Does the Holy Spirit convict the born again believer of sin?

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MarcR

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Hebrews 10

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.


erm... really? These people were believers being told that if they were to sin wilfully there would be no more sacrifice for sins.


23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


Maybe the let us hold fast to the profession of our Faith helps identify them as believers.

These are to provoke each other unto good works...

It does not say if you unbelieve there is no more sacrifice it states if you sin willfully.


Hebrews is addressed to the Jewish congregations of the diaspora. It is written from a presumption that the readers are believers and a knowledge that many are not.

He 10:26 IMO is not addressed to believers; but rather to the Tares.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I know a passage in Hebrews that refutes th doctrine that says we do not suffer for the cause of Christ...and that is why some do not talk about Hebrews

Hebrews 5.7-10

[SUP]7 [/SUP]In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, [SUP]10 [/SUP]being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.

What does suffering have to do with eternal life and repenting?

Suffering is a part of Christian growth, not a part of gaining eternal life.
 
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he knows that

this is what they do

they twist and leave out or add to what is said

it is malice and not a very nice thing to do
And one of them just got reported for suggesting we are not children of God....I put up with a lot from him but that one crossed a line....
 
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Hebrews is addressed to the Jewish congregations of the diaspora. It is written from a presumption that the readers are believers and a knowledge that many are not.

He 10:26 IMO is not addressed to believers; but rather to the Tares.

I agree...especially when you read the whole letter to the Jewish listeners from the start to the point in Chapter 10.

Just for the record. You are not married to me or Joaniemarie or married to the many others that believe the very same thing. right?...

You would be quite the polygamist...lol
 
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stonesoffire

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Jesus "promised" us suffering. Paul also promised that we would be persecuted too.

2 Timothy 3:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

To live godly is to rely on Christ's righteousness and holiness for life and living which is by grace through faith and His life will manifest itself as "deeds of righteousness".

Paul also said this:

2 Timothy 2:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Suffer hardship with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus.


Peter said that we are not to suffer as an evil-doer but if we suffer because we are Christians that is pleasing to God.

1 Peter 2:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.

Favor
here is the Greek word for grace.
You know...I had an alcoholic husband when I was first born again. I was reading the bible at the kitchen table one afternoon when he came home from a binge. He saw me reading, grabbed my bible and yelled at me how can I know this is true...

I suffered much under that marriage. And even with family when first baptized in Spirit. But, in the end...all were saved.

Sufferings have a purpose. And they don't keep us under the sadness of the trials when joy comes in the morning. I don't even think too much about the past, if ever unless as a witness.
 

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Hebrews is addressed to the Jewish congregations of the diaspora. It is written from a presumption that the readers are believers and a knowledge that many are not.

He 10:26 IMO is not addressed to believers; but rather to the Tares.

So it was warning tares not to enter in and count the blood that sanctified them as unholy? Because if they sin wilfully after they would get more punishment.. is that what you mean?
 
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You know...I had an alcoholic husband when I was first born again. I was reading the bible at the kitchen table one afternoon when he came home from a binge. He saw me reading, grabbed my bible and yelled at me how can I know this is true...

I suffered much under that marriage. And even with family when first baptized in Spirit. But, in the end...all were saved.

Sufferings have a purpose. And they don't keep us under the sadness of the trials when joy comes in the morning. I don't even think too much about the past, if ever unless as a witness.
Amen...suffering brings out what is already inside us.

It's like refining silver or gold. The dross comes off to "reveal" the true substance of the metal that was there to begin with. Christ Himself is our true substance and life. We are a new creation in Him - created in righteousness and holiness.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Hebrews is addressed to the Jewish congregations of the diaspora. It is written from a presumption that the readers are believers and a knowledge that many are not.

He 10:26 IMO is not addressed to believers; but rather to the Tares.
it is included in the passage

as the original never had chapters and verses, why separate that verse from the rest?

it is a warning and underscores faith means continuing with your walk

is there some reason to think otherwise?

anything I have ever read or studied would disagree with you here

this thread has devolved into the usual arguements. nothing new
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Did anyone say that there is no suffering for Christ? We labor under false understanding until we come into the knowledge of truth. Of the complete salvation of Jesus Christ to the world, if the world just knew.

We are here for the understanding of what true grace means. Then will one be able to teach and be partners with Holy Spirit in giving the message of the victory of the Cross, and the resurrection life that we have access to now...freely.

False teaching is like throwing mud on new clean clothes.
they seem to be arguing WOF now. they once again have hijacked a thread and turned it into another battle zone, We are so far off topic, it is hard to understand what they are talking about now.

I think it may be time to get people involved before this gets too nasty again.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jesus "promised" us suffering. Paul also promised that we would be persecuted too.

2 Timothy 3:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

To live godly is to rely on Christ's righteousness and holiness for life and living which is by grace through faith and His life will manifest itself as "deeds of righteousness".

Paul also said this:

2 Timothy 2:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Suffer hardship with me, as a good soldier of Christ Jesus.


Peter said that we are not to suffer as an evil-doer but if we suffer because we are Christians that is pleasing to God.

1 Peter 2:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.

Favor
here is the Greek word for grace.
Come one G7, do not prove them wrong with facts of what you really believe, thats not fair!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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They are working their way to the gathering of the "plenteous" in number.....also identified as MANY...........


It would be fine if most of what they bring forth is or was truth, but it is not, and has been proven over and over,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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you crossed a line and have been reported....

Why thank you, You have crossed the line and have been reported also. so at least the mods will see what is going on here, and maybe another attack thread can once again be shut down.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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This thread is being reported to Oncefallen, I suggest the people being attacked just let the ones who are attacking attack, It has gotten out of hand, Time to move on..
 
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7seasrekeyed

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here's something from a commentary regarding Hebrews 10:26...I can find many such that agree with my position

so if this boils down to a matter of opinion, I will go with the larger agreement and the interpretation that has been held in conjunction with the rest of the passage

it makes far more sense to conclude the Jewish congregation is being warned against returning to a system then it does to state that verse is an exception



Barnes's Commentary on Hebrews 10 :26

For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth - If after we are converted and become true Christians we should apostatize, it would be impossible to be recovered again, for there would be no other sacrifice for sin; no way by which we could be saved. This passage, however, like Hebrews 6:4-6, has given rise to much difference of opinion. But that the above is the correct interpretation, seems evident to me from the following considerations:

(1) It is the natural and obvious interpretation, such as would occur probably to ninety-nine readers in a hundred, if there were no theory to support, and no fear that it would conflict with some other doctrine.

(2) it accords with the scope of the Epistle, which is, to keep those whom the apostle addressed from returning again to the Jewish religion, under the trials to which they were subjected.


(3) it is in accordance with the fair meaning of the language - the words "after that we have received the knowledge of the truth," referring more naturally to true conversion than to any other state of mind.

(4) the sentiment would not be correct if it referred to any but real Christians. It would not be true that one who had been somewhat enlightened, and who then sinned "wilfully," must look on fearfully to the judgment without a possibility of being saved. There are multitudes of cases where such persons are saved. They "wilfully" resist the Holy Spirit; they strive against him; they for a long time refuse to yield, but they are brought again to reflection, and are led to give their hearts to God.

(5) it is true, and always will be true, that if a sincere Christian should apostatize he could never be converted again; see the notes on Hebrews 6:4-6. The reasons are obvious. He would have tried the only plan of salvation, and it would have failed. He would have embraced the Saviour, and there would not have been efficacy enough in his blood to keep him, and there would be no more powerful Saviour and no more efficacious blood of atonement. He would have renounced the Holy Spirit, and would have shown that his influences were not effectual to keep him, and there would be no other agent of greater power to renew and save him after he had apostatized. For these reasons it seems clear to me that this passage refers to true Christians, and that the doctrine here taught is, that if such an one should apostatize, he must look forward only to the terrors of the judgment, and to final condemnation.
 
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This thread is being reported to Oncefallen, I suggest the people being attacked just let the ones who are attacking attack, It has gotten out of hand, Time to move on..
Nobody here but you questioned the salvation of others....
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I have never, ever questioned someone's salvation...

nor I

but for some reason, certain people here seem to think they have freedom to do so

I do believe that to be against the TOS and I just really appreciate the me and them mindset that generates and underscores