am sure some will think I am rude...well of course...but this is a reality check. stay tuned. if they come to YOUR door to drag you out into the streets, will you wave your Bible and claim health and wealth or call on Abraham's blessing without the cost?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Hebrews 10

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.


erm... really? These people were believers being told that if they were to sin wilfully there would be no more sacrifice for sins.


23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


Maybe the let us hold fast to the profession of our Faith helps identify them as believers.

These are to provoke each other unto good works...

It does not say if you unbelieve there is no more sacrifice it states if you sin willfully.

and we are told we are 'jealous' of the one who promotes the false gospel and told he is a teacher

what did Paul say? something about dark stars and going into houses and seducing (spiritually) people?

I know what Jesus said but we are being told that He preached law and so it does not apply to us

these people would like to destroy the true gospel...and instead of the revelation of Christ Jesus, it will be the revelation of false NAR prophets or WOF teachers or Latter Rain or others of like kind

they preach peace when there is no peace. you begin to see why the OT prophets were preaching into the wind.

they seen to be still ignored by many even though the Israelites provided a excellent example of what happens when you turn your ear to false prophets who tell you what you want to hear

hey...it's all good

 

[loveme1]

right

so you will be sending money and Bibles to persecuted Christians in China? or possibly moving there to demonstrate the North American lifestyle and how much they are missing out on because they do not understand scripture like you do? or Prince does?

and eastern Europe?

tell the persecuted they lack faith

WOF is such a despicable me me me centered false teaching

do people not understand how much NT testament has to be ignored, twisted and glossed over to arrive at WOF teachings?

I am sure some will think I am rude...well of course...but this is a reality check. stay tuned. if they come to YOUR door to drag you out into the streets, will you wave your Bible and claim health and wealth or call on Abraham's blessing without the cost?

That is what it is all about...

I once thought GOD loved the rich people more.. thanks to some tv preaching.. One lady implied I don't want to wait for the riches in heaven I want some now as in money.. you bet an amen followed...

The Bible reveals the intent of the heart.

 

[joaniemarie]

It doesn't say that - it says this:

Hebrews 10:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

There is a vast difference between receiving the "knowledge" of the truth and "receiving the truth" which is Christ Himself.

There is also a difference between "tasting" and "drinking".

There is a difference between tasting and drinking......Jesus knew of this concept too..

Matthew 27:34 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.

Matthew 26:27-28 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you;

[SUP]28 [/SUP] for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

John 7:37-38 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP] In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

[SUP]38 [/SUP] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

John 4:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."

Good post! And what you said in the other post about Hebrews bears repeating too. The whole Bible is written FOR us., so all of it is to be read and seen and studied. BUT while the whole Bible is written FOR us to read and learn from., certain verses and sections were not written "to" us but to and for a specific person or persons.

Just as you shared in your post., to get that mixed up and take something for ourselves that is meant for the Jew and try to apply it under the new covenant is not rightly dividing the Word of Truth. And why so many Christians have put themselves back under the law.

 

[loveme1]

and we are told we are 'jealous' of the one who promotes the false gospel and told he is a teacher

what did Paul say? something about dark stars and going into houses and seducing (spiritually) people?

I know what Jesus said but we are being told that He preached law and so it does not apply to us

these people would like to destroy the true gospel...and instead of the revelation of Christ Jesus, it will be the revelation of false NAR prophets or WOF teachers or Latter Rain or others of like kind

they preach peace when there is no peace. you begin to see why the OT prophets were preaching into the wind.

they seen to be still ignored by many even though the Israelites provided a excellent example of what happens when you turn your ear to false prophets who tell you what you want to hear

hey...it's all good

Jealous.. sad more like.. but hey like you said those that scratch ears are always preferred... nothing new under the sun..

Let us hold fast.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The Bible reveals the intent of the heart.

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

how apropros

it's in Hebrews

 

[Grace777x70]

You are correct in saying that the entire Bible speaks truth to everyone who reads it.

Grace777X70 is correct in his belief that taking note of who an epistle is specifically addressed to can alert you to culturally unique problems that are being addressed.

I agree.

All scripture is written "for" us to learn and it is profitable but not all scripture is written "to" us.

When Jesus and John called the religious self-righteous Pharisees "Vipers and white washed tombs full of dead men's bones". We do not "apply" that to those beloved children of God that He has redeemed with His own blood.

It's important to see "who" is being addressed and "in what context" or we will be missing up the covenants and taking someone else's medicine.

Also without the illumination of the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ in the scriptures. We are as dependent on the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ in the scriptures to us as Mary was dependent on Him to conceive Jesus in her womb.

Without the revelation of Christ Himself to us by the Holy Spirit - our natural minds come up with all kinds of thoughts. His ways and thoughts are higher than our ways and thoughts.

His ways and thoughts are higher then our thoughts and ways as high as the stars are above the earth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It reads that we reject it by sinning willfully after receiving the Truth... then there is no more sacrifice for us but to be fearful of GOD..

You believe the sin is if we reject Christ? But these people have accepted Christ and are being urged not to sin but to be confident and receive reward.

So your sins are just mistakes?

I hate to say it, but all sin is willfull,

In fact, by what you and yours is suggesting, is that under grace we are under less stringent requirements than the law.

The law said if you commit one sin, no matter how smal, whether willFul or not. You were under a curse. So under the NT as long as it is not willful sin I guess it is ok? We can sin all we want?

who is the one promoting a sinful lifestyle here> It is not us, it is you all who are trying to earn salvation, ignoreing your own sin, while judge in gen everyone else.

 

[loveme1]

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

how apropros

it's in Hebrews

Quite fitting indeed.

Glory to Heavenly Father and the Messiah always and forever for bringing Truth to mind.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

the gospel of heaven is the gospel of JESUS

maybe you should listen to Him

the gospel of heaven is the revelation of JESUS

without Jesus, there is no gospel

Paul preaches the gospel of Jesus...not the gospel of Ellis or Prince of NAR or Johnson

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are correct in saying that the entire Bible speaks truth to everyone who reads it.

Grace777X70 is correct in his belief that taking note of who an epistle is specifically addressed to can alert you to culturally unique problems that are being addressed.

it is called proper hermeneutics. In historical perspective, Who is the letter written to and why.

The only time you would not use this is if doing it causes your belief to fall apart because your beliefs is wrong to begin with. So then you make things up, and take things out of context to maske youyr belief stand.

 

[loveme1]

So your sins are just mistakes?

I hate to say it, but all sin is willfull,

In fact, by what you and yours is suggesting, is that under grace we are under less stringent requirements than the law.

The law said if you commit one sin, no matter how smal, whether willFul or not. You were under a curse. So under the NT as long as it is not willful sin I guess it is ok? We can sin all we want?

who is the one promoting a sinful lifestyle here> It is not us, it is you all who are trying to earn salvation, ignoreing your own sin, while judge in gen everyone else.

Could someone else tell eg that I have not said what he claims I have said but believing and sharing Scripture... he is very presumptious... like putting things forward that I have not said.

Also tell Him there is a New Covenant and the one he speaks of is the Old...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The war continues, and these people call themselves children of God.

 

[Grace777x70]

Hebrews 10

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.


erm... really? These people were believers being told that if they were to sin wilfully there would be no more sacrifice for sins.


23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


Maybe the let us hold fast to the profession of our Faith helps identify them as believers.

These are to provoke each other unto good works...

It does not say if you unbelieve there is no more sacrifice it states if you sin willfully.

The wilful sinning talked about all through the book of Hebrews was the sin of unbelief staring in Heb 4.

Actually "in context" Heb. 4 12 is talking about the resting from our own works to rest in what He has done. It is all about unbelief.

Hebrews 4:6-12 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:


[SUP]7 [/SUP] Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

[SUP]9 [/SUP] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

[SUP]11 [/SUP] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

[SUP]12 [/SUP] For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


In context - Hebrews 4:12 is speaking about the "word of rest and unbelief" and the word of God will reveal the thoughts and intents of the heart concerning this truth.

But you are free in Christ to have your own interpretation on this.....Bless you!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Could someone else tell eg that I have not said what he claims I have said but believing and sharing Scripture... he is very presumptious... like putting things forward that I have not said.

Also tell Him there is a New Covenant and the one he speaks of is the Old...

he knows that

this is what they do

they twist and leave out or add to what is said

it is malice and not a very nice thing to do

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Could someone else tell eg that I have not said what he claims I have said but believing and sharing Scripture... he is very presumptious... like putting things forward that I have not said.

Also tell Him there is a New Covenant and the one he speaks of is the Old...

can someone tell love me that there is no other way to interpret what she said?

Hebrews spoke of the old covenant, and how the new was a much better covenant, so it is perfectly ok to bring the Old into the context of the book of hebrews.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

scripture tells us to provoke each other to 'good works' as has been posted from the book of Hebrews

some here just like to provoke LOL!

best to just ignore them and keep peace

 

[loveme1]

Thank you 7seas.. blessed are the peacemakers.

 

[stonesoffire]

You add so much to bring understanding that before long you will have written a whole new book to which we should use along side our Bible.

Might be wise then to read.